Today in Trump

[TIC]

@TitoFan do you believe it's right for one person to rule over another person?

Nice try.

I believe it's right, and wise, for a government to rule over a society of people who would otherwise trample over other people's rights based on biases, ignorance, and all sorts of societal ills.

can't answer the question? why are you speaking on what you think other people will do? just speak for yourself. if you need a group of people to rule over you otherwise you would trample on other people's rights on your biases, ignorance and all sorts of societal ills then say that. i find it very strange you can't answer a simple question. the fact that you think it's right for a group of people to rule over other people says everything

[Master]

Rules, by there very nature, require people to agree, make and follow them.

[TIC]

Rules, by there very nature, require people to agree, make and follow them.

rules aren't rulers are they master? do you need a rule for you not to steal, rape or murder et cetera? if a group of my friends & i make a rule that you must give me a certain percentage of your wage each pay would you agree to that? if your so called rules are agreed upon, made & followed why is there still theft, rape & murder? i'll ask you the same simple question. is it right for one person to rule over another person?

[Master]

Rules, by there very nature, require people to agree, make and follow them.

rules aren't rulers are they master? do you need a rule for you not to steal, rape or murder et cetera? if a group of my friends & i make a rule that you must give me a certain percentage of your wage each pay would you agree to that? if your so called rules are agreed upon, made & followed why is there still theft, rape & murder? i'll ask you the same simple question. is it right for one person to rule over another person?

Different question. I am on about rules and the law that most people in society follow.

[TIC]

so you also refuse to answer such a simple question. says a lot. alright since you're on about rules & the law, would you have been okay with slavery when it was legal at the time because those were the rules & it was the law? & would you have considered those that helped slaves escape criminals as that was against the law?

you also refused to answer these questions about rules:

do you need a rule for you not to steal, rape or murder et cetera?

if a group of my friends & i make a rule that you must give me a certain percentage of your wage each pay would you agree to that?

if your so called rules are agreed upon, made & followed why is there still theft, rape & murder?

[Beanz]

MOST DIVISIVE

politics is inherently divisive

You are inherently divisive.

You could start an argument in a Trappist Monastery.

[Beanz]

so you also refuse to answer such a simple question. says a lot. alright since you're on about rules & the law, would you have been okay with slavery when it was legal at the time because those were the rules & it was the law? & would you have considered those that helped slaves escape criminals as that was against the law?

you also refused to answer these questions about rules:

do you need a rule for you not to steal, rape or murder et cetera?

if a group of my friends & i make a rule that you must give me a certain percentage of your wage each pay would you agree to that?

if your so called rules are agreed upon, made & followed why is there still theft, rape & murder?

Pretty sure Master has always been Pro Slavery.

Even modern slavery.

He loves it.

[Beanz]

MOST DIVISIVE

politics is inherently divisive

One thing is having divisions based on opinions on policies and issues. Another is making it about personalities, one-liners, and insults. Inciting hatred.

Politicians normally at least give lip service to unity. Trump openly encourages and revels in deep divisions and hate.

Divide and conquer.

politics it's a belief system based on dividing people on the myth that some people have the right to rule over others. politicians might give lip service but they mean to govern/ rule & have authority over you. if you want to vote for someone to rule over you that is your choice but you are also wanting that person to rule over others & that is immoral. you are correct when you say divide & conquer

I don't know quite how to break this to you, but...

If you went to school, and followed their rules... people ruled over you.

If you served in the military... people ruled over you.

If you work at a company and have a boss... people rule over you.

If you drive, observing speed limits and other such rules... people rule over you.



A government is nothing more than a body of people, hopefully elected by a majority of the people, and hopefully qualified to enact and enforce laws... who do just that.

Otherwise, it's just a society full of people running around doing whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, however they want. I believe it's called ANARCHY.

no one said anything about no rules. i don't want a ruler & i don't want someone to rule over you. i have my own rules that i follow, don't use violence unless to protect myself or others, don't steal, don't rape, stuff like that

men can't make laws for other men to follow. if you believe that then that means you believe someone else has a higher claim over your life & property than you

government is a group of people who reserve for themselves the right to do something that you can’t do by yourself and you are obligated to obey them, if you don’t obey them then they will use force, up to and including death to bring you to heel

if you need someone to make laws for you to stop you from going out & killing, stealing, raping et cetera then you have to look internally & ask yourself why you would do these things without laws telling you not to

Men have made laws for centuries that by consensus many other men and women have chose to obey. That is what gives you the freedom that you abuse. It has nothing to do with a higher claim over your life and property. You are starting from a conclusion you have read about on the internet and then trying to work backwards to fit everything else into that twisted narrative. Your idea of Government is daft and naive in the extreme. Democracy is not perfect and yes power corrupts, but to pretend that the organisational structures that provide schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc are irrelevant and that it is all about forcing you to obey under the threat of death is hysterical nonsense.

The most outrageous suggestion though is the idea that people who choose to exercise their right to vote would be incapable of not killing, stealing and raping without the law. That is what many religious people believe.

[Spicoli]

I got a wild hair today and decided to build a small goat farm in my place. Was promptly informed I was breaking the rules agreed to within lease. Anyone want to buy a goat? Trying to get to buy a tent at the moment. For the record I ran a red light today. Also turns out I owed the State $22 from last year. I paid in pennies and put a circle A by my signature \m/ . Even sneered me lip at the gal and started a fight with the trash can on my way out!

[TIC]

MOST DIVISIVE

politics is inherently divisive

You are inherently divisive.

You could start an argument in a Trappist Monastery.

"no one is more hated than he who speaks the truth"

[TIC]

so you also refuse to answer such a simple question. says a lot. alright since you're on about rules & the law, would you have been okay with slavery when it was legal at the time because those were the rules & it was the law? & would you have considered those that helped slaves escape criminals as that was against the law?

you also refused to answer these questions about rules:

do you need a rule for you not to steal, rape or murder et cetera?

if a group of my friends & i make a rule that you must give me a certain percentage of your wage each pay would you agree to that?

if your so called rules are agreed upon, made & followed why is there still theft, rape & murder?

Pretty sure Master has always been Pro Slavery.

Even modern slavery.

He loves it.

are speaking on some else's behalf larry?

[TIC]

Men have made laws for centuries that by consensus many other men and women have chose to obey. That is what gives you the freedom that you abuse. It has nothing to do with a higher claim over your life and property. You are starting from a conclusion you have read about on the internet and then trying to work backwards to fit everything else into that twisted narrative. Your idea of Government is daft and naive in the extreme. Democracy is not perfect and yes power corrupts, but to pretend that the organisational structures that provide schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc are irrelevant and that it is all about forcing you to obey under the threat of death is hysterical nonsense.

The most outrageous suggestion though is the idea that people who choose to exercise their right to vote would be incapable of not killing, stealing and raping without the law. That is what many religious people believe.

just because others have consented to obey does not automatically mean i have ever consented. no one can give me freedom larry, because no one rules over me. what freedom do i abuse, make sure you answer you sniveling little weasel. does anyone have a higher claim of your life & property larry? you are making an assumption about what i have read. freedom is not a twisted narrative. same question to you larry, i know you want answer because you're a pussy just like everyone else here who can't answer. is it right for one person to rule over another person? the myth of government is daft & naive in the extreme. the idea that a group of people have the right to rule over others & tell them what they can & can't do without their consent. democracy is mob rule. the majority telling the minority what to do. you don't need a government to educate others, or care for the ill, roads & infrastructure aren't built by government larry. ever heard of frontiers men or trailblazers? i never said these things are irrelevant, i am saying government is not needed for them. if government agents (the police) come to my property to take away my property that i brought or produced myself (my guns or drugs) & i refuse to give them up, how are these agents going to take them larry? master was the one talking about rules & laws. i simply asked does he need laws to tell him not to kill, steal or rape. i said nothing about voting in response to that. if you want to vote for someone to rule over you & tell you what you can & can't do that is your choice, but for you to think that it is okay for you to want someone to rule over me & tell me what i can & can't do is mental & immoral

[TIC]

Men have made laws for centuries that by consensus many other men and women have chose to obey. That is what gives you the freedom that you abuse. It has nothing to do with a higher claim over your life and property. You are starting from a conclusion you have read about on the internet and then trying to work backwards to fit everything else into that twisted narrative. Your idea of Government is daft and naive in the extreme. Democracy is not perfect and yes power corrupts, but to pretend that the organisational structures that provide schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc are irrelevant and that it is all about forcing you to obey under the threat of death is hysterical nonsense.

The most outrageous suggestion though is the idea that people who choose to exercise their right to vote would be incapable of not killing, stealing and raping without the law. That is what many religious people believe.

just because others may have consented & chosen to obey other men doesn't automatically mean i have given my consent to be ruled larry. what freedom do i abuse larry? i expect an answer to this question. does anyone have a higher claim over your life & property larry? you are assuming what i have read on the internet larry. freedom is not a twisted narrative. the idea of government is daft & naive in the extreme. the idea that a group of people have the right to rule over others & tell them what they can & can't do against their will is retarded. democracy is mob rule. it's the majority telling the minority what they can & can't do against their will. you don't need a government to educate, to care for the ill. the government doesn't build roads or infrastructure larry. ever heard of frontiers men or trailblazers? i'm not say these things are irrelevant. i'm saying government is not needed for these these to happen. if government agents (the police) come to my property to try & take away my property that i brought or produced consensually & voluntarily (my guns & drugs) & i refuse to give them up, how are these agents going to take them larry?

i never suggested that those who vote are incapable of not killing, stealing & raping. master brought up rules & the law & i asked does he require laws to stop him from doing those things. the fact is that even with all these laws, so many that not even you & i are aware of most of them , these things still happen on a daily basis larry

[TIC]

site crashed, had to repost again, hence the two replies

[Beanz]

DIC...you said

"same question to you larry, i know you want answer because you're a pussy just like everyone else here who can't answer. is it right for one person to rule over another person? "

Do you want to rephrase that in English?