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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    This isn't true. It's a bullshit claim that the GOP are repeating because they've got no actual facts on their side here. Not only is it bullshit that the form was changed but it turns out the whistleblower did indeed have first hand information. And we know this because the trump-appointed IG just came out and said so:

    https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1178797071517786112


    https://twitter.com/kpoulsen/status/1177734528833445888
    Yeah, about that...

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Docum...Complaints.pdf

    Shot
    In order to find an urgent concern “credible,” the IC IG must be in
    possession of reliable, first-hand information. The IC IG cannot transmit
    information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second-hand
    knowledge of wrongdoing. This includes information received from
    another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/she
    witnessed some type of wrongdoing. (Anyone with first-hand knowledge
    of the allegations may file a disclosure in writing directly with the IC IG.)
    Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide
    sufficient basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you
    think wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than secondhand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the
    complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA.


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    The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is
    the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before
    Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
    Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the
    Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether
    the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging
    the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant
    – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect
    to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand
    information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The
    ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since
    Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
    Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a
    whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.
    The Complainant on the form he or she submitted on August 12, 2019 in fact checked two
    relevant boxes: The first box stated that, “I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or
    records involved”; and the second box stated that, “Other employees have told me about events or
    records involved.”
    As part of his determination that the urgent concern appeared credible, the Inspector
    General of the Intelligence Community determined that the Complainant had official and
    authorized access to the information and sources referenced in the Complainant’s Letter and
    Classified Appendix, including direct knowledge of certain alleged conduct, and that the
    Complainant has subject matter expertise related to much of the material information provided in
    the Complainant’s Letter and Classified Appendix. In short, the ICIG did not find that the
    Complainant could “provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions,” which
    would have made it much harder, and significantly less likely, for the Inspector General to
    determine in a 14-calendar day review period that the complaint “appeared credible,” as required
    by statute. Therefore, although the Complainant’s Letter acknowledged that the Complainant was
    not a direct witness to the President’s July 25, 2019, telephone call with the Ukrainian President
    ,
    the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community determined that other information obtained
    during the ICIG’s preliminary review supported the Complainant’s allegations.




    Thanks for playing
    Hang on Lyle. Your original claim was that the form whistleblowers fill out was changed a few days before the whistleblower made his complaint to allow second hand information. The intelligence community IG has come out publicly and said a. the form wasn't changed, secnd hand information has always been allowed and b. the whistleblower had first hand information. So your original claim is completely wrong. What part of this don't you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Hang on Lyle. Your original claim was that the form whistleblowers fill out was changed a few days before the whistleblower made his complaint to allow second hand information. The intelligence community IG has come out publicly and said a. the form wasn't changed, secnd hand information has always been allowed and b. the whistleblower had first hand information. So your original claim is completely wrong. What part of this don't you understand?


    I didn't say what the Whistleblower filled out changed the RULES & GUIDELINES regarding Whistleblower information were changed....does that not strike you as odd?

    At the time the Complainant filed the Disclosure of Urgent Concern form with the ICIG
    on August 12, 2019, the ICIG followed its routine practice and provided the Complainant
    information, including “Background Information on ICWPA Process,” which included the
    following language:
    In order to find an urgent concern “credible,” the IC IG must be in
    possession of reliable, first-hand information. The IC IG cannot transmit
    information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second-hand
    knowledge of wrongdoing. This includes information received from
    another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/she
    witnessed some type of wrongdoing. (Anyone with first-hand knowledge
    of the allegations may file a disclosure in writing directly with the IC IG.)
    Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide
    sufficient basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you
    think wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than secondhand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the
    complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA.
    The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is
    the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before
    Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
    Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the
    Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether
    the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging
    the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant
    – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect
    to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand
    information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The
    ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since
    Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
    Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a
    whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.



    So again that's 0.00 First-Hand information that this "whistleblower" provided but whatever you're free to keep hoping and dreaming.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27...wer-knowledge/
    Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

    Yyyyeah because that ain't sketchy as shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Sir with all due respect I think you are beating a dead horse. Everybody knows that the talking points from 2015 and every single day since then until today have been very clear to demonize the US Pres. You are trying too hard to prove it two people who are brainwashed
    Yes because of course the U.S President would know nothing of consistently demonizing others. I often find the truly brainwashed to be those who swallow the swill as quickly as it's shoveled without uttering a single differing opinion and stance on principal and policy of elected Government officials.

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    Why have no Trump supporters mentioned Donald Trump discussing shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down? or his idea of electrifying the border wall and fortifying it with spikes, and deterring migrants with a moat stocked with snakes or alligators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Why have no Trump supporters mentioned Donald Trump discussing shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down? or his idea of electrifying the border wall and fortifying it with spikes, and deterring migrants with a moat stocked with snakes or alligators?

    That's not important

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Make no mistake this Impeachment Inquiry which will hold place in the Intelligence Committee instead of there being a simple floor vote to start the impeachment process and that SHOULD tell the folks like Kirkland and Master and Spicoli and whoever else just assumes Trump is guilty that the Democrats have absolutely nothing and they are attempting to infer Trump's guilt to the American people and drag this shit out until it's time to vote in 2020 and they're placing all of their bets on 'Trump will lose because people think he's evil and corrupt and horrible' and I really do relish bringing you this news.....

    $125 million raised in the third quarter for Trump tells of a decidedly different reality for most people. 50,000 new donors in two days and all Kirkland will say is "They're probably just Russians"



    The truth will eventually come out and it's not going to be very good for the Democrats, not at all.....they could have and should have just charged Hillary but nope they bent the rules, they thought they could get away with it, and they just kept lying and lying and lying and now we're hopefully, finally, at the very last bit of a thread of a chance they have to cover everything up and if they fail, hell even if they succeed and Trump is impeached, (but obviously not removed 2/3rds is never happening in the Senate) then the tide will turn and those Democrats can run, but they can't hide, they will get demolished and not just in elections.
    Must have missed where I stated I'm not in favor of impeachment. Before and after. No one knows what will come here, you me or the shadow. The GOP defense is deafening is you listen closely. Crickets save for the standard rantings of Nunez Inc. A few have actually found that their boys have dropped and they're standing up. Ever so sloooowly. The man sought political favors from a Foreign country to interfere in a U.S election. Period. This is beyond 'ohhh that A hole Trump he's a meany'. That was a convenience for him but that ship has sailed. He's snorkeling in the swamp now. Trump is best at walking into punches and it's how he finds himself constantly fighting backwards and making very little actual progress in thought out sound policy. He is always going backwards. Just as sending Barr as his personal errand boy to whitewash Russian interference and yet again knee cap law enforcement and his Intelligence agencies. He's a demo guy, and he's great at tearing things down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Why have no Trump supporters mentioned Donald Trump discussing shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down? or his idea of electrifying the border wall and fortifying it with spikes, and deterring migrants with a moat stocked with snakes or alligators?

    Saw that yesterday that read like an onion article. Sounds a bit far fetched, Then again it would keep in line with the resurgent swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Trump extorted the Ukrainian pm. After he personally blocked three hundred and fifty million dollars of military aid to Ukraine that had been approved by congress, the Pentagon and State Department Trump told the Ukrainian pm he had to fabricate an investigation against Joe Biden if he wanted access to American weapons. We know this because Trump released the transcript of the phone call. This is illegal Lyle and was done secretly, ignoring the correct protocols such as the treaty you mention. What part of this don't you understand?


    The FBI didn't charge Hillary with anything Lyle. She didn't break any laws. She didn't destroy any evidence after it was subpoenaed.

    It comes as no surprise that you have no idea about the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation. It's laid out in black and white in a couple of sentences in that link and you still can't get it.

    Flynn and Papadopoulos both are on tape lying to the FBI and both admitted their guilt. Exactly how are they going to produce evidence exculpating them? Have you got this from the same batshit sources you got that list of your previous batshit claims from?

    For the Russians to be indicted the evidence had to be produced by the Mueller team to the Trump DOJ who then go through every word and document to make sure it holds up. Or maybe there's a gigantic conspiracy between the Mueller team and Trump's handpicked DOJ staff. You would think instead of Barr currently flying round the world to try and get foreign intelligence agencies to give him information discrediting the Mueller investigation he's simply expose their trumped up charges against the Russians. But he can't do that because there exists evidence beyond reasonable doubt that the Russians hacked the Democrats and stole the information that ended up with Wikileaks.
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    Ah I see you buy into the Adam Schiff version of things. Trump didn't and wouldn't have had to ask the Ukrainian PM to "fabricate" anything about Joe Biden and his son and the prosecutor investigating Burisma. What WAS fabricated is Schiff's talking points that you're buying whole cloth.

    Point out where it violates the treaty won't you?

    Yeah that's the problem, they didn't charge her AFTER James Comey read aloud most of the crimes she committed and then pulled the "oh but she didn't INTEND to break the law" yeah how's about YOU try that one if you get in trouble and tell me how it works for you.

    If everything is as you say then I guess you've got 0 to worry about then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    And this is all just disproved nonsense that has already been explained to you but has fallen off your teeny tiny little shelf. An example:

    https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/9305...118208/video/1
    No I remember you bringing up Shep and endorsed by Media Matters as well....did you save that link just for me?




    What is this obsession with you and shelving? Is that what is happening to your posts when they turn out like his
    T

    ....instead of like "This"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Why have no Trump supporters mentioned Donald Trump discussing shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down? or his idea of electrifying the border wall and fortifying it with spikes, and deterring migrants with a moat stocked with snakes or alligators?

    A migrant is someone who follows due procedure to enter a country legally and I don't think anyone has a problem with measured, controlled and legal migration.

    I think you confuse the word migrant with criminal illegal immigrant.
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    You're so what happened this week,Romanian thugs at least 75 Romanian gang and Romanian migrant gangs arrested after burglarizing 100 people's homes just like MS-13 and the Latin Kings across the pond maybe some of these criminals should be shot in the legs on their way illegally across our borders. How many dinghy's are really bringing migrants, wasn't the 40 years of Commonwealth migration enough?

    19, 841 Romanian gang members arrested last year alone. what is wrong with mulch filled with alligators and being shot in the legs in these situations? Let somebody make a sane argument against it

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...cially-dead%2F


    Well I have officially died laughing RIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    You're so what happened this week,Romanian thugs at least 75 Romanian gang and Romanian migrant gangs arrested after burglarizing 100 people's homes just like MS-13 and the Latin Kings across the pond maybe some of these criminals should be shot in the legs on their way illegally across our borders. How many dinghy's are really bringing migrants, wasn't the 40 years of Commonwealth migration enough?

    19, 841 Romanian gang members arrested last year alone. what is wrong with mulch filled with alligators and being shot in the legs in these situations? Let somebody make a sane argument against it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    You're so what happened this week,Romanian thugs at least 75 Romanian gang and Romanian migrant gangs arrested after burglarizing 100 people's homes just like MS-13 and the Latin Kings across the pond maybe some of these criminals should be shot in the legs on their way illegally across our borders. How many dinghy's are really bringing migrants, wasn't the 40 years of Commonwealth migration enough?

    19, 841 Romanian gang members arrested last year alone. what is wrong with mulch filled with alligators and being shot in the legs in these situations? Let somebody make a sane argument against it
    Fuck off Brock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    You're so what happened this week,Romanian thugs at least 75 Romanian gang and Romanian migrant gangs arrested after burglarizing 100 people's homes just like MS-13 and the Latin Kings across the pond maybe some of these criminals should be shot in the legs on their way illegally across our borders. How many dinghy's are really bringing migrants, wasn't the 40 years of Commonwealth migration enough?

    19, 841 Romanian gang members arrested last year alone. what is wrong with mulch filled with alligators and being shot in the legs in these situations? Let somebody make a sane argument against it
    Fuck off Brock
    Maybe make sure of things than blame others like a cop, twice now thanks. Bilbo-Baal-Brock-Frodo-et al
    He gets a touch paranoid. Don't mention any local restaurants in his area. 😎
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Must have missed where I stated I'm not in favor of impeachment. Before and after. No one knows what will come here, you me or the shadow. The GOP defense is deafening is you listen closely. Crickets save for the standard rantings of Nunez Inc. A few have actually found that their boys have dropped and they're standing up. Ever so sloooowly. The man sought political favors from a Foreign country to interfere in a U.S election. Period. This is beyond 'ohhh that A hole Trump he's a meany'. That was a convenience for him but that ship has sailed. He's snorkeling in the swamp now. Trump is best at walking into punches and it's how he finds himself constantly fighting backwards and making very little actual progress in thought out sound policy. He is always going backwards. Just as sending Barr as his personal errand boy to whitewash Russian interference and yet again knee cap law enforcement and his Intelligence agencies. He's a demo guy, and he's great at tearing things down.
    I guess I must have. My point was that this is an impeachment INQUIRY and they've chosen to do that for a reason. Either they think that an up or down vote on impeachment wouldn't pass the House OR what is more likely, they believe they can drag this out AND slime Trump with all these accusations which some people are eating up.

    I've got an idea on what will happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli
    The man sought political favors from a Foreign country to interfere in a U.S election. Period.
    Do you not understand how ironic that accusation is? Especially coming from someone like Adam Schiff.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli
    sending Barr as his personal errand boy to whitewash Russian interference
    Please do expound on this

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli
    yet again knee cap law enforcement and his Intelligence agencies.
    If those agencies are/were corrupt, then by all means kneecap away! And HELL YES those agencies, especially the FBI are/were corrupt! Right down to the names given to the cases Hillary's emails/server "Midyear Exam" and Trump-Russia Collusion "Crossfire Hurricane" and then down to the individual agents in charge of those investigations "God Trump is a loathsome human", "He's not going to become president is he?" response "No he's not, we'll stop him", "Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support....”


    There's a great deal the mainstream media ISN'T telling you Spicoli and unless you make the effort to get even a glimpse of the other side of things there's going to be a lot that you're not going to hear about.



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