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    its what turned me against him more than anythng--- his shitty pandemic response and cavalier attitude about it all. Now he says we got great cures like Regeneron just because his billionaire ass got the best trreatments and recovered. Let them eat cake is pale compared to this

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    its what turned me against him more than anythng--- his shitty pandemic response and cavalier attitude about it all. Now he says we got great cures like Regeneron just because his billionaire ass got the best trreatments and recovered. Let them eat cake is pale compared to this
    https://www.biospace.com/article/reg...body-cocktail/

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    its what turned me against him more than anythng--- his shitty pandemic response and cavalier attitude about it all. Now he says we got great cures like Regeneron just because his billionaire ass got the best trreatments and recovered. Let them eat cake is pale compared to this
    https://www.biospace.com/article/reg...body-cocktail/
    Thx for the link..... lets hope Eli Lilly can get the "one million doses by next year" as it will be needed. I see theyre working on it, but

    300,000 doses "within the next few months" :

    we have 9,000,000+ infections in the US and its skyrocketing, so 300,000 really isnt much compared to 9 MILLION+ cases and neither is "in the next few months" very handy or timely -- and some may very well wonder how the hell did HE get it 2 weeks ago if the populus has to wait "a few more months"?

    But thanks for the link, its interesting and Im glad to see theyre working on it, its a step in the right direction ..... not knocking it at all really, BUT....lets hope it is administered for free to the what, 16 million people who will need it by January (i.e. "a few months" from now)
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    You take a look at Joe Biden and you just can't believe that this is the best the Democrats could offer. I mean Andrew Yang would have been a much more interesting candidate in my opinion. Give a young guy a chance to see what he can do. What was wrong with a couple of the others compared with Joe Biden? A lot of them were better than Joe Biden. The Democrats spent the last 4 years talking about diversity and multiculturalism and they put a 79-year-old white guy up there as their presidential candidate. You just cannot make that stuff up
    You go into an electoral cycle with the electorate you have, not the electorate you want to have. The median voter in this election, the guy you need to get to vote for you in order to win, is a fiftysomething white guy with no college education*. Democratic primary voters picked Biden because he had the biggest chance of being elected.

    *In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by three million votes. He won the presidency by pulling an effective inside straight -- he won PA, WI and MI by a combined total of less than 80 000 votes. Those three midwestern states that have reliably voted Democratic for so long that Hillary didn't even campaign in them put Trump in the White House. So in this election the deciding voter is a fiftysomething midwestern white guy with no college education. He's the guy who decides who wins. Democratic voters are aware of this so they nominated the guy with the best chance of winning that vote.

    I don't think you're giving "the fifty-something white guy with no college education" enough credit to think that Joe Biden was the best candidate to win their vote.

    The Democratic candidate field started with 20............... TWENTY people vying for the Presidency. Joe Biden wasn't even in the running early on. Even if it was just a premeditated Democratic Party sham to have 20 candidates only to turn around and choose Biden... it was a poor choice.

    We're talking about a guy who will be 78 years old by the time he takes office... and 82 by the time he finishes his first term. A guy whose verbal gaffs have been coming fast and furious, and giving pause to his most staunch supporters.

    Ain't no way in HELL I'm gonna believe Joe Biden is the best candidate the Democratic Party could trot out there having had four years to get it right.

    That's what all the polls say though. No other candidate for the nomination came close to Biden in terms of electability or how he ran against Trump. Biden has had a solid eightish point lead over Trump for over a year now. Since well before the pandemic started.

    And it's not the Democratic party who chose Biden. It's voters who chose him. They chose him because for better or worse he was the candidate with the biggest chance of beating Trump. Same thing happened in 2004 when they picked Kerry. Kerry was nowhere in the nomination race until national polls showed him running best against Bush.

    He is really old and does make gaffes although the current fucker makes them twice as fast and Biden has always made gaffes. It doesn't seem to bother people although it now plays into his being too old line of attack. Biden has a lot of negatives but was the least worst candidate available.

    I liked Delaney from the original 20.

    He rarely got a chance to speak at the debates, because the way those stupid things are set up... those at the ends (even 10 people up on stage is too much for a good debate) got maybe 15 seconds of air time which of course is ridiculous.

    The debate format was totally messed up, and designed to favor the frontrunners and screw the ones toward the ends of the stage.

    Delaney has the business acumen and thought process to have been a great candidate, IMO.

    Pete Buttigieg would've been another good choice.

    But the whole damn process was a setup. Seems a lot of minds were made up even before Biden decided to announce his candidacy.

    The gaffs cannot be ignored. They represent a worrisome but legitimate concern about his durability under the intense pressure cooker of the White House, especially given the chasm and chaos already caused by Trump.

    The fact remains that the Democratic Party spent the better part of 4 years doing a lot of hand-wringing and denial... instead of doing that for a few months and then immersing themselves in the business of creating policy and developing candidates.

    If Trump wins it's the Dems' damn fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
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    You are accusing anyone not supporting Trump of supporting peados and you think other people are the ones with sick minds?

    If you can't even countenance the idea of mysogonists and racists voting for anyone but a Democrat you are beyond help.

    Your reading comprehension is terrible.

    Yes, if the media just had a whisper of the Trump kids making money from the position their dad is in.

    https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status...01835507060743

    Thx!
    Jr in Dubai, Indonesia, Philippines, Canada (Malasia) Wow didn't know the intricate details. Seems mainstream media only wants to talk about tweets. & right wing media only wants to talk about BLM, Lesbians & how rotten mainstream aka liberal media is.
    The kind of info I miss reading!!! for 7 months? LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    You take a look at Joe Biden and you just can't believe that this is the best the Democrats could offer. I mean Andrew Yang would have been a much more interesting candidate in my opinion. Give a young guy a chance to see what he can do. What was wrong with a couple of the others compared with Joe Biden? A lot of them were better than Joe Biden. The Democrats spent the last 4 years talking about diversity and multiculturalism and they put a 79-year-old white guy up there as their presidential candidate. You just cannot make that stuff up
    I mentioned Andrew Yang early on. In fact he was the only one I mentioned here.
    Charlamagne of the breakfast club radio show gets my thumbs up for 1. Going after Warren on whether or not she benefited on Native-claiming tip. compared Warren to Rachel Dolezal, a former NAACP Spokane chapter president who claimed to be black, not totally true or close. Went after Her positions on war, how can USA afford her free proposals. Questioned Pete Bootygood, I mean Pete Buttigieg on identity politics. Said he was cool that dude went after the LGBT demographic, but what does that have to do with finances, policies.
    Went after Kamala Harris for the amount of her own people she locked up. Went after Bernie Sanders on how can USA afford all he's offering. Few blacks took the everything's Free candidates seriously, yet still labeled as a people that just want it all free.
    Then Andrew came on- they sparred, it was a nice scrap and Yang stood ground on the 1,000 stipend ( I didnt care for) but the automation taking jobs be it industry and soon to be trucking. Blacks who listened dug that. His desire to have all our own data be that (OUR OWN) we dug that. I also read a bit on a few Latin newspapers that dug him. But for some reason, mainstream kept the focus on 1. Sanders 2. Warren. Just like in 2008 IMO 1. Clinton 2. Obama. Everybody else was just the band. Same in 2018-2019....
    What seems to be omitted is that pretty much was the last guy charmalagne interviewed. Was Obama's V.P. Biden. Showing white America what was on the mind of blacks who do have a microphone & audience. NOT BIDEN.
    I blame 1- the DNC for pushing only a few. & when Petey B. got his day in the sun, it seemed to be about the gay candidate - the gay Democrat running, like that shit made sense to repeat. Point it out once & move on.
    I think how this all ended was same way as McCain in 2008 he was dead ass last & won by default, IMO same with Biden. The more Sanders talked the angrier he seemed, the more ridiculous his case for free everything was. It was his basis for running FREE SHIT! Vote me & get FREE SHIT!!
    Warren's test dumped her poll numbers to which I think there were WAY more valid reasons to reject her. If God fearing can elect a vaginal grabber who lied about not knowing or giving $ to a pornstar, then why would Dems shame themselves for Elizabeth at least having the courage to prove she was indeed Native...just like .002 percent or something?
    Pete Butisgay got the networks looking & all they kept reporting was the LGBT candidate- like that would attract heterosexual voters to the Democrats. As if it wouldn't be played to the Republicans as-one step closer to the fagification of the USA. The black dude...4get his name & Kamala didnt have that charisma Barry Soweto had. Both had records that made African American skeptical. In fact I think the media took out Klobuchar & Tulsi Gabbard- making them look like plants from the right. They got no airtime. Oh! Corey Booker, he tanked like a mutha when it was revealed Ivanka & jared helped him get reelected. Saw it as a sellout , while Trump voters could care less daddy's little girl funded a Democrat.
    And when the smoke cleared....Joe Biden was singing Elton John! I'm still standing.
    To me that is how he won, media, DNC, gay groups, minority groups, independents, not a single play on identity politics for him so he won by default.

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    . You just cannot make that stuff up
    The median voter in this election, the guy you need to get to vote for you in order to win, is a fiftysomething white guy with no college education*. Democratic primary voters picked Biden because he had the biggest chance of being elected.

    Democratic voters are aware of this so they nominated the guy with the best chance of winning that vote.
    Ain't no way in HELL I'm gonna believe Joe Biden is the best candidate the Democratic Party could trot out there having had four years to get it right.
    DNC chose their candidates, IMO the people rejected them and ended with Biden by default


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    You take a look at Joe Biden and you just can't believe that this is the best the Democrats could offer. I mean Andrew Yang would have been a much more interesting candidate in my opinion. Give a young guy a chance to see what he can do. What was wrong with a couple of the others compared with Joe Biden? A lot of them were better than Joe Biden. The Democrats spent the last 4 years talking about diversity and multiculturalism and they put a 79-year-old white guy up there as their presidential candidate. You just cannot make that stuff up
    Democratic primary voters picked Biden because he had the biggest chance of being elected.
    .

    A guy whose verbal gaffs have been coming fast and furious, and giving pause to his most staunch supporters.

    .
    He is really old and does make gaffes although the current fucker makes them twice as fast and Biden has always made gaffes. It doesn't seem to bother people although it now plays into his being too old line of attack. Biden has a lot of negatives but was the least worst candidate available.
    True Dems do seem to be sensitive to his gaffes, while the POTUS doesn't gaffe. He lies, makes shit up. Insults our allies. Gives childish names to people like he is a whack late night talk show host. His staunch supporters cant get enough of it.

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    You take a look at Joe Biden and you just can't believe that this is the best the Democrats could offer. I mean Andrew Yang would have been a much more interesting candidate in my opinion. Give a young guy a chance to see what he can do. What was wrong with a couple of the others compared with Joe Biden? A lot of them were better than Joe Biden. ..

    The lack of seventh rate completely unqualified people* in top jobs will be a huge improvement. Nobody is going to take your guns away. Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama were all going to take peoples' guns away. It keeps on not happening. The next dozen Democratic nominees will all be going to take peoples' guns away too and it won't happen then either.

    If the GOP keep the Senate Biden will get nothing done. And I mean nothing. They won't even confirm cabinet members, Fed appointments and so on. The GOP Senate blocked Obama doing anything at all once they gained control of the Senate. They don't believe in actually doing anything mate, they don't want the government to work or do anything useful for its citizens.

    Not a single bill has been taken up by the GOP Senate.
    @Kirkland Laing
    Great points again!

    Amazing how they are able to claim guns & bible confiscation over & over. On a religious tip, even Thomas Jefferson was accused of such. Giving reason for his famous rebuttal: "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg if my neighbor believes in 50 Gods or none at all." & that was 1800, same trick, different millinium.

    On Repub taking up issues-
    When I listen to Biden voters, it seems that is the one point they miss. GOP Cock-blockers. 2010-2018 Tea Party led in turning down, rejecting & no alternatives on both spectrums of foreign & domestic policies. Bragged about how they denied money on foreign policy (Libya) aka Rand Paul led the charge to reject funds.

    From education to healthcare. They were allowed 8 years in both houses to reject & offer zero replacements, alternatives. You seem more aware than American voters are on the topic.
    Back in 2006, when Democrats took control of both houses, Republicans went on to break the record for filibusters. The greatest obstructionist Congress in history. They were applauded, no counter plans necessary.
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    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

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    Biden & Obama are campaigning in Michigan......election day is not far away so I don't take this as a great sign when Biden is supposed to be up 9 in Michigan.

    Trump continues to campaign in NC which is very good for down the ticket Republicans like Tillis whom I didn't really have much love for, but Cal Cunningham fucked up in a HUGE way and probably scored the biggest own goal in this election cycle with his fooling around with another veteran's (a wounded veteran at that) wife!


    Apparently Miles Taylor (who?) was the 'Anonymous' author of the NYT article writing about "the resistance" from within the Trump Administration. It's kind of a non-story IMO because other than "the resistance" nobody remembers or cares about that article. Mr. Taylor is a CNN contributor.....shocking I know.

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    You take a look at Joe Biden and you just can't believe that this is the best the Democrats could offer. I mean Andrew Yang would have been a much more interesting candidate in my opinion. Give a young guy a chance to see what he can do. What was wrong with a couple of the others compared with Joe Biden? A lot of them were better than Joe Biden. The Democrats spent the last 4 years talking about diversity and multiculturalism and they put a 79-year-old white guy up there as their presidential candidate. You just cannot make that stuff up
    You go into an electoral cycle with the electorate you have, not the electorate you want to have. The median voter in this election, the guy you need to get to vote for you in order to win, is a fiftysomething white guy with no college education*. Democratic primary voters picked Biden because he had the biggest chance of being elected.

    *In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by three million votes. He won the presidency by pulling an effective inside straight -- he won PA, WI and MI by a combined total of less than 80 000 votes. Those three midwestern states that have reliably voted Democratic for so long that Hillary didn't even campaign in them put Trump in the White House. So in this election the deciding voter is a fiftysomething midwestern white guy with no college education. He's the guy who decides who wins. Democratic voters are aware of this so they nominated the guy with the best chance of winning that vote.

    I don't think you're giving "the fifty-something white guy with no college education" enough credit to think that Joe Biden was the best candidate to win their vote.

    The Democratic candidate field started with 20............... TWENTY people vying for the Presidency. Joe Biden wasn't even in the running early on. Even if it was just a premeditated Democratic Party sham to have 20 candidates only to turn around and choose Biden... it was a poor choice.

    We're talking about a guy who will be 78 years old by the time he takes office... and 82 by the time he finishes his first term. A guy whose verbal gaffs have been coming fast and furious, and giving pause to his most staunch supporters.

    Ain't no way in HELL I'm gonna believe Joe Biden is the best candidate the Democratic Party could trot out there having had four years to get it right.

    That's what all the polls say though. No other candidate for the nomination came close to Biden in terms of electability or how he ran against Trump. Biden has had a solid eightish point lead over Trump for over a year now. Since well before the pandemic started.

    And it's not the Democratic party who chose Biden. It's voters who chose him. They chose him because for better or worse he was the candidate with the biggest chance of beating Trump. Same thing happened in 2004 when they picked Kerry. Kerry was nowhere in the nomination race until national polls showed him running best against Bush.

    He is really old and does make gaffes although the current fucker makes them twice as fast and Biden has always made gaffes. It doesn't seem to bother people although it now plays into his being too old line of attack. Biden has a lot of negatives but was the least worst candidate available.

    I liked Delaney from the original 20.

    He rarely got a chance to speak at the debates, because the way those stupid things are set up... those at the ends (even 10 people up on stage is too much for a good debate) got maybe 15 seconds of air time which of course is ridiculous.

    The debate format was totally messed up, and designed to favor the frontrunners and screw the ones toward the ends of the stage.

    Delaney has the business acumen and thought process to have been a great candidate, IMO.

    Pete Buttigieg would've been another good choice.

    But the whole damn process was a setup. Seems a lot of minds were made up even before Biden decided to announce his candidacy.

    The gaffs cannot be ignored. They represent a worrisome but legitimate concern about his durability under the intense pressure cooker of the White House, especially given the chasm and chaos already caused by Trump.

    The fact remains that the Democratic Party spent the better part of 4 years doing a lot of hand-wringing and denial... instead of doing that for a few months and then immersing themselves in the business of creating policy and developing candidates.

    If Trump wins it's the Dems' damn fault.

    Nomination races are beauty contests. When you have a massive field like the Democrats had or the GOP had in 2016 the criticism you get from the establishment in either party is that the field is too big and the no hopers need to be weeded out asap. So the party has a balancing act between getting rid of the one and two percent pollers as fast as they can and having a fair contest. I didn't watch a single minute of either nomination race but I think both parties did a fairly good job. If somebody was obviously making no headway with voters and were getting nowhere in either the polls or in donations from supporters then they were filtered out.


    Delaney was a no hoper. Boot edge edge couldn't get enough support despite having massive media coverage. He'll grow on people over the years though. He has a Bill Clinton like ability to take a hostile question damaging to him/his party and do damage with it. Look at this ffs:

    https://twitter.com/occamsrazor45/st...43201516371972

    and this

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314005093012901888


    Biden has always made gaffes. He's been doing it for decades. In 2020 it plays into the too old for the job attack line and there'll be occasional examples of it but it won't be a big issue.

    The Democratic party does nothing else but come up with new policies. I invite you to look at the hundreds of pages of policies on Biden's website. The GOP, not so much. They don't even have a platform this year in a world first for a major political party in a first world nation. And the GOP don't do policy. Luckily America elections don't do policy either and the media never bring the subject up so the GOP can skate on it every four years.

    Here's Trump's healthcare policy:

    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/s...56235981959169

    As for "developing" candidates. How do you do that? How does a party develop a candidate? If you could do that both parties would do it but it doesn't work like that. You can't develop things voters get attracted to. You can sand off some rough edges with media training and so on but every politician has already had all that stuff before they even get elected to a national level office. You either get lucky and a great candidate emerges, like Obama or Clinton, or you have years when there's nobody good available (retread Walter Mondale in 1984 for example).

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    @Kirkland Laing
    Great points again!

    Amazing how they are able to claim guns & bible confiscation over & over. On a religious tip, even Thomas Jefferson was accused of such. Giving reason for his famous rebuttal: "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg if my neighbor believes in 50 Gods or none at all." & that was 1800, same trick, different millinium.

    On Repub taking up issues-
    When I listen to Biden voters, it seems that is the one point they miss. GOP Cock-blockers. 2010-2018 Tea Party led in turning down, rejecting & no alternatives on both spectrums of foreign & domestic policies. Bragged about how they denied money on foreign policy (Libya) aka Rand Paul led the charge to reject funds.

    From education to healthcare. They were allowed 8 years in both houses to reject & offer zero replacements, alternatives. You seem more aware than American voters are on the topic.
    Back in 2006, when Democrats took control of both houses, Republicans went on to break the record for filibusters. The greatest obstructionist Congress in history. They were applauded, no counter plans necessary.

    The GOP are a party who believes that government doesn't work and when they get elected they set about proving it. The bottom line is they're funded by billionaires and big business who don't want to pay taxes or have their businesses regulated so the GOP's entire reason for existence is to enact tax cuts and cut regulation. That's it. It really is.

    Look at the current situation. The country needs trillions of dollars of spending to plug the holes caused by the pandemic. The Democrats passed a bill last May to do this. The GOP know it's the correct thing to do, they already passed a bill spending trillions. They know trillions more are needed but they're not going to do it because helping people down the income scale and the dreaded government helping the economy recover, particularly recovery under a Democratic president is not something they want to do. If they keep control of the Senate next week they'll block any meaningful spending and the economy will have a slow painful recovery like the 2009 recovery. And this is nakedly political. Prevent Americans from seeing how the government can actually fix things and prevent the economy doing well under a Democratic president. But spending trillions on top one percent tax cuts when they are in power is just fine.

    https://swampland.time.com/2012/08/2...bstruct-obama/

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-trump-214498

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    Biden & Obama are campaigning in Michigan......election day is not far away so I don't take this as a great sign when Biden is supposed to be up 9 in Michigan.

    Trump continues to campaign in NC which is very good for down the ticket Republicans like Tillis whom I didn't really have much love for, but Cal Cunningham fucked up in a HUGE way and probably scored the biggest own goal in this election cycle with his fooling around with another veteran's (a wounded veteran at that) wife!


    Apparently Miles Taylor (who?) was the 'Anonymous' author of the NYT article writing about "the resistance" from within the Trump Administration. It's kind of a non-story IMO because other than "the resistance" nobody remembers or cares about that article. Mr. Taylor is a CNN contributor.....shocking I know.

    Biden campaigning in Michigan is a bad sign for him but Trump campaigning in North Carolina and Georgia shows he's doing well?

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    You take a look at Joe Biden and you just can't believe that this is the best the Democrats could offer. I mean Andrew Yang would have been a much more interesting candidate in my opinion. Give a young guy a chance to see what he can do. What was wrong with a couple of the others compared with Joe Biden? A lot of them were better than Joe Biden. The Democrats spent the last 4 years talking about diversity and multiculturalism and they put a 79-year-old white guy up there as their presidential candidate. You just cannot make that stuff up
    You go into an electoral cycle with the electorate you have, not the electorate you want to have. The median voter in this election, the guy you need to get to vote for you in order to win, is a fiftysomething white guy with no college education*. Democratic primary voters picked Biden because he had the biggest chance of being elected.

    *In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by three million votes. He won the presidency by pulling an effective inside straight -- he won PA, WI and MI by a combined total of less than 80 000 votes. Those three midwestern states that have reliably voted Democratic for so long that Hillary didn't even campaign in them put Trump in the White House. So in this election the deciding voter is a fiftysomething midwestern white guy with no college education. He's the guy who decides who wins. Democratic voters are aware of this so they nominated the guy with the best chance of winning that vote.

    I don't think you're giving "the fifty-something white guy with no college education" enough credit to think that Joe Biden was the best candidate to win their vote.

    The Democratic candidate field started with 20............... TWENTY people vying for the Presidency. Joe Biden wasn't even in the running early on. Even if it was just a premeditated Democratic Party sham to have 20 candidates only to turn around and choose Biden... it was a poor choice.

    We're talking about a guy who will be 78 years old by the time he takes office... and 82 by the time he finishes his first term. A guy whose verbal gaffs have been coming fast and furious, and giving pause to his most staunch supporters.

    Ain't no way in HELL I'm gonna believe Joe Biden is the best candidate the Democratic Party could trot out there having had four years to get it right.

    That's what all the polls say though. No other candidate for the nomination came close to Biden in terms of electability or how he ran against Trump. Biden has had a solid eightish point lead over Trump for over a year now. Since well before the pandemic started.

    And it's not the Democratic party who chose Biden. It's voters who chose him. They chose him because for better or worse he was the candidate with the biggest chance of beating Trump. Same thing happened in 2004 when they picked Kerry. Kerry was nowhere in the nomination race until national polls showed him running best against Bush.

    He is really old and does make gaffes although the current fucker makes them twice as fast and Biden has always made gaffes. It doesn't seem to bother people although it now plays into his being too old line of attack. Biden has a lot of negatives but was the least worst candidate available.

    I liked Delaney from the original 20.

    He rarely got a chance to speak at the debates, because the way those stupid things are set up... those at the ends (even 10 people up on stage is too much for a good debate) got maybe 15 seconds of air time which of course is ridiculous.

    The debate format was totally messed up, and designed to favor the frontrunners and screw the ones toward the ends of the stage.

    Delaney has the business acumen and thought process to have been a great candidate, IMO.

    Pete Buttigieg would've been another good choice.

    But the whole damn process was a setup. Seems a lot of minds were made up even before Biden decided to announce his candidacy.

    The gaffs cannot be ignored. They represent a worrisome but legitimate concern about his durability under the intense pressure cooker of the White House, especially given the chasm and chaos already caused by Trump.

    The fact remains that the Democratic Party spent the better part of 4 years doing a lot of hand-wringing and denial... instead of doing that for a few months and then immersing themselves in the business of creating policy and developing candidates.

    If Trump wins it's the Dems' damn fault.

    Nomination races are beauty contests. When you have a massive field like the Democrats had or the GOP had in 2016 the criticism you get from the establishment in either party is that the field is too big and the no hopers need to be weeded out asap. So the party has a balancing act between getting rid of the one and two percent pollers as fast as they can and having a fair contest. I didn't watch a single minute of either nomination race but I think both parties did a fairly good job. If somebody was obviously making no headway with voters and were getting nowhere in either the polls or in donations from supporters then they were filtered out.


    Delaney was a no hoper. Boot edge edge couldn't get enough support despite having massive media coverage. He'll grow on people over the years though. He has a Bill Clinton like ability to take a hostile question damaging to him/his party and do damage with it. Look at this ffs:

    https://twitter.com/occamsrazor45/st...43201516371972

    and this

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314005093012901888


    Biden has always made gaffes. He's been doing it for decades. In 2020 it plays into the too old for the job attack line and there'll be occasional examples of it but it won't be a big issue.

    The Democratic party does nothing else but come up with new policies. I invite you to look at the hundreds of pages of policies on Biden's website. The GOP, not so much. They don't even have a platform this year in a world first for a major political party in a first world nation. And the GOP don't do policy. Luckily America elections don't do policy either and the media never bring the subject up so the GOP can skate on it every four years.

    Here's Trump's healthcare policy:

    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/s...56235981959169

    As for "developing" candidates. How do you do that? How does a party develop a candidate? If you could do that both parties would do it but it doesn't work like that. You can't develop things voters get attracted to. You can sand off some rough edges with media training and so on but every politician has already had all that stuff before they even get elected to a national level office. You either get lucky and a great candidate emerges, like Obama or Clinton, or you have years when there's nobody good available (retread Walter Mondale in 1984 for example).

    You want to tell me how it is... I'm concentrating on how it should be.

    Delaney was a no-hoper? On what grounds? What opportunity did he get to get off the ground and have people hear what he had to say? What opportunities did the guy at the other end of the conga line have?

    If that's the process of deciding on a nominee... it reeks.

    One doesn't need a PhD to come up with that nugget.

    But on to Biden. One gaffe... perfectly inexcusable. Several gaffes spread out over the course of a campaign... sure, ok... anybody can mess up. Daily gaffes, even confusing Trump with George Bush... in the favorite expression of Biden himself... C'mon man!

    He doesn't just have to hold it together for the remainder of the campaign, with a little less than a week to go. He has to hold it together for the next four years. With a nasty, belligerent Trump following... and the possibility of a divided Congress that will rip him to shreds.

    The Democratic Party? Please. They can't get out of their own way when trying to decide between moderate and extremist. The GOP just has to sit back and watch them beat each other to death. Biden wants to be moderate... but can't afford pissing off the Sanders-Warren-AOC fans. What sort of unification is that? I won't argue your statement about policy making, other than to say it's clear which side of the fence you favor. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, as I agree/disagree with policies on both sides of the fence.

    I've thrown out there on numerous occasions that all the Dems have done for the past four years is bitch and moan about Trump, without getting to the business at hand. Whether or not "developing a candidate" is possible is irrelevant. The point is if Trump is the global-scale disaster everyone claims he is, from the Dems to the CNN talking heads and beyond... then why in hell wasn't anything constructive done in the four years they've had? Trotting out a recycled 77-year old former VP with questionable physical and mental stamina isn't exactly a winning strategy... regardless of what anybody thinks.

    To be clear I'm not on Trump's side. But I'll be damned if I don't give the Dems the bashing they deserve for not preparing for a guaranteed victory in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post

    You want to tell me how it is... I'm concentrating on how it should be.

    Delaney was a no-hoper? On what grounds? What opportunity did he get to get off the ground and have people hear what he had to say? What opportunities did the guy at the other end of the conga line have?

    If that's the process of deciding on a nominee... it reeks.

    One doesn't need a PhD to come up with that nugget.

    But on to Biden. One gaffe... perfectly inexcusable. Several gaffes spread out over the course of a campaign... sure, ok... anybody can mess up. Daily gaffes, even confusing Trump with George Bush... in the favorite expression of Biden himself... C'mon man!

    He doesn't just have to hold it together for the remainder of the campaign, with a little less than a week to go. He has to hold it together for the next four years. With a nasty, belligerent Trump following... and the possibility of a divided Congress that will rip him to shreds.

    The Democratic Party? Please. They can't get out of their own way when trying to decide between moderate and extremist. The GOP just has to sit back and watch them beat each other to death. Biden wants to be moderate... but can't afford pissing off the Sanders-Warren-AOC fans. What sort of unification is that? I won't argue your statement about policy making, other than to say it's clear which side of the fence you favor. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, as I agree/disagree with policies on both sides of the fence.

    I've thrown out there on numerous occasions that all the Dems have done for the past four years is bitch and moan about Trump, without getting to the business at hand. Whether or not "developing a candidate" is possible is irrelevant. The point is if Trump is the global-scale disaster everyone claims he is, from the Dems to the CNN talking heads and beyond... then why in hell wasn't anything constructive done in the four years they've had? Trotting out a recycled 77-year old former VP with questionable physical and mental stamina isn't exactly a winning strategy... regardless of what anybody thinks.

    To be clear I'm not on Trump's side. But I'll be damned if I don't give the Dems the bashing they deserve for not preparing for a guaranteed victory in November.

    Delaney amongst other was an absolute no hoper. I can't even remember the name. Despite probably not even managing to hit two percent in any poll he was afforded multiple TV appearances next to candidates who actually had a chance like a whole bunch of other no hopers. There were like half a dozen debates before anybody got cut if I remember correctly. There were so many fucking no hopers that the main candidates couldn't even be matched in the same debate because they had to be spread over the two debates because all the candidates couldn't be on the same stage there were so many.

    If you think Biden is one step away from full blown dmentia and the gaffes that have happened regularly for decades are somehow a sign of this then I have to disagree with you. Just listen to Biden and Trump discuss the issues in the debates. One of them has an actual grasp of the subjects and can talk about them. The other one has a list of talking points and clings to them for dear life because he has zero subject knowledge.

    The Democratic party has an extremist wing?

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    President Trump says that hopefully the courts will stop ballots from being counted past November 3rd.


    Full Trump quote: "We'll see what happens at the end of the day [on Election Day]. Hopefully it won't go longer than that. Hopefully the few states remaining that want to take a lot of time after November 3rd to count ballots, that won't be allowed by the various courts."

    https://twitter.com/nielslesniewski/...14281897254912

    This seems to me like it should be bigger news than it is. Anybody like to weigh in on this? Votes shouldn't be counted in a democratic election? Trump supporters OK with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post

    You want to tell me how it is... I'm concentrating on how it should be.

    Delaney was a no-hoper? On what grounds? What opportunity did he get to get off the ground and have people hear what he had to say? What opportunities did the guy at the other end of the conga line have?

    If that's the process of deciding on a nominee... it reeks.

    One doesn't need a PhD to come up with that nugget.

    But on to Biden. One gaffe... perfectly inexcusable. Several gaffes spread out over the course of a campaign... sure, ok... anybody can mess up. Daily gaffes, even confusing Trump with George Bush... in the favorite expression of Biden himself... C'mon man!

    He doesn't just have to hold it together for the remainder of the campaign, with a little less than a week to go. He has to hold it together for the next four years. With a nasty, belligerent Trump following... and the possibility of a divided Congress that will rip him to shreds.

    The Democratic Party? Please. They can't get out of their own way when trying to decide between moderate and extremist. The GOP just has to sit back and watch them beat each other to death. Biden wants to be moderate... but can't afford pissing off the Sanders-Warren-AOC fans. What sort of unification is that? I won't argue your statement about policy making, other than to say it's clear which side of the fence you favor. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, as I agree/disagree with policies on both sides of the fence.

    I've thrown out there on numerous occasions that all the Dems have done for the past four years is bitch and moan about Trump, without getting to the business at hand. Whether or not "developing a candidate" is possible is irrelevant. The point is if Trump is the global-scale disaster everyone claims he is, from the Dems to the CNN talking heads and beyond... then why in hell wasn't anything constructive done in the four years they've had? Trotting out a recycled 77-year old former VP with questionable physical and mental stamina isn't exactly a winning strategy... regardless of what anybody thinks.

    To be clear I'm not on Trump's side. But I'll be damned if I don't give the Dems the bashing they deserve for not preparing for a guaranteed victory in November.

    Delaney amongst other was an absolute no hoper. I can't even remember the name. Despite probably not even managing to hit two percent in any poll he was afforded multiple TV appearances next to candidates who actually had a chance like a whole bunch of other no hopers. There were like half a dozen debates before anybody got cut if I remember correctly. There were so many fucking no hopers that the main candidates couldn't even be matched in the same debate because they had to be spread over the two debates because all the candidates couldn't be on the same stage there were so many.

    If you think Biden is one step away from full blown dmentia and the gaffes that have happened regularly for decades are somehow a sign of this then I have to disagree with you. Just listen to Biden and Trump discuss the issues in the debates. One of them has an actual grasp of the subjects and can talk about them. The other one has a list of talking points and clings to them for dear life because he has zero subject knowledge.

    The Democratic party has an extremist wing?

    Ok we'll agree to disagree. The system is set up to guarantee failure from the beginning for anybody other than the pre-chosen "top tier candidates", who get most of the speaking time, reflected by their positions on the debate stage. Having 10 people up there with handcuffing time constraints is foolish and pointless to begin with. Why even go through the exercise? If debates are meant to be the national showcases for the public to make up their own minds... the format does a horseshit job. I remember Delaney because with the precious few opportunities he got to speak, he made a hell of a lot of sense. His background isn't any worse than any other candidate, either.

    We'll disagree on Biden also. Sure... he managed to hold it together reasonably well during his debates with Trump. But that's like saying an adult can score 20 touchdowns by playing running back for a PeeWee team. Trump was an incoherent, obnoxious, lying bully in the first (cough) "debate." In the second he obviously got his leash tightened... but still got in a few zingers which Biden handled badly. I'm not a Biden hater. I just think it's precious little to show for four years of planning.

    The Democratic Party has two factions. The moderates and extreme leftists. They fight like cats and dogs in the primaries... and then leave a weakened candidate who can't make up his damn mind which faction he wants to please.
    Not exactly a position of unified strength.

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    every adult in this country who earns under $30,000 a year and/or every couple who earns under $60,000 combined SHOULD GET A $2,500/$5,000 stimulus check.

    ...on another note, We just for the first time in 7 months went to a full sized supermarket (Target) to use a $50 gift card we got from last Christmas we never used. (we have just been going to a small uncrowded Aldi's once a week and shopping quickly like 10 minutes max, and getting the hell out).

    Let me tell you, inside that packed-like-sardines Target were hundreds upon hundreds of MASKS PULLED DOWN OFF THEIR NOSES & MOUTHS, SHOUTING TO EACH OTHER, LOUDLY LAUGHING, ABSOLUTELY ZERO SOCIAL DISTANCING COVIDIOTS.

    I had on my mask, sunglasses, and since its cold out here now, 2 hoodies..... I held my breath each time a 5-person family or group brushed by me in the narrow aisles, while they shouted to each other and laughed with wide open mouths WITH THEIR MASKS PULLED OFF THEIR FACES UNDER THEIR CHINS, and I mean gee, could THAT be why we have OVER 9 MILLION CASES NOW IN AMERICA? YA THINK?

    Fuck it, I could barely get the fuck out of there without passing out, getting dizzy, making sure my mask wasnt letting in huge drafts of air, and trying not to fog up my glasses, all the while quickly trying to hunt down the items we wanted to buy........

    I HAVE NO CLUE HOW PEOPLE CAN WORK 8, 9, 10 HOURS IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. It was hell just SHOPPING like that for 25 minutes. LIVING IN THAT 40, 45 HOURS A WEEK?

    HELL NAHHHHHHHH!!! I'm not going into another supermarket until next Spring/Summer at the earliest. Nor am I working around people until then either.

    Sticking to deliveries from Kroger, rinsing off all the groceries VERY well in the sink, and working online with Teams or Zoom. Fucking hell.
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    Say what you will about Trump. But he sure does know how to keep those Democratic state governors in line.

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