Today in Trump

[TitoFan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...d=BingNewsSerp

"Trump Runs Afoul of Military Community – Again – With Medal of Honor Comments"




Fukking clown can't seem to get out of his own way.

[Kirkland Laing]

https://x.com/billprady/status/1824561989030707477

[Spicoli]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...d=BingNewsSerp

"Trump Runs Afoul of Military Community – Again – With Medal of Honor Comments"




Fukking clown can't seem to get out of his own way.

Absolute disgrace. And also Medal of freedom winners can be mega donors . He has zero respect for veterans. Yet another example.

[Kirkland Laing]

https://x.com/stuartpstevens/status/1825706911146324047

[wdenis2212]

Amazing

[Kirkland Laing]

Amazing

Who was this? Brockton?

[Kirkland Laing]

https://x.com/TheRickWilson/status/1826313979473416427

[Kirkland Laing]

Keep scrolling:



https://x.com/TheHoustonWade/status/1824394411889004623

[TitoFan]

This thread has been dead for over 2 weeks... so I thought I'd revive it.


https://apnews.com/projects/january-6-cases/

by Michael Kunzelman, Alanna Durkin Richer, Cal Woodward

The Associated Press has spent more than three years tracking the nearly 1,500 Capitol riot cases brought by the Justice Department. AP reporters have reviewed hours of video footage and thousands of pages of court documents. They have sat through dozens of court hearings and trials for the rioters who descended on the Capitol and temporarily halted the certification of President Joe Biden’s victory. These videos represent a mere fraction of the evidence that prosecutors have presented to juries and judges deciding these cases.

"Inside Washington’s federal courthouse, there’s no denying the reality of Jan. 6, 2021. Day after day, judges and jurors silently absorb the chilling sights and sounds from television screens of rioters beating police, shattering windows and hunting for lawmakers as democracy lay under siege.

But as he seeks to reclaim the White House, Donald Trump continues to portray the defendants as patriots worthy of admiration, an assertion that has been undercut by the adjudicated truth in hundreds of criminal cases where judges and juries have reached the opposite conclusion about what history will remember as one of America’s darkest days.

The cases have systematically put on record — through testimony, documents and video — the crimes committed, weapons wielded, and lives altered by physical and emotional damage. Trump is espousing a starkly different story, portraying the rioters as hostages and political prisoners whom he says he might pardon if he wins in November.

“This is not normal.
This cannot become normal.
We as a community, we as a society, we as a country cannot condone the normalization of the January 6 Capitol riot.”
U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth

There are no broadcast television cameras inside the E. Barrett Prettyman federal courthouse on Constitution Avenue. But the real story of Jan. 6 is found in the mounds of evidence and testimony judges and juries have seen and heard behind the doors of the courthouse where hundreds of Trump’s supporters have been convicted in the attack.

It’s unclear whether Trump will ever stand trial at the same courthouse in the federal case alleging he illegally schemed to overturn his 2020 election loss in the run-up to the violence. The Supreme Court’s ruling that former presidents have broad immunity from prosecution means a trial won't happen before the election.

If he wins, he could appoint an attorney general who could seek dismissal of the case, or potentially order a pardon for himself.

In Trump's telling, the mob on Jan. 6 assembled peacefully to preserve democracy, not upend it, and the rioters were agitated but not armed. They were not insurrectionists but rather 1776-style “patriots." And now they are being persecuted by the Justice Department, juries and judges for their political beliefs.

His relentless attempts to rewrite history have become foundational to the Republican's bid for another term, with campaign rallies honoring the rioters as heroes while an anthem plays in their name.

He was an invited guest for a “J6 Awards Gala” fundraiser at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, for those charged with crimes connected to the riot. His campaign later said he wouldn’t attend the fundraiser, which was then postponed. Organizers did not respond to requests for comment.

When pressed during a recent event, Trump said he "absolutely" would pardon rioters who assaulted police — if they were “innocent." When the interviewer noted she was talking about convicted rioters, Trump replied that they were convicted “by a very tough system.”

It’s part of an effort to undermine faith in the nation’s justice system that has escalated since Trump's conviction on 34 felony charges in his New York hush money trial. Even more than that, it’s fuel for a campaign of vengeance Trump says will come if he wins.

“Those J6 warriors, they were warriors, but they were really more than anything else — they’re victims of what happened,” Trump said in a rally after his conviction. Falsely claiming the rioters were “set up” by police, he appeared to threaten revenge: “That blows two ways, that blows two ways, believe me.”

In response to several questions from the AP about Trump's support of the Jan. 6 defendants and pledge to pardon the rioters, Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said in an email: “Kamala Harris and Joe Biden’s Department of Justice has spent more time prosecuting President Trump and targeting Americans for peacefully protesting on January 6th than criminals, illegal immigrants, and terrorists who are committing violent crimes in Democrat-run cities every day."

Many Republicans have lined up behind Trump to minimize the violence and push these lies: Police welcomed the mob into the building. Undercover FBI operatives and left-wing antifa activists instigated the attack.

His running mate, JD Vance, has echoed Trump's claims that Jan. 6 defendants are being treated unfairly, referring to them in a 2022 social media post as “political prisoners," and describing their “captivity” as "an assault on democracy.”

The disinformation campaign has taken root in a vast swath of the country. About a year after the attack, only about 4 in 10 Republicans recalled it as very violent or extremely violent, according to an Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll. Three years after the riot, a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll found about 7 in 10 Republicans said too much is being made of it.

And now some of the same lawmakers who blamed Trump for the riot are supporting his bid to return to the White House. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell endorsed Trump’s campaign this year after condemning the former president as “morally responsible” for what McConnell called a “failed insurrection.”

To be sure, not all members of the mob engaged in violence. Hundreds of people who went into the Capitol but did not attack police or damage the building were charged only with misdemeanors. And the Justice Department has dropped a felony obstruction charge in some cases after the Supreme Court ruled in June that prosecutors applied it too broadly.

Investigators have documented a number of firearms in the crowd, along with knives, a pitchfork, a tomahawk ax, brass knuckle gloves and other weapons. One rioter was captured on camera firing a gun into the air outside the Capitol. Others used makeshift weapons to attack police, including flagpoles, a crutch and a hockey stick.

Judges and juries have heard police officers describe being savagely attacked while defending the building. All told, about 140 officers were injured that day, making it “likely the largest single day mass assault of law enforcement” in American history, Matthew Graves, the U.S. Attorney for Washington, has said.

Trump has said no one was killed on Jan. 6. In fact, a Trump supporter, Ashli Babbitt, was fatally shot by police while trying to climb through the broken window of a barricaded Capitol doorway. Authorities cleared the officer of any wrongdoing after an investigation. Three other people in the crowd died of medical emergencies. At least four officers who were at the Capitol later died by suicide. And Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick collapsed and died after engaging with the protesters. A medical examiner later determined he died of natural causes.

Juries have watched videos of rioters calling for violence against then-Vice President Mike Pence and select lawmakers. They've seen far-right extremists in the run-up to the riot talk of civil war and revolution. They’ve heard congressional aides recount running to safety as the mob roamed the halls in search of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others.

And judges have watched hundreds of rioters admit to breaking the law, many expressing remorse for falling for Trump's stolen election lies — falsehoods he continues to spread. Some rioters have defiantly parroted Trump’s rhetoric in court, with at least two defendants shouting “Trump won!” after learning their sentences.

Lamberth said in his nearly four decades on the bench, he "cannot recall a time when such meritless justifications of criminal activity have gone mainstream.”
“I have been shocked to watch some public figures try to rewrite history, claiming rioters behaved ‘in an orderly fashion’ like ordinary tourists, or martyrizing convicted January 6 defendants as ‘political prisoners’ or even, incredibly, ‘hostages,’” the judge wrote in court papers."

The country has gone full-scale SICK. Donald Trump has singlehandedly brainwashed countless Minions... coerced them to commit acts of violence and insurrection... convinced said Minions of his ridiculous lies... and made the U.S of A. a laughing stock in the opinion of many developed countries around the world.

I never liked Hillary Clinton... but maybe we should reconsider that one word that got her in so much trouble in 2016:


DEPLORABLES

[Kirkland Laing]

Looks like he lost the debate then. Frank Luntz, a Republican pollster who invented half the present day Republican candidates' language and the dial thing that focus groups of voters turn up and down when they're watching politicians to show their approval or disapproval of what they're saying just said that he thinks the debate cost Trump the election:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/republic...e-performance/

I am not so sure. This guy has forgotten more about polling and elections than I'll ever know but I do know that this election is going to come down to less than a million swing voters in half a dozen states. These voters largely don't watch debates and vote on vague notions of whatever issues are currently getting their attention. In this election I think most of them are going to vote for Trump because inflation was low back when he was in office. Forget about trying to explain why inflation happened and the lack of ability of any president to do anything about it and you're wasting your breath. What they know for sure is inflation was low under Trump and he says he can cut prices for them. He's a great businessman who understands the economy so I believe him and I'm going to vote for him.

In crucial states like Pennsylvania in the last election Trump was underpolling by about five points. In other words the polls showed Biden with five points more support than the election result did. Harris is up by two or three points in a lot of these swing states and I don't think this is going to be enough. There were five points of shy Trump voters last time and I think there could easily be more this time. I'm sure a lot of people don't want to say to a pollster I'm voting for the insurrectionist.

I hope I'm wrong but I think that shambolic mess from last night* is going to win in November. And he's going to spend the next couple of months just being full on fascist and threatening to jail anybody who he doesn't like and so on and people are still going to vote for him. It's just horrific.

https://twitter.com/ruthbenghiat/sta...07511300579498



Sonia Sotomayor needs to retire right the fuck now. Announce it on Monday and we can have some nice confirmation hearings to raise the saliency of abortion as an election issue.





* I saw about two minutes on twitter. I just can't stand watching him.

[TitoFan]

If Trump wins, it's going to be because:

1. He's managed to hopelessly divide the nation into warring factions, while in the process emboldening those who thrive on hate, ignorance, and rah-rah dumbshit speeches.

2. He's managed to throw so many monkey wrenches into the credibility of the electoral process, EVERYTHING is now questionable.

No other reason.

[TitoFan]

[Kirkland Laing]

This is from forecaster Nate Silver who you've probably heard of. The first seven states in this list are the seven states which will decide the election, we already know which way the other states will vote. Harris is only ahead by basically two points of less which is more or less the margin of error. Trump is probably underpolling by several points in all of these states. If the election was held tomorrow I'd expect him to sweep all seven.









Look at this headline. Amazing eh? Even in the liberal media NYT and Washington Post you don't see them describe Trump like this. And forget about national TV channels. Every time he comes out with some outright fascism like this every media outlet should have it front and centre, look what the fascist said today. I'm not sure it would do anything to change the election, there appear to be significant numbers of fascists in America who are fine with multiple lawbreaking, sexual assault and the rest of it. But at least tell people the truth instead of ignoring it. It shouldn't just be regional newspapers covering this.

The media are covering the horse race when they should be covering the stakes.

[TitoFan]

What's amazing is that the headline is from the Orlando Sentinel, a newspaper from the state where Trump enjoys his biggest lead.

So they proudly trumpet his revenge motives... but still vote for him.

They should grant Florida its independence.

[Kirkland Laing]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/republic...s-hard-to-say/






After the last election when Trump was impeached Mitt Romney says there were a bunch of GOP senators who would have voted guilty but were too scared to. If Trump had been found guilty he couldn't have run again.

Romney was the only GOP senator to vote guilty and did so while spending 50k a day on security for himself and his family. He's much wealthier than almost all senators so could afford to do it, almost all of them couldn't do it.

From what little I've seen of him this guy looks to be a genuine fascist, not somebody just scared of Trump and his cult and scared to vote against him. But the fact remains the GOP is as a whole terrified of its own voters. It's banana republic stuff and it's going to get bad of Harris wins.

Sonia Sotomayor, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you.





Also Trump at least right now has bottled out of another debate:

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...38556208206185





This is an interesting read:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/a...american-right