The Wilder Excuses Begin

[brocktonblockbust]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Hi as an American and quite glad that Tyson Fury did what he did and I'm quite proud of Tyson Fury for overcoming the Prejudice that he had to face from so many people around the world. I am also proud of Anthony Joshua four ending Wladimir klitschko's long and successful career and for getting up from that cracking 6 round knock down. I am glad that the British are holding those titles.

Shouldn’t that be “for” ? Am I right in saying you’re supposedly and English teacher?

Primo my cousin I use Google text-to-speech sometimes and the number four and the word for are homonyms and the text-to-speech often interpolates one askance the other

[Primo Carnera]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Hi as an American and quite glad that Tyson Fury did what he did and I'm quite proud of Tyson Fury for overcoming the Prejudice that he had to face from so many people around the world. I am also proud of Anthony Joshua four ending Wladimir klitschko's long and successful career and for getting up from that cracking 6 round knock down. I am glad that the British are holding those titles.

Shouldn’t that be “for” ? Am I right in saying you’re supposedly and English teacher?

Primo my cousin I use Google text-to-speech sometimes and the number four and the word for are homonyms and the text-to-speech often interpolates one askance the other

Sounds plausible enough to me. Well, when you compare it to Ronnie boy’s “net worth gate” , it makes perfect sense.

[Beanz]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Hi as an American and quite glad that Tyson Fury did what he did and I'm quite proud of Tyson Fury for overcoming the Prejudice that he had to face from so many people around the world. I am also proud of Anthony Joshua four ending Wladimir klitschko's long and successful career and for getting up from that cracking 6 round knock down. I am glad that the British are holding those titles.

Shouldn’t that be “for” ? Am I right in saying you’re supposedly and English teacher?

Primo my cousin I use Google text-to-speech sometimes and the number four and the word for are homonyms and the text-to-speech often interpolates one askance the other

Sounds plausible enough to me. Well, when you compare it to Ronnie boy’s “net worth gate” , it makes perfect sense.

Is that the same Ron you were backing to the hilt and quoting IN HUGE BOLD LETTERS ? God you are tiresome and duplicitous.


For all that I disagree with Ron. The guy is a 100% bona fide Boxing fan.

[Ron Swanson]

So, you still don’t fancy answering the question? I tell you what, I’m gonna address your issues one by one, and then please answer that one question!

I've never been through Eddie's books. I have no clue so I just looked at the evidence.

But what do you believe ? The “evidence” you posted (net worth $2.5 million) or the “evidence” I posted (Net worth £20 million.) ?

That's what you refuse to do look at the evidence. If you said you would fight for 50 million why not agree to 50 million?
Eddie never agreed to 50 million because Eddie NEVER EVER MENTIONED 50 million

I have left you many questions you ignore them.
such as ? Crack on, ask away. But answer ONE FUCKING QUESTION FIRST.

Hey you claim I don't answer yours. Show me one I haven't answered,
The one above!

I can show you 10 you haven't. So you do exactly what you accuse me of.

Again, crack on, ask away.

How about the question long ago, if the money is agreed does the fight happen? Are you going to ever answer that? I don't think you will because it doesn't suit your argument

The fight happens if EVERYTHING is agreed. You wouldn’t buy a car or a house or even a cable TV deal without a contract , but you expect Hearn to agree to the money without a contract?stop being a fucking clown. “ ok we agree to the deal. Wait a minute, the contract says AJ has to have a wank in public every day till the fight!

Or is the money the biggest issue to getting the fight done?
No. I think the only issue is that Hearn is negotiating with a bunch of fucking clowns!
Asked long ago, not answered. But doesn't suit your argument so you never answered. Again, exactly what you accuse me of.
Yeah, but I’m answering and you’re not.

So ahain, you make accusations to distract, show the questions I haven't answered. And I'll kindly wait for you to answer the laundry list of questions I aSked

Ok. Question answered, box ticked, now PLEASE ANSWER ONE FUCKING QUESTION!

I've answered the question about 5 times. I don't know his net worth! So I think he has more money than that, yes, more assets than that, yes. But that isn't how net worth is figured. What loans does he have, I don't know. I said fine he has 20 million(your article), slightly more than Wilder.

You ignore Eddie just asked Wilder to agree to a crap deal exactly the same as the good deal they aSked Eddie to accept. You maKe up nonsense about the contract that comes could be about haVing a yank because that's all your side can do because of you stick to the facts you're on the wrong side.

Agreements are made all the time BEFORE contracts. There is no reason to spend many billed hours on a drafted contract if a guy won't agree to what they aSked for. MaYbe Eddie didn't ask for 50 million but Joshua did. It's Eddie's job to get Joshua what he asked for. But EDdie doesn't want the fight unless he is in charge of it. Fair plaY to him. Good business for him. But it doesn't help us have the fight qUicker. What gets us the fight qUicker is agreeing to a good deal aNd negotiating.

Stop talking aBout yanks, and other seXual VS and stay on topic. Oh waIt, caN't stay on topic and be right. Let's tell more lies, that's fun. Let's go in circles about building that haS nothing to do with a fight like EDdie's little puppets. You guys win. I give up, you give fuck all about the facts aNd want to talk aBout Joshua masturbating, very relevant, very weird.

So like I said, if You TRULY BELIEVE the net worth you posted , then you're a fool! however, I know You're not a fool as you admitted that you DON'T TRULY BELIEVE the net worth you posted.
So that means you posted a link you DIDN'T BELIEVE because it helped your point.
Because I cannot understand WHY somebody would post a link that they didn't believe , there is no more reason to discuss this with you. carry on posting desperate post after desperate post if you like, but it won't hide the fact that you have to use fake news to deflect from your weak argument.
anyway, all the best.
ps, really don't know what "yanks and Sexual VS" is all about, but.............

It really seems you don’t understand Net Worth. You can have 50 million in cash and assets and if you are smart your Net Worth is only a few million. If you have 50 million and your Net Worth is 50 million you are a very stupid person giving away money. Do you think Eddie Hearn is a stupid person giving away money?

And again, has nothing to do with not agreeing with a fight. But far more relevant than you talking about Joshua masturbating.

Again with the smokescreens. YOU ADMITTED that the net worth figure that I posted was far more believable than the one you posted. Therefore you tried to use the ridiculously low net worth figure you posted for, as GGG would say, “Big drama show!”
I am fully aware how net fucking worth works, thank you, and stop trying to make out I’m sort of cabbage, trust me all you’re doing is making yourself look like a cabbage.
The net worth was a meaningless smokescreen (by you) and was irrelevant as Hearn was representing SKY/Matchroom and seeing as they were stumping up the cash , it is their net worth that is relevant.
It’s nothing to do with the fight, it’s to do with you snaking around pathetically trying to put meaningless and false quotes into the debate to make you look like you remotely have a point.
The very fact that you have posted so much and against so many people on this thread proves how desperate and futile your argument is.
Fuck me, the last time I responded to such an irrational poster on this site was @ross with his Fury ball licking.
Either come up with something fresh or let it go, cos quite frankly, you’re making yourself look silly.

Eddie brought it up with his getting an offer from some guy in Alabama. Not me. It’s Eddie’s smokescreen. Just like pretending he’s only talking to Wilder, then later admitting he had another email from Finkel later in the interview. The problem is Eddie talks out of both sides of his mouth and nobody says “wait Eddie, you just said”. It was Eddie’s smokescreen to pretend they were concerned about if they could get the money. Anyone with a brain above a dog knows they can get the money.

Or Eddie’s smokescreen about concern that they might put the fight in Dubai, none of the people involved have ever put a fight in Dubai. Everyone knew they would put the fight in New York or Vegas, why pretend you’re concerned about Dubai? Smokescreen

If you want to only agree to the money you can put an addendum on the offer that you are only agreeing to the money, why pretend you’re worried they will make Joshua masturbate in front of a crowd, smokescreen

If you folks would stop talking about nonsense like Joshua jerking off, unknown locations when locations are known, agreements that in fact were not agreed, and on and on it could be a productive conversation. At this point we’re all just jerking off. But that’s what we talk about right? Let’s talk more about Joshua jerking off because it’s so relevant

Did Eddie Mention Net Worth ? thought not.

Now we are going to pretend we didn't know what Eddie was implying? You sure like playing pretend

[Ron Swanson]

Sorry Ron but Primo made a throwaway comment about AJ having a wank, you have mentioned it at least 5 times on this page alone....there is only one person who seems to want to discuss AJ's masturbational habits here.

Perhaps if you read what Primo has been doing making this who thing about Net Worth rather than money in fights you would understand why I keep repeating his falic fixation.

[Ron Swanson]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

[TitoFan]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

I'll just try to get a word in edgewise in the "Ron and Primo Show" to say that IMO there's nothing wrong with nationalism in boxing. In fact, you (Ron) are displaying some of it by defending Wilder come hell or high water. Nothing wrong with that. I just happen to think nobody is ducking anyone here, but Hearn and his followers are throwing Wilder a bone and expecting him to wag his tail and thank him for the table scraps. Still, I'm very passionate and supportive about my own countrymen champions. Not to mention mostly proud, because very rarely is one of my countrymen involved in high profile cheating a la Clenelo, Margacheato, etc. Nothing wrong with rooting for your own. It makes championship boxing that much more exciting. That's not to say I don't root for other nationalities, because of course I do. That's where the individual and his qualities come in.

You guys have certainly gone the extra mile in your respective defenses of Wilder's and Joshua's teams, but in the end none of it matters one damn bit. It all boils down to Hearn thinking Wilder isn't worth as much as Wilder believes he is. That's all. They're gonna push and shove, apparently very publicly..... and all of us fans are going to side with one side or the other. In the end, they might end up fighting other people before they themselves meet. They've got the youth, so I'm not worried about that part. That one of them might lose on their way to the mega payday..... yeah, but that's boxing for you. I just hope if they end up facing mandatories, that they survive them, so we can get this matchup at some point with both of them still undefeated.

[Ron Swanson]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

I'll just try to get a word in edgewise in the "Ron and Primo Show" to say that IMO there's nothing wrong with nationalism in boxing. In fact, you (Ron) are displaying some of it by defending Wilder come hell or high water. Nothing wrong with that. I just happen to think nobody is ducking anyone here, but Hearn and his followers are throwing Wilder a bone and expecting him to wag his tail and thank him for the table scraps. Still, I'm very passionate and supportive about my own countrymen champions. Not to mention mostly proud, because very rarely is one of my countrymen involved in high profile cheating a la Clenelo, Margacheato, etc. Nothing wrong with rooting for your own. It makes championship boxing that much more exciting. That's not to say I don't root for other nationalities, because of course I do. That's where the individual and his qualities come in.

You guys have certainly gone the extra mile in your respective defenses of Wilder's and Joshua's teams, but in the end none of it matters one damn bit. It all boils down to Hearn thinking Wilder isn't worth as much as Wilder believes he is. That's all. They're gonna push and shove, apparently very publicly..... and all of us fans are going to side with one side or the other. In the end, they might end up fighting other people before they themselves meet. They've got the youth, so I'm not worried about that part. That one of them might lose on their way to the mega payday..... yeah, but that's boxing for you. I just hope if they end up facing mandatories, that they survive them, so we can get this matchup at some point with both of them still undefeated.

It's not nationalism man, I will be rooting hard for AJ when they fight. Just, one side is not being real about what the other brings. Hearn said today it brings 500k PPV sales in the US. AJ didn't do 500 on free tv(in US) in any fight other than Wlad. Wilder consistently gets great ratings. To suggest it does 500k PPV in U.S. admits Wilders value, so be honest about it. Don't say nobody knows him, the numbers show that isn't true. Acknowledge his worth, pay his worth and kick his arse.

[brocktonblockbust]

Wilder can deliver 50 mil based on PPV, hell take THAT Instagram deal to the BANK, bitches!

[Ron Swanson]

Interesting interview where Eddie slips up at the end. "The offer, if in the UK, would be very hard to turn down" but Eddie, you said there were all these other issues. When you talk to much you reveal yourself Eddie. The problem wasn't really with the offer and you've admitted it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMW_4lb-hI

[Fenster]

Venue, Ron. Venue? The only slip ups are coming from you. He said the exact same as all the other interviews, is it America or UK? New York, Vegas or Alabama? Nobody knows because they refused to meet him.

You are/were wrong to call him a fibber over that.

It's a hard offer to turn down in the UK because he KNOWS the market. He KNOWS what the fight is worth. He doesn't have to gamble out of position. It's clearly a hard offer to turndown in the US too, hence his desire to negotiate.

[Fenster]

And as for the PPV? By his estimation doing 500,000 in America is optimistic. He orginally thought 300,000 but as Team Wilder are banking on 1 million he'll go with that.

There's no EVIDENCE that a great matchup will equal big PPV numbers - Ward-Kovalev, Golovkin-Jacobs did less than 200,000. In recent years only TWO proven stars, who spent years being built for PPV have broke a million - Floyd, and Canelo with the huge Latino market.

This, Ron, falls in line exactly with what YOU have said several times, and what has been said earlier in this thread several times about the over-optimistic 100 million pot gamble. Joshua is NOT a star in the States (as you said) and Wilder has NEVER done a PPV (no bigger a star than Wlad which didn't generate 100 million).

This is basic common sense.

[Primo Carnera]

This thread illustrates perfectly how bitter some US fight fans are that the major force in World Boxing is the UK.
We also have the worlds best promoter who not only has the best stable of fighters in the world but also puts on events in your back yard (when he's not busy signing or pitching your fighters)
Wilder is a fool and should sign with Hearn and start getting proper paydays

Who cares where fighters are from? All that matters is that fights happen. Nationalism is silly. There are great boxers all around the world. Rooting for a country is so limited. I became a fan of the sport watching Nigel Benn on ABCs wide world of sports. I couldn't stay up late enough to watch the American stars of the time so didn't grow up with any concern over country. Only sport. We're supposed to be boxing fans not country fans.

If the UK starts putting on the best fights, great. We got the best fights

I'll just try to get a word in edgewise in the "Ron and Primo Show" to say that IMO there's nothing wrong with nationalism in boxing. In fact, you (Ron) are displaying some of it by defending Wilder come hell or high water. Nothing wrong with that. I just happen to think nobody is ducking anyone here, but Hearn and his followers are throwing Wilder a bone and expecting him to wag his tail and thank him for the table scraps. Still, I'm very passionate and supportive about my own countrymen champions. Not to mention mostly proud, because very rarely is one of my countrymen involved in high profile cheating a la Clenelo, Margacheato, etc. Nothing wrong with rooting for your own. It makes championship boxing that much more exciting. That's not to say I don't root for other nationalities, because of course I do. That's where the individual and his qualities come in.

You guys have certainly gone the extra mile in your respective defenses of Wilder's and Joshua's teams, but in the end none of it matters one damn bit. It all boils down to Hearn thinking Wilder isn't worth as much as Wilder believes he is. That's all. They're gonna push and shove, apparently very publicly..... and all of us fans are going to side with one side or the other. In the end, they might end up fighting other people before they themselves meet. They've got the youth, so I'm not worried about that part. That one of them might lose on their way to the mega payday..... yeah, but that's boxing for you. I just hope if they end up facing mandatories, that they survive them, so we can get this matchup at some point with both of them still undefeated.

@TitoFan , I can totally see where you're coming from and how tiresome this has been. So I'm gonna do the decent thing and not comment any further on this subject until something fresh happens.

[Ron Swanson]

And as for the PPV? By his estimation doing 500,000 in America is optimistic. He orginally thought 300,000 but as Team Wilder are banking on 1 million he'll go with that.

There's no EVIDENCE that a great matchup will equal big PPV numbers - Ward-Kovalev, Golovkin-Jacobs did less than 200,000. In recent years only TWO proven stars, who spent years being built for PPV have broke a million - Floyd, and Canelo with the huge Latino market.

This, Ron, falls in line exactly with what YOU have said several times, and what has been said earlier in this thread several times about the over-optimistic 100 million pot gamble. Joshua is NOT a star in the States (as you said) and Wilder has NEVER done a PPV (no bigger a star than Wlad which didn't generate 100 million).

This is basic common sense.

And Eddie would sit with no risk what so ever by simply agreeing to THE MONEY. THE MONEY.

Eddie admits it makes more in the US. So agreeing to that money in the U.K. means they keep it all. Anyone agrees to all the money and home advantage. Of course Wilder wants home advantage too. That’s not deniable. The difference is he is offering money for it.

All this talk blindly skips what everyone should see. Eddie just wants even more out of it. Good business. The interest is building. Good business. But fans shouldn’t make up stuff to get around this. Fans shouldn’t back nonsense like verbal agreements are binding in New York. It’s a silly distraction. First it’s not true. Verbal agreements plus consideration are binding. Not just New York, distraction to make it seem like a risk. Verbal agreements plus consideration are binding everywhere in the USA. Meaning agreeing to the money is no risk. If Eddie said “everything we’re doing right now is building the fight” I’d be “okay, he’s being honest about what they’re doing” I just don’t want fans arguing over nonsense and lies like verbal agreements are binding. Argue over the truth.

And I want the fight

[Ron Swanson]

What a verbal agreement plus consideration means is I can say “I’m going to pay you 50$ for work” you say okay. It means nothing. Except we’ve agreed on the money.

But if we then work out the details of the work and you take the money but don’t do the work we’ve agreed I can take you to court and I will win