Prime George Foreman vs. Prime Joe Louis.

[VG_Addict]

Who would win? Louis could outbox Foreman, but Louis had a weak chin. If Galento could drop Louis, Foreman could KO him.

[Master]

Foreman has a size, height and reach advantage. He was naturally bigger and probably the biggest power puncher heavyweight champion ever.

Joe would have to avoid the big punches early, as he was vulnerable, but if it went past 4 rounds Joe could slowly batter the wild and cumbersome Foreman. Joe had a beautiful jab and threw crisp straight punches and vicious hooks.

Heart says Joe, head says George who may have caught Joe eventually.

Even if he was able to beat Louis does not make him greater than Joe Louis as his record of the most defences is the best and in his own time he achieved more than big George.

[El Kabong]

Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time, he would cut Foreman down.

[Master]

Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time, he would cut Foreman down.

No he is not, he is second to Muhammed Ali, but still do not think he would beat Foreman or even the super heavyweights of today from Lewis, Nose and Vitali. However he is still greater than them for what he acheived in his time period and what was put in front of him.

[El Kabong]

Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time, he would cut Foreman down.

No he is not, he is second to Muhammed Ali, but still do not think he would beat Foreman or even the super heavyweights of today from Lewis, Nose and Vitali. However he is still greater than them for what he acheived in his time period and what was put in front of him.

Make the case for Ali being greater than Joe Louis. I'll make Joe Louis' case, 25 consecutive successful title defenses (the most ever) and that was with him missing 2 entire years of his prime to serve the United States in WW2, and he accomplished all that while having to basically walk a tight rope in the public eye, no pictures with white women, no smiling, no gloating over opponents, and some other crazy ass "rules" his management and society expected him to live by.

Joe Louis had power in both hands, he had a hell of a chin, he had fast hands, ACCURATE punches, he was a master of managing distance, 66 wins 52 KO's and he fought anyone and everyone of the era ducking nobody. He could beat damn near anyone put in front of him.


Who the hell is "Nose"?

[Master]

Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time, he would cut Foreman down.

No he is not, he is second to Muhammed Ali, but still do not think he would beat Foreman or even the super heavyweights of today from Lewis, Nose and Vitali. However he is still greater than them for what he acheived in his time period and what was put in front of him.

Make the case for Ali being greater than Joe Louis. I'll make Joe Louis' case, 25 consecutive successful title defenses (the most ever) and that was with him missing 2 entire years of his prime to serve the United States in WW2, and he accomplished all that while having to basically walk a tight rope in the public eye, no pictures with white women, no smiling, no gloating over opponents, and some other crazy ass "rules" his management and society expected him to live by.

Joe Louis had power in both hands, he had a hell of a chin, he had fast hands, ACCURATE punches, he was a master of managing distance, 66 wins 52 KO's and he fought anyone and everyone of the era ducking nobody. He could beat damn near anyone put in front of him.


Who the hell is "Nose"?

Ali beat at least 3 great champions in Liston, Frazier and Foreman so had better competition to contend with in his era probably the best era ever. Ali prime was taken away from him as well. Ali was not knocked out and lose his fight as a contender. Ali was not vulnerable early in fights and could not be outboxed by a light heavyweight.


Nose was automatically correct for Bowe.

[El Kabong]

Ali beat at least 3 great champions in Liston, Frazier and Foreman so had better competition to contend with in his era probably the best era ever. Ali prime was taken away from him as well. Ali was not knocked out and lose his fight as a contender. Ali was not vulnerable early in fights and could not be outboxed by a light heavyweight.


Nose was automatically correct for Bowe.

Liston was great? He beat Patterson for the belt, beat Patterson in the rematch and then lost the belt never to win it again or compete at the highest level again.

Joe Frazier beat Ali in their first match....he was at that point a 1 armed fighter with only a jab and left hook to his arsenal.

George Foreman beat the dog shit out of Frazier and then was immediately beaten by Ali....and what nobody complains about those ropes?

Ali lost the title a few times...Joe Louis lost it once, after holding it from 1937 to 1950 and again from 1942-1944 Joe Louis had 0 title fights so with his 'Bum of The Month Club' he could have had maybe 30 or 40 consecutive successful title defenses.

Riddick Bowe doesn't even deserve to be mentioned with Joe Louis. Riddick Bowe fought 1 great heavyweight ever, held a gigantic size and health advantage over him at the time and still lost one of the 3 fights. Only fight worth a damn he took outside the Golota fights and Golota SHOULD have beaten the shit out of Bowe.

Sure bring up Conn..."could not be outboxed by a light heavyweight"....oh I'm sorry winner by KO Joe Louis.

Joe Louis would be too much for George Foreman, he could box better than George and he had a quicker straighter delivery of his punches. If Ron Lyle could put George on the canvas then you had better believe Joe Louis would have!


Ali is overrated as hell.

[Master]

If Ali was around Liston may have been champion for a long time.

Joe Frazier beat Ali in their first match because Ali probably took the fight too soon and he won the other 2 fights.

No shame for George Foreman to lose to the greatest, Foreman may have been champion for a long time.

Ali did not lose when he was young, up and coming.

Ali had the perfect style to beat Joe. He would out box him for 12 or 15 rounds and because he was much bigger he could take his punches and probably get the stoppage.

[El Kabong]

If Ali was around Liston may have been champion for a long time.

Joe Frazier beat Ali in their first match because Ali probably took the fight too soon and he won the other 2 fights.

No shame for George Foreman to lose to the greatest, Foreman may have been champion for a long time.

Ali did not lose when he was young, up and coming.

Ali had the perfect style to beat Joe. He would out box him for 12 or 15 rounds and because he was much bigger he could take his punches and probably get the stoppage.

If that's what you think it's what you think....if Ali could get floored by Frazier and rocked by Cooper then if Joe Louis gets Ali in trouble (and you're in trouble with Joe Louis if you're standing in the ring) then I think Joe Louis hammers the piss out of him.


besides this is not Ali-Louis this is Foreman-Louis we're talking here Prime vs Prime.

[Spicoli]

Be a great contrast in composure and self awareness. Louis was a picture of refined punching potency compared to early free swinging Foreman. Definitely not saying Foreman couldn't badly hurt him but see Louis punching in between his many defensive gaps as the storm dissipates down the stretch.

[El Kabong]

Older Foreman has a better shot....what a battle that would have been!

[powerpuncher]

I could see it going either way, but if I had to put money on it I would go with Louis. Louis showed to have a weaker chin, but he did fight bigger fighters during his day and just exposed their flaws. I think that Louis would have been able to punch through the defense of Foreman and keep him off balance. He could have worn him out too.

Foreman obviously had the power to really hurt Louis so that is always a huge factor. He would make Louis much more hesitant to counter for fear of getting hit with another counter.

[Master]

Older Foreman has a better shot....what a battle that would have been!

Young Foreman would be more formidable but older George was wiser and smarter who gave Holyfield a very hard time. George Foreman's chin is very underrated.

[El Kabong]

Older Foreman has a better shot....what a battle that would have been!

Young Foreman would be more formidable but older George was wiser and smarter who gave Holyfield a very hard time. George Foreman's chin is very underrated.

George always had the power it was just how he managed to deliver it changed...Old Foreman had a great jab and a chopping right cross which could fell a rhinoceros but he was immobile. Young George was very wild and wide with his punches mainly hooks and uppercuts. Those punches are slower than the 1-2 so he could have been beaten to the punch against somebody who threw sharply.

If Young George had the brain of Old George then he would have been the best heavyweight ever.....a George Foreman who was patient and made every punch count would have handled Ali quite easily, it wouldn't have taken him long to put 2 and 2 together and seen that Ali was making him gas out and Ali was fighting in spurts...pawing jab, wait for Ali to come out of his shell and THEN land the crushing right cross.....that would have been goodnight sweetheart.

Young George wasn't dumb, he was just over confident in his natural ability. The way he fought Frazier was perfect.

[Master]

Older Foreman has a better shot....what a battle that would have been!

Young Foreman would be more formidable but older George was wiser and smarter who gave Holyfield a very hard time. George Foreman's chin is very underrated.

George always had the power it was just how he managed to deliver it changed...Old Foreman had a great jab and a chopping right cross which could fell a rhinoceros but he was immobile. Young George was very wild and wide with his punches mainly hooks and uppercuts. Those punches are slower than the 1-2 so he could have been beaten to the punch against somebody who threw sharply.

If Young George had the brain of Old George then he would have been the best heavyweight ever.....a George Foreman who was patient and made every punch count would have handled Ali quite easily, it wouldn't have taken him long to put 2 and 2 together and seen that Ali was making him gas out and Ali was fighting in spurts...pawing jab, wait for Ali to come out of his shell and THEN land the crushing right cross.....that would have been goodnight sweetheart.

Young George wasn't dumb, he was just over confident in his natural ability. The way he fought Frazier was perfect.

I am sure Ali was giving as good as he got and was winning the fight against George.