Today in Trump

[El Kabong]

OK Kirkland if access to the servers would actually damage evidence and destroy the case then why would FBI head honcho and all around stand up guy James Comey ask the DNC for the physical servers? He did so more than once it's worth noting.

CrowdStrike is NOT an impartial participant in this, they are firmly on the side of the DNC (at least their business is). CrowdStrike have total access to the servers, why won't the DNC allow the FBI similar access? Surely it's better to have too much information than too little in this case?

DNC: The Russians had been booted from our system by the time DHS called
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ecurity-239866
The Democratic National Committee had kicked Russian hackers out of its computer systems by June of last year — two months before the Department of Homeland Security called to offer assistance, according to DNC officials.

The DNC is pushing back after former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified before Congress that the DNC rebuffed the agency’s offer to help — testimony that drew gloating tweets on Thursday morning from President Donald Trump.


“Why did Democratic National Committee turn down the DHS offer to protect against hacks (long prior to election),” the president wrote. In another tweet, he said it was “all a big Dem scam and excuse for losing the election!”

It’s the latest dust-up in a long-running blame game over why the DNC and the federal government did not do more to stop Russian cyber intrusions, which U.S. intelligence agencies now say were part of a covert effort to subvert the election process and damage Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.


You mention "leaked emails"...you mean WikiLeaks yes? So Kirkland....was Seth Rich a "Russian Spy"? I'm very curious to read your answer to that.

Obama, McCain computers 'hacked' during election campaign
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...hite-house-usa
FBI discovers cyber attacks during the summer originated in China and stole large amounts of data
Hackers broke into the computer systems of the Barack Obama and John McCain campaign teams during the US presidential race and stole a ''serious amount of files" in an operation that US government cyber experts believe originated from China.

The Secret Service and FBI warned Obama and McCain earlier this year that their computer networks had been infiltrated by foreign hackers who downloaded large quantities of information from the campaign networks.

"You have been compromised, and a serious amount of files have been loaded off your system," an FBI agent said, according to a report in Newsweek magazine.

The report went on to say that technical experts speculated the hackers were Russian or Chinese. The FBI apparently told Obama the attack had not been carried out by political opponents.

US officials said they discovered that the cyber attacks originated in China but do not yet know if they were government-sponsored or from an unaffiliated source.

The incident was first revealed in a Newsweek report that said the FBI and Secret Service told the Obama team of the attack in the summer.

According to the article, Josh Bolten, the White House chief of staff, called David Plouffe, who was Obama's campaign manager, saying: "You have a real problem … you have to deal with it."

It is understood the campaigns then hired private cyber security companies to look into the breaches.

The Secret Service and the McCain and Obama campaign teams have made no comment on the alleged attacks.


So Barack Obama was a shill for China and his presidency should be rendered null and void then? And OMG Obama was China's bitch for 8 years....8 years of being China's bitch....daaaaaang

[brocktonblockbust]

Spin

[walrus]

OK Kirkland if access to the servers would actually damage evidence and destroy the case then why would FBI head honcho and all around stand up guy James Comey ask the DNC for the physical servers? He did so more than once it's worth noting.

CrowdStrike is NOT an impartial participant in this, they are firmly on the side of the DNC (at least their business is). CrowdStrike have total access to the servers, why won't the DNC allow the FBI similar access? Surely it's better to have too much information than too little in this case?

DNC: The Russians had been booted from our system by the time DHS called
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ecurity-239866
The Democratic National Committee had kicked Russian hackers out of its computer systems by June of last year — two months before the Department of Homeland Security called to offer assistance, according to DNC officials.

The DNC is pushing back after former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified before Congress that the DNC rebuffed the agency’s offer to help — testimony that drew gloating tweets on Thursday morning from President Donald Trump.


“Why did Democratic National Committee turn down the DHS offer to protect against hacks (long prior to election),” the president wrote. In another tweet, he said it was “all a big Dem scam and excuse for losing the election!”

It’s the latest dust-up in a long-running blame game over why the DNC and the federal government did not do more to stop Russian cyber intrusions, which U.S. intelligence agencies now say were part of a covert effort to subvert the election process and damage Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.


You mention "leaked emails"...you mean WikiLeaks yes? So Kirkland....was Seth Rich a "Russian Spy"? I'm very curious to read your answer to that.

Obama, McCain computers 'hacked' during election campaign
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...hite-house-usa
FBI discovers cyber attacks during the summer originated in China and stole large amounts of data
Hackers broke into the computer systems of the Barack Obama and John McCain campaign teams during the US presidential race and stole a ''serious amount of files" in an operation that US government cyber experts believe originated from China.

The Secret Service and FBI warned Obama and McCain earlier this year that their computer networks had been infiltrated by foreign hackers who downloaded large quantities of information from the campaign networks.

"You have been compromised, and a serious amount of files have been loaded off your system," an FBI agent said, according to a report in Newsweek magazine.

The report went on to say that technical experts speculated the hackers were Russian or Chinese. The FBI apparently told Obama the attack had not been carried out by political opponents.

US officials said they discovered that the cyber attacks originated in China but do not yet know if they were government-sponsored or from an unaffiliated source.

The incident was first revealed in a Newsweek report that said the FBI and Secret Service told the Obama team of the attack in the summer.

According to the article, Josh Bolten, the White House chief of staff, called David Plouffe, who was Obama's campaign manager, saying: "You have a real problem … you have to deal with it."

It is understood the campaigns then hired private cyber security companies to look into the breaches.

The Secret Service and the McCain and Obama campaign teams have made no comment on the alleged attacks.


So Barack Obama was a shill for China and his presidency should be rendered null and void then? And OMG Obama was China's bitch for 8 years....8 years of being China's bitch....daaaaaang

China hacked the info on US military personnel. It’s not brought up because our senate makes too much money off of China. Russia is a safe target. As far as trump changing his wording Kirkland has never heard of strategic cucking.

[walrus]

And the dems calling for a coup, isn’t that nice

Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) this week repeatedly defended his tweet that implied that America needed to have a military coup to remove President Donald Trump after his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Trump held a summit with Putin on Monday, in which the 45th president declined to directly chastise Putin for allegedly trying to influence the 2016 presidential election, even when asked by an Associated Press (AP) reporter to do so. President Trump blamed the Russia investigation for some of the friction between the two countries.

In response to the summit, Rep. Cohen tweeted on Monday, “Where are our military folks? The Commander in Chief is in the hands of our enemy!”

[brocktonblockbust]

The left has been totally unhinged since Trump really ~~~schlonged~~~
Hillary Clinton

Severe butthurt syndrome has now given rise to Trump derangement syndrome

I swear by the spring of 2019 these lunatics these rainbow Marxist loonatics rabidly attacking people physically all over the country will be rounded up and sent to FEMA camps

[walrus]

I am cool.

You defending Trump at everything he does is funny.

It is pretty funny stuff. Lyle working himself into an apoplectic rage whilst telling everyone to calm down Then Brockton and Walrus talking utter nonsense and issuing meaningless platitudes because they have no way of explaining how the 'alternative to politicians and the deep state' has proved pretty comprehensively that he is not only exactly the same as all the self interested 1%ers that went before, but actually the dictionary definition of a two faced lying politician who has not changed his snake oil bullshit act for 40 yrs. He is not interested in serving his country, he just wants to be first in line for the all you can eat ego buffet.

Ha, talk about platitudes. You don’t even live in America, stop slagging off the US, isn’t that what you say to us Americans when we mention the UK or is that just standard hypocritical bullshit. Sharpen your spoon and get back to the coast the evil Americans may invade any moment

[Spicoli]

He's done some good things and some bad things.

He's made some good decisions that will have a positive impact on the economy.

He's been as bad as any President in dividing the country. If you see a divided country as a good thing, I guess that's your prerogative.

Domestically never was my fear about Trump.

Globally was where most of my concerns lie.


And frankly...... Trump has proven to be Putin's bitch.

By doing what? As compared to who?

The very same policy wonks who used to tout Obama as brilliant want Trump to what? March up to Putin and punch him in the face? What does that achieve? A friendly Putin might be more able or willing to help in Syria or Iran or North Korea....but we're going to toss the very idea of peace aside to have a shooting war with Russia? Yeah that sounds brilliant.

Very same folks scared to death of Trump starting a nuclear war are now bitching about him attempting to get along with Russia......and nobody finds that odd?

We'll see what happens with Putin in the future.

He dedicated how much time and effort to deride some dumb athletes for failing to 'stand up' for America? Today from my eyes, he was no different by failing to do so.

That is a ridiculous comparison.

Russia can go to war with us in any number of ways.....athletes can

Um exactly. Trump likes his low hanging fruit. He can find the metal and moxie to call irrelevant individuals out while wrapping himself in the flag. Or he can slam allies on a world stage to rally his base. More so his voters can do the same and find the voice. But in the eye of Russian leader who he treats like a swooning teen idol more than a serious threat and actor..he caves. He was an empty suit mumbling praise upon him and nodding along and failing to defend the same colors, Republic, law enforcement and personnel. Because why...we have to fear offending master Putin? We mustn't upset or speak even the slightest stern tone to Putin? We don't really think Putin respects that do we? It's laughable. You do not stand on foreign soil before the world and follow along and fail to stand up, in some manner, some way, for the ones who have fought and those who will fight all these 'wars' we talk about. You take a man on his actions, on his conduct and character. Not some mealy mouthed half baked excuse like "I meant would". Honestly...Democrat-Republican-Independent. Terrible episode.

[brocktonblockbust]

Spicoli this seems like a lot of something out of nothing. It seems like people are saying the sky is falling here. I can't find anything at all any causal thing here at all no cause and effect nothing concrete anything you can. 2 now seriously man people need to point to something here now to try to prove that his so-called caving in and his so-called swooning at any kind of effect at all that can be measured or Quantified. It's just a lot of getting the violins and playing

[Spicoli]

Disappointing and pretty damn disheartening is first to mind. Honestly I have zero confidence in my Presidents leadership and frankly today I do not trust him. He looked Putin in the eyes today and stood before this Nation and instead of defending those before him regarding interference in OUR free elections and those to follow he went completely in for himself, tucked his tail firmly between his legs and pussed out. Clearly, simply and unapologetically he acted a meek compromised man. Believe it or not I get no joy in that.

as to 'lets just see what happens'...we're seeing it. It's happening right in front of us. FFS we are detrimentally stuck as far as Trump is concerned to either relive, reargue, remake what has already happened years ago or 'what may happen'. Well keep it in mind men set patterns and have history and dictators know how to manipulate other men in power. All the while I see more and more ignoring the now and present day.

Don't forget the North Korean debacle. Trump announces he's solved the NK problem and Americans can sleep easy, he's ended the nuclear threat. Then we hear that NK are expanding their nuclear facilities. Then the Secretary of State turns up to meet Kim and Kim decides to visit a potato farm instead of turning up. Some General sits in for him and calls the Trump administration a bunch of gangsters afterwards. Americans who were there say the meeting went as badly as it could have gone. Then at another meeting to arrange the return of the remains of US soldiers the NKs don't even turn up leaving the Americans sitting there. If the previous president had done this and was still claiming things were going well I can only imagine...........

Can't argue with that. The indicators were there prior to the meeting flop. They cancelled two scheduled phone calls and the meet was also delayed prior. The aftermath is actual and factual, not some numpty 'fake news'. That agreement was basically written on a napkin with next to zero specifics and denuclearization was never a focus. And out comes the Nobel peace prize talk . My god why does that feel like 15 yrs ago. He's essentially gone from a hard line prior to meet of 'denuclearization should start very quickly' to now 'no time limit'. Also known as kicking the can far down the road while they up production.

[walrus]

He's done some good things and some bad things.

He's made some good decisions that will have a positive impact on the economy.

He's been as bad as any President in dividing the country. If you see a divided country as a good thing, I guess that's your prerogative.

Domestically never was my fear about Trump.

Globally was where most of my concerns lie.


And frankly...... Trump has proven to be Putin's bitch.

By doing what? As compared to who?

The very same policy wonks who used to tout Obama as brilliant want Trump to what? March up to Putin and punch him in the face? What does that achieve? A friendly Putin might be more able or willing to help in Syria or Iran or North Korea....but we're going to toss the very idea of peace aside to have a shooting war with Russia? Yeah that sounds brilliant.

Very same folks scared to death of Trump starting a nuclear war are now bitching about him attempting to get along with Russia......and nobody finds that odd?

We'll see what happens with Putin in the future.

He dedicated how much time and effort to deride some dumb athletes for failing to 'stand up' for America? Today from my eyes, he was no different by failing to do so.

That is a ridiculous comparison.

Russia can go to war with us in any number of ways.....athletes can

Um exactly. Trump likes his low hanging fruit. He can find the metal and moxie to call irrelevant individuals out while wrapping himself in the flag. Or he can slam allies on a world stage to rally his base. More so his voters can do the same and find the voice. But in the eye of Russian leader who he treats like a swooning teen idol more than a serious threat and actor..he caves. He was an empty suit mumbling praise upon him and nodding along and failing to defend the same colors, Republic, law enforcement and personnel. Because why...we have to fear offending master Putin? We mustn't upset or speak even the slightest stern tone to Putin? We don't really think Putin respects that do we? It's laughable. You do not stand on foreign soil before the world and follow along and fail to stand up, in some manner, some way, for the ones who have fought and those who will fight all these 'wars' we talk about. You take a man on his actions, on his conduct and character. Not some mealy mouthed half baked excuse like "I meant would". Honestly...Democrat-Republican-Independent. Terrible episode.

Sorry spics I know that’s the line but not only did trump not roll back Obama’s sanctions but he increased them and expelled more Russian diplomats among other things. The football thing just pissed a lot of us off.

[Spicoli]

Spicoli this seems like a lot of something out of nothing. It seems like people are saying the sky is falling here. I can't find anything at all any causal thing here at all no cause and effect nothing concrete anything you can. 2 now seriously man people need to point to something here now to try to prove that his so-called caving in and his so-called swooning at any kind of effect at all that can be measured or Quantified. It's just a lot of getting the violins and playing

Look into your own party. Turns out they are not all sheep and some chose to speak truth to power in sighting him siding against his Intelligence agencies, Administration officials and for some, his oath of office. Really not that complicated.

[Spicoli]

He's done some good things and some bad things.

He's made some good decisions that will have a positive impact on the economy.

He's been as bad as any President in dividing the country. If you see a divided country as a good thing, I guess that's your prerogative.

Domestically never was my fear about Trump.

Globally was where most of my concerns lie.


And frankly...... Trump has proven to be Putin's bitch.

By doing what? As compared to who?

The very same policy wonks who used to tout Obama as brilliant want Trump to what? March up to Putin and punch him in the face? What does that achieve? A friendly Putin might be more able or willing to help in Syria or Iran or North Korea....but we're going to toss the very idea of peace aside to have a shooting war with Russia? Yeah that sounds brilliant.

Very same folks scared to death of Trump starting a nuclear war are now bitching about him attempting to get along with Russia......and nobody finds that odd?

We'll see what happens with Putin in the future.

He dedicated how much time and effort to deride some dumb athletes for failing to 'stand up' for America? Today from my eyes, he was no different by failing to do so.

That is a ridiculous comparison.

Russia can go to war with us in any number of ways.....athletes can

Um exactly. Trump likes his low hanging fruit. He can find the metal and moxie to call irrelevant individuals out while wrapping himself in the flag. Or he can slam allies on a world stage to rally his base. More so his voters can do the same and find the voice. But in the eye of Russian leader who he treats like a swooning teen idol more than a serious threat and actor..he caves. He was an empty suit mumbling praise upon him and nodding along and failing to defend the same colors, Republic, law enforcement and personnel. Because why...we have to fear offending master Putin? We mustn't upset or speak even the slightest stern tone to Putin? We don't really think Putin respects that do we? It's laughable. You do not stand on foreign soil before the world and follow along and fail to stand up, in some manner, some way, for the ones who have fought and those who will fight all these 'wars' we talk about. You take a man on his actions, on his conduct and character. Not some mealy mouthed half baked excuse like "I meant would". Honestly...Democrat-Republican-Independent. Terrible episode.

Sorry spics I know that’s the line but not only did trump not roll back Obama’s sanctions but he increased them and expelled more Russian diplomats among other things. The football thing just pissed a lot of us off.

Obama is not the President bud. The whole internal competition Trump keeps us rutted in about numbers and talking points falls flat when you stand next to a man and fluff him up. Diplomats-intent and attack can be replaced when you fail to stand for something.

[walrus]

He's done some good things and some bad things.

He's made some good decisions that will have a positive impact on the economy.

He's been as bad as any President in dividing the country. If you see a divided country as a good thing, I guess that's your prerogative.

Domestically never was my fear about Trump.

Globally was where most of my concerns lie.


And frankly...... Trump has proven to be Putin's bitch.

By doing what? As compared to who?

The very same policy wonks who used to tout Obama as brilliant want Trump to what? March up to Putin and punch him in the face? What does that achieve? A friendly Putin might be more able or willing to help in Syria or Iran or North Korea....but we're going to toss the very idea of peace aside to have a shooting war with Russia? Yeah that sounds brilliant.

Very same folks scared to death of Trump starting a nuclear war are now bitching about him attempting to get along with Russia......and nobody finds that odd?

We'll see what happens with Putin in the future.

He dedicated how much time and effort to deride some dumb athletes for failing to 'stand up' for America? Today from my eyes, he was no different by failing to do so.

That is a ridiculous comparison.

Russia can go to war with us in any number of ways.....athletes can

Um exactly. Trump likes his low hanging fruit. He can find the metal and moxie to call irrelevant individuals out while wrapping himself in the flag. Or he can slam allies on a world stage to rally his base. More so his voters can do the same and find the voice. But in the eye of Russian leader who he treats like a swooning teen idol more than a serious threat and actor..he caves. He was an empty suit mumbling praise upon him and nodding along and failing to defend the same colors, Republic, law enforcement and personnel. Because why...we have to fear offending master Putin? We mustn't upset or speak even the slightest stern tone to Putin? We don't really think Putin respects that do we? It's laughable. You do not stand on foreign soil before the world and follow along and fail to stand up, in some manner, some way, for the ones who have fought and those who will fight all these 'wars' we talk about. You take a man on his actions, on his conduct and character. Not some mealy mouthed half baked excuse like "I meant would". Honestly...Democrat-Republican-Independent. Terrible episode.

Sorry spics I know that’s the line but not only did trump not roll back Obama’s sanctions but he increased them and expelled more Russian diplomats among other things. The football thing just pissed a lot of us off.

Obama is not the President bud. The whole internal competition Trump keeps us rutted in about numbers and talking points falls flat when you stand next to a man and fluff him up. Diplomats-intent and attack can be replaced when you fail to stand for something.

thats not was i was saying bud. If he was in Putin’s pocket he wouldn’t have gone beyond Obama’s sanctions he increased them, plus kicking out more diplomats and closing consulates, got it bud? Nothing to do with obama being pres or not bud

[walrus]

He's done some good things and some bad things.

He's made some good decisions that will have a positive impact on the economy.

He's been as bad as any President in dividing the country. If you see a divided country as a good thing, I guess that's your prerogative.

Domestically never was my fear about Trump.

Globally was where most of my concerns lie.


And frankly...... Trump has proven to be Putin's bitch.

By doing what? As compared to who?

The very same policy wonks who used to tout Obama as brilliant want Trump to what? March up to Putin and punch him in the face? What does that achieve? A friendly Putin might be more able or willing to help in Syria or Iran or North Korea....but we're going to toss the very idea of peace aside to have a shooting war with Russia? Yeah that sounds brilliant.

Very same folks scared to death of Trump starting a nuclear war are now bitching about him attempting to get along with Russia......and nobody finds that odd?

We'll see what happens with Putin in the future.

He dedicated how much time and effort to deride some dumb athletes for failing to 'stand up' for America? Today from my eyes, he was no different by failing to do so.

That is a ridiculous comparison.

Russia can go to war with us in any number of ways.....athletes can

Um exactly. Trump likes his low hanging fruit. He can find the metal and moxie to call irrelevant individuals out while wrapping himself in the flag. Or he can slam allies on a world stage to rally his base. More so his voters can do the same and find the voice. But in the eye of Russian leader who he treats like a swooning teen idol more than a serious threat and actor..he caves. He was an empty suit mumbling praise upon him and nodding along and failing to defend the same colors, Republic, law enforcement and personnel. Because why...we have to fear offending master Putin? We mustn't upset or speak even the slightest stern tone to Putin? We don't really think Putin respects that do we? It's laughable. You do not stand on foreign soil before the world and follow along and fail to stand up, in some manner, some way, for the ones who have fought and those who will fight all these 'wars' we talk about. You take a man on his actions, on his conduct and character. Not some mealy mouthed half baked excuse like "I meant would". Honestly...Democrat-Republican-Independent. Terrible episode.

Sorry spics I know that’s the line but not only did trump not roll back Obama’s sanctions but he increased them and expelled more Russian diplomats among other things. The football thing just pissed a lot of us off.

Obama is not the President bud. The whole internal competition Trump keeps us rutted in about numbers and talking points falls flat when you stand next to a man and fluff him up. Diplomats-intent and attack can be replaced when you fail to stand for something.

thats not was i was saying bud. If he was in Putin’s pocket he wouldn’t have gone beyond Obama’s sanctions he increased them, plus kicking out more diplomats and closing consulates, got it bud? Nothing to do with obama being pres or not bud

i think I used bud too much

[walrus]

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration took one of its most aggressive actions against Russia on Friday, announcing sweeping sanctions against members of Russian President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, along with top officials and several businesses, including a state-owned weapons trading company.

Senior U.S. administration officials said the sanctions are not aimed to punish Moscow for any particular event, but are instead a broader measure aimed at the "totality of the Russian government's ongoing and increasingly malign activities in the world."

The Treasury Department, in connection with the State Department, targeted seven Russian oligarchs and 12 companies they own or control. It also issued sanctions on 17 senior government officials, along with a state-owned weapons trading company and its subsidiary, a Russian bank.