Today in Trump

[Gandalf]

Miles you have every right to disagree with whatever you want about Trump I fully respect that.

I am from New York City and Donald Trump is from New York City and I have set for the beginning that we people from New York City have a very odd take on existence and reality and we just shoot from the hip and do stuff like that knowing that it's always going to come out great in the end. Let's say that it's the opposite of getting out the violins and being anal retentive and worrying too much about stuff and making mountains out of molehills.

It's pure refreshment and joy for me to watch this unfold.

There is no making mountains out of molehills with the obsession with Saudi Arabia and Israel. If you are against terrorism, then you have to moderate your views when it comes to extremist nations like these. Then there is bombing a country based on zero evidence. Then there is giving people who do not need a tax cut a tax cut. These are not the kinds of policies I could ever endorse. However, in saying that, it is the nature of the beast that there is never going to be anyone I can actively support. Someone like Ron Paul fair enough, but Trump? I can give him a chance, but there is a lot that really isn't for me. In saying that I think domestic politics is your business. It is when it turns on the world that I have a problem. I also do not give Trump full credit for NK. That was equally China, the South and NK too. Funnily enough the US is hassling NK as we speak. It is the height of hypocrisy that a nation as armed as your own demand the complete stripping of any defensive capabilities another sovereign country might have. Personally I would say no and seek closer ties with other nations. We all know what happened to Libya.

[brocktonblockbust]

There is no making mountains out of molehills with the obsession with Saudi Arabia and Israel. If you are against terrorism, then you have to moderate your views when it comes to extremist nations like these.

***When I said mountains out of molehills I was talking about who cares if:

1. he said he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and not lose any fans.

2. He had an affair with a pornstar.

3. You paid off a pornstar in a deal.

4. He calls people names in a very funny way which I really really love.

5. He doesn't give Jack Shit about the Paris Accord or the Iran deal or NAFTA or the trans-pacific partnership.

6. If he made a joke and said that one day maybe the United States can do like China and elect a president for life.

7. Etc etc etc


To me those are all completely inconsequential but get the violins get the violins get the violins the left-wing libtards think that means he is literally Adolf Hitler.
******

Then there is bombing a country based on zero evidence.

*****You and I certainly have no evidence but I guarantee they do*****


Then there is giving people who do not need a tax cut a tax cut.

*****My wife and I received a standard deduction increase from $12,000 last year to $21,400 this year and thanks to Donald Trump we paid no federal taxes and even got a small refund. Miles that is all I care about it sure helped out a lot of people in our income bracket!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO DONALD TRUMP RULES!!!!!!!*******


These are not the kinds of policies I could ever endorse. However, in saying that, it is the nature of the beast that there is never going to be anyone I can actively support. Someone like Ron Paul fair enough, but Trump? I can give him a chance, but there is a lot that really isn't for me. In saying that I think domestic politics is your business. It is when it turns on the world that I have a problem.

****I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORLD TRUMP IS DEFINITELY MORE HAMSTRUNG TRUMP IS DEFINITELY MORE HOGTIED TRUMP IS DEFINITELY MORE HANDCUFFED BASED ON THE ACTORS THE MULTITRILLION-DOLLAR ACTORS WHO PULL THE STRINGS OF PLANET EARTH******

[Spicoli]

Believe I just watched his Treasury secretary drop Israel, what a terrible deal they just killed and Military bases in Iran all in the same sentence. So how long until we go in? Personally I'm still waiting on this grand repeal of shitty Obamacare. What I've come to think is that Trump is masterful at undoing policies of former Administrations but still waiting on more substantive plans to replace them. Looks like I'm still having any refund confiscated by The Man as a penalty this year and possibly next. And my standard deduction was exactly the same? Could be just a case of wonder-Trumpcare not going into place until next year?

[Beanz]

Ha! Where is the big unanswered question Cleetus?

In the meantime here is a multiple choice one for you. Currently are you

1. RED

2. TRUMP ORANGE FACTOR 99

3.ALEX ' INFOWORMS ARSE CLENCHING BLOOD BOILING' JONES, FURIOUS FUSCHIA

?

In good faith I have listed them here for your response to them...
1. What "asinine proclamations"(your words) have Donald Trump and Jordan Peterson made?

2. Would you like me to respond to your post

Lyle it's right on point. Like your fucking idiot of a president you just repeat any bollocks to try and appear clever and informed but it just reveal your typical snake oil salesman swamp politician persona. You try and pretend that London is eclipsed by New Yorks murder rate by failing to mention that while for one month it was higher for the first time in history, over a year New York is twice or thee times higher. Trump did the same thing by slagging off the hospital in London and purposefully leaving out any mention of guns. He is such a low life he will use young people's lives for political point scoring at the NRA conference. He will pretend to be concerned with victims of killing sprees and then suck up to people insisting that God would be so stupid to give humans the right to own guns. Because like you it's all business. Fuck morals or principles or consistency or honesty, all that matters is being successful and winning, on twitter or Saddo, or in business, making loads of money is the zenith.

or do you just want to go on preaching?


It's only two questions, but I would like answers from you rather than you deflecting or delaying or going on yet another unhinged rant. Play like a troll and you'll be treated like one....you don't want that and I don't want to do that. If you want to have a discussion like the adult you claim to be then have at it, but if you're going to play stupid games you will win stupid prizes.

Have you actually read any of my posts here or are you just trolling again ?


just a couple days ago

"Your Second Amendment rights are under siege, but they will never, ever be under siege as long as I'm your president." I mean I could go on but back to question one and Peterson


Asinine Proclamations

Asinine – Stupid,foolish, idiotic, fatuous, non-sensiscal, childish, infantile, etc

Proclamation – A Public, Official, Formal Announcement



JORDAN PETERSON

“The idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory. “

"Frozen served a political purpose: to demonstrate that a woman did not need a man to be successful. Anything written to serve a political purpose (rather than to explore and create) is propaganda, not art. Frozen was propaganda, pure and simple. Beauty and the Beast (the animated version) was not."

“Human emissions of carbon dioxide have saved life on Earth from inevitable starvation & extinction due to C02 “

“Look for your inspiration to the victorious lobster.”

“So, as I said already, women’s studies, and all the ethnic studies and racial studies groups, man, those things have to go and the faster they go the better. It would have been better had they never been part of the university to begin with as far as I can tell. Sociology, that’s corrupt. Anthropology, that’s corrupt. English literature, that’s corrupt. Maybe the worse offenders are the faculties of education. [...] I learned that law has actually become corrupt as well. “

This from somebody who pretends that he is all about free speech when what he really wants to do is censor everything he does not agree with

“I have absolutely no regrets about going after the postmodern neo-Marxists as hard as I possibly can and I am certainly not done doing so. So, one of the thing that is going to happen, for example, in the next month or so, I have been working with a programmer who has volunteered his services and has already produced this, he has produced a website that enables people to enter text that will then classify the text as postmodern or non-postmodern and so you will be able to enter a course descriptions from universities – the course description, the professor’s name, the discipline, and the university. It will tell you the degree to which the description is postmodern and then you can decide for yourself whether you want to take that and become a social justice warrior, if that is what you think your education should be about, or if you should avoid that like the plague that it truly is … I’d like to knock enrollment in the postmodern disciplines down by 75% over the next five years. I think that I am thinking about it from the perspective of nonviolent warfare, it is that serious to me and that this would be equivalent to cutting off the supply chain. It is like the postmodernists need a continual influx of young impressionable minds in order to continue their propagandistic and society devouring efforts and I am going to do absolutely everything I can to cut that supply chain off at the source.”

Everyone that does not agree with him is dismissed as a post modernist who does not believe in logic. Like Ayn Rand he presents himself as the final word on rationality if you don't agree with him you are irrational. It's why he does not have to defend his incredibly weak pseudo science. Of course the Alt -right love him because they hate the same people, they too want to make themselves incredibly rich off the gullibility of others. The dollar is the bottom line.


He doesn't really believe in anything but selling merch and loving the smell of his own farts. The whole Myth thing and Jung are a staple part of arts and anthropology and everything he dismisses. He is so fucking willfully ignorant because he thinks again directly against what he preaches, and boy does he preach, that he is an expert in everything. He knows fuck all about an awful lot but so do those Proud Boys who subscribe to him.


He presents himself as the savior of the Western World as though the whole of academia are wrong and he is somehow the lone voice of reason. He does not even have a rudimentary understanding of philosophy much like Molyneux. He presents himself as an Alpha male father figure so Miles is drawn to him but actually he is clearly afraid of women. He pretends to embrace Nietzsche but then ignores Nietzsche on Christianity. He is therefore the embodiment of his own definition of a cherry picking post -modern mutha fucker

"People often ask me if I believe in God. I don’t like that question. First of all, it’s an attempt to box me in, in a sense. The reason it’s an attempt to box me in is because the question is asked so I can be firmly placed on one side of a binary argument. The reason I don’t like to answer it is, (a) I don’t like to be boxed in, and (b) because I don’t know what the person means by ‘believe’ or ‘God’. And they think they know. And the probability that they construe ‘belief’ and construe ‘God’ the same way I do is virtually zero. "

2. You can do what you like Lyle. I will unlike you not neg rep you asking for you not to comment unless I deem your reply to be worthy

[Beanz]

TRUMP

"The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA-infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great - but must suffer the consequences!"
Twitter, 2/9/14

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
Twitter, 6/10/12

"The concept of shaking hands is absolutely terrible, and statistically I've been proven right."
Playboy, October 2004

“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.”
New York Post, 2011

[Gandalf]

Who on earth is afraid of women? You don't half spout a lot of nonsense. Typical lefty nonsense: misogynist, racist, xenophobe, bigot, whine, whine, whine. You are obsessed with people who advocate personal responsibility and doing the right thing and yet have NOTHING to say about people all around the world who are making terrible decisions and damaging people all over the place. You are ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. You make people root against you and then wonder why Labour will never get into power. You alienate and destroy any chance at change as you are the divisive one. You refuse to acknowledge or countenance that any of us might have a valid point on anything.

[brocktonblockbust]

@Beanz I find absolutely nothing wrong with any of those Trump quotes that you have posted above. I find absolutely nothing distasteful about anything about them. I find absolutely nothing dangerous about any of those quotes

If you are offended by any of those quotes then you are the delicate one so please get the violins get the violins get the violins

[El Kabong]

Have you actually read any of my posts here or are you just trolling again ?

I actually always read your entire posts....it's how I know that there's nothing in those posts of note and that is why I ask questions of you.

"Your Second Amendment rights are under siege, but they will never, ever be under siege as long as I'm your president."

Well Hillary Clinton wanted to implement Australia's style of gun control in the United States so actually yes that statement is a fact regardless of your political leaning.

“The idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory. “

"Frozen served a political purpose: to demonstrate that a woman did not need a man to be successful. Anything written to serve a political purpose (rather than to explore and create) is propaganda, not art. Frozen was propaganda, pure and simple. Beauty and the Beast (the animated version) was not."

“Human emissions of carbon dioxide have saved life on Earth from inevitable starvation & extinction due to C02 “

“Look for your inspiration to the victorious lobster.”

“So, as I said already, women’s studies, and all the ethnic studies and racial studies groups, man, those things have to go and the faster they go the better. It would have been better had they never been part of the university to begin with as far as I can tell. Sociology, that’s corrupt. Anthropology, that’s corrupt. English literature, that’s corrupt. Maybe the worse offenders are the faculties of education. [...] I learned that law has actually become corrupt as well. “

1. Is presented without context at all and I can find nothing with it in context. I'd delve deeper before passing judgement on that comment.

2. Hollywood produces propaganda to push a political agenda that is indisputable. Producers, directors, executives, they know what they are doing and have admitted as much.

3. Again this is without context and I'm unable to find it in context but plants feed on CO2 animals feed on plants, he's not far off.

4. Yeah that's out of context and on it's own LOL very silly, but in context it's noteworthy and he makes a point because humans and lobsters share the same neurochemistry and in context he explains about hierarchies.

5. You can agree or disagree with his statement but it doesn't make it asinine. To YOU all of those classes and courses may be in the sweet spot of your political leanings but to an overwhelming majority those courses and subjects are way far left.

Everyone that does not agree with him is dismissed as a post modernist who does not believe in logic. Like Ayn Rand he presents himself as the final word on rationality if you don't agree with him you are irrational. It's why he does not have to defend his incredibly weak pseudo science. Of course the Alt -right love him because they hate the same people, they too want to make themselves incredibly rich off the gullibility of others. The dollar is the bottom line.

He doesn't really believe in anything but selling merch and loving the smell of his own farts. The whole Myth thing and Jung are a staple part of arts and anthropology and everything he dismisses. He is so fucking willfully ignorant because he thinks again directly against what he preaches, and boy does he preach, that he is an expert in everything. He knows fuck all about an awful lot but so do those Proud Boys who subscribe to him.

He presents himself as the savior of the Western World as though the whole of academia are wrong and he is somehow the lone voice of reason. He does not even have a rudimentary understanding of philosophy much like Molyneux. He presents himself as an Alpha male father figure so Miles is drawn to him but actually he is clearly afraid of women. He pretends to embrace Nietzsche but then ignores Nietzsche on Christianity. He is therefore the embodiment of his own definition of a cherry picking post -modern mutha fucker

I don't believe that is the case, I think a lot of people who disagree with him end up proving his points for him. What is he saying? He's saying men should be proud and happy and there's a way to accomplish that and that masculinity is something that can be good, be responsible, be a hard worker, provide for your family, have a family, very simple things but he's met with such vitriol the people listening to him wonder why? Again with the pseudoscience accusation...what about it is pseudoscience? Care to get specific about that?

I guess you know better and could provide better paths to happiness and leading a rich fulfilled life? Would you care to lay out your theories?

He presents himself as a Psychologist who cares about the messages being sent to young people by other professors.

"He pretends to embrace Nietzsche but then ignores Nietzsche on Christianity." ....ok so he doesn't agree 100% with Nietzsche do you agree with anyone 100%?

TRUMP

"The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA-infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great - but must suffer the consequences!"
Twitter, 2/9/14

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
Twitter, 6/10/12

"The concept of shaking hands is absolutely terrible, and statistically I've been proven right."
Playboy, October 2004

“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.”
New York Post, 2011

1. Yes absolutely. Sorry that's extremely valid and correct.

2. It certainly seems that way. It also keeps the extremely poor well extremely poor.

3. OK so he doesn't like shaking hands but we're to believe he paid Russian hookers to piss on him and on some bed he was sleeping in

4. Not an asinine proclamation just a strange statement for you to pick out and have issues with.


So what I'm seeing here is that you disagree with these folks and that's fine but it seems your disapproval stems from very petty things.

[Beanz]

Lyle dismissing Anthropology and English Literature as far left is bat shit insanity. Peterson just wants to shut down debate. He doesn't want to answer anything difficult, just like yourself.

[Beanz]

@Beanz I find absolutely nothing wrong with any of those Trump quotes that you have posted above. I find absolutely nothing distasteful about anything about them. I find absolutely nothing dangerous about any of those quotes

If you are offended by any of those quotes then you are the delicate one so please get the violins get the violins get the violins

Stop putting words in other people's mouths. I did not say they were dangerous or distasteful or dangerous I said they were examples of asinine proclamations. You know the type you are so fond of making you tool.

[brocktonblockbust]

@Beanz I find absolutely nothing wrong with any of those Trump quotes that you have posted above. I find absolutely nothing distasteful about anything about them. I find absolutely nothing dangerous about any of those quotes

If you are offended by any of those quotes then you are the delicate one so please get the violins get the violins get the violins

Stop putting words in other people's mouths. I did not say they were dangerous or distasteful or dangerous I said they were examples of asinine proclamations. You know the type you are so fond of making you tool.

So now you are being pedantic about the words dangerous or distasteful and instead want to say that it's about asinine.

Beans I find nothing asinine about any of those Trump quotes up there. What is your problem with asinine? Only uptight people have problems with so-called asinine comments.

[El Kabong]

Lyle dismissing Anthropology and English Literature as far left is bat shit insanity. Peterson just wants to shut down debate. He doesn't want to answer anything difficult, just like yourself.

Well that all really depends on what is actually being taught in those classes doesn't it? If Anthropology is true to form and teaching about societies and cultures then fine and dandy, if English Literature is taught with Shakespeare and Dickens and Wilde et al then brilliant, if the professor and students are saying things like "This reading list is too white, too male, too focused on oppressors and not oppressed people of color" then I'm afraid you have a problem on your hands and students in such a course wouldn't be LEARNING they would be getting INDOCTRINATED.

Peterson is well up for debate, he's debated quite a few people recently.


What don't I want to answer Beanz?

[Beanz]

Lyle dismissing Anthropology and English Literature as far left is bat shit insanity. Peterson just wants to shut down debate. He doesn't want to answer anything difficult, just like yourself.

Well that all really depends on what is actually being taught in those classes doesn't it? If Anthropology is true to form and teaching about societies and cultures then fine and dandy, if English Literature is taught with Shakespeare and Dickens and Wilde et al then brilliant, if the professor and students are saying things like "This reading list is too white, too male, too focused on oppressors and not oppressed people of color" then I'm afraid you have a problem on your hands and students in such a course wouldn't be LEARNING they would be getting INDOCTRINATED.

Peterson is well up for debate, he's debated quite a few people recently.


What don't I want to answer Beanz?

You just called them far left. You are talking about indoctrination whilst ignoring the fact that Peterson arrogantly wants to shut down whole university departments he does not agree with. Come on man, this is basic stuff. He makes baseless accusations all the time. He is so vague not just because he misunderstands even the basics, but because it means he can wriggle out of anything. He will say you don't understand or you are being irrational. It's not that unusual for Psychologists. The God complex he has may seem ridiculous but he shares the same attributes as other cult leaders like Molyneuax.

[El Kabong]

You just called them far left. You are talking about indoctrination whilst ignoring the fact that Peterson arrogantly wants to shut down whole university departments he does not agree with. Come on man, this is basic stuff. He makes baseless accusations all the time. He is so vague not just because he misunderstands even the basics, but because it means he can wriggle out of anything. He will say you don't understand or you are being irrational. It's not that unusual for Psychologists. The God complex he has may seem ridiculous but he shares the same attributes as other cult leaders like Molyneuax.

Yes and? Are they NOT far left? He says that courses like "Gender Studies" serve no purpose to which I'd agree, you pay how much money to a University to learn what? That you're oppressed, you'll never amount to anything because of the patriarchy, your ancestors were evil and that you need to pay for their sins...that's what you consider an education

"He makes baseless accusations all the time."
For example? I mean I'm just asking for the sake of clarity, I wouldn't want to read your post wrong.

"he shares the same attributes as other cult leaders"
Ummm....so what do you specifically disagree with that he says? Do you think that men should strive to not be men and abandon 100% of masculinity just because masculinity has been deemed an ill?

Your dislike of Peterson and Psychology is very interesting. Why the dislike distrust of Psychology? I'm curious.

[El Kabong]

Trump: Secretary of State Pompeo heading back from North Korea with 3 released prisoners
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/09/trum...prisoners.html

It's a shame Otto Warmbier wasn't able to be released like this, but this is progress in moving forward towards peace.