What I mean is some people are saying that because the heel of the Japanese fighter landing on the forward foot of the Dominican fighter that he was not able to then pivot to get all of his power into the right hand. And that case I'm assuming that he got maybe two thirds of the power that he had been intending and yet still it knocked the Dominican fighter out almost knocked out cold. I shudder to think the way that right hand may have landed have the Japanese been able to get the full twist of his waist and ass into the punch
Not sure what you guys are watching, but Inoue didn't stand on Payano's foot.
Last edited by Alpha; 10-12-2018 at 06:20 AM.
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Pivoting didn't imply him moving to a different location and it doesn't imply movement of the foot. He moved out of line of the right hand when he stepped inside payano's foot behind his own jab. Pac maybe does the step around in the Bradley gif. But the rest demonstrate that he's doing the same thing done here, which is following behind his jab/ or flash the jab.. and the important part is rolling the rear foot off the outside edge to the inside toe in order pivot/turn off that front foot into the punch. His body turns at the waist and shoulders (would have been knee also if their knees didnt collide-- which also kept payano from turning away. Different storry if Inoue doesnt get his foot inside). The right hand starts outside inoues right foot and ends outside his left foot without fully extension. It comes across it own body and makes contact over his left toe (roughly) and swings his rear foot out of line. The lines of travel before and after he makes contact are perpendicular. That doesnt happen unless you come around and pivot off that the lead foot. Plus having 2 straight punches land on the same Target (roughly situated in the same spot) and landing at 2 different angles thrown from the same spot doesnt happen unless something turns. in between the first and second.
In a strange way I beleieve we're saying the same thing, but just view it differently. I think you consider pivoting an isolated foot movement with a quarter turn, no punches needed or punches after. This prompts a reaction from your opponent and tells then where your shots are coming from. The process I described seems longs or drawn out or overthought to you but its not. It becomes part of your acting not thinking after you've done it a thousand times as im sure you know.
Step around tends to be more choppy.
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basically, following through with your hip rotation, which is what you should always be doing anyway, lets you hit a broad range of targets.
its also why i believe the boxing axiom that you need to get your foot outside of the foot of the southpaw is really something of a boxing myth.
you can still hit the southpaw with your foot inside of his foot. which is what inoue did. i disagree that he needed to do anything complex to do that though.
hitting a southpaw with your foot inside of his foot doesnt have to require pivoting or stepping or whatever buzz word to get a different angle to land a right hand. the right hand inoue threw looked to me to be a pretty routine right hand up the middle.
looked very similar to the right hand tracy patterson knocked out eddie hopson with.
Last edited by Yuzo; 10-11-2018 at 05:32 PM.
There is no doubt that the Japanese Fighter's heel at the very least stuck against the instep of the lead foot of the Dominican fighter.
You can also see a little bit of a jerk as the Dominican fighter and the Japanese fighter release the tension that resulted from the brief contact of their feet.
it looks like he stepped on his foot to me but at the very least there is a kind of contact which makes a little bit of friction
Think about it. Obviously the forward knee of the Japanese fighter and the forward thigh of the Dominican fighter had to make some kind of contact as both were moving forward and or standing their ground.
The bottom line is it had to impair or impede just a bit the Japanese Fighters shifting of his weight onto his right foot to throw the right. I believe the Japanese Fighters punch was not at full force due to this.
no way is this thread done
INOUE LOOKS IMMEDIATELY AT THE REF CUZ HE FUCKING KNEW HE STEPPED ON THE GUY'S FOOT.
dude seriously, Im freaking out about this, look when the right hand smashes into the guy's chin, the Japanese dude is already looking at the ref EVEN BEFORE HE SEES HIS OPPONENT STARTING TO TOPLLE DOWN, he fucking KNEW HE DID SOMETHING WRONG, I swear check it out, like 2 posts before this one above, he looks at the ref like a little kid would LOOK AT HIS MOM AFTER GETTING CAUGHT WITH HIS HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR.
@Yuzo @Alpha @greynotsoold SERIOUSLY ITS POST #34 ABOVE IN j_UNDISPUTED'S POST, you can really see it from that angle, not from the other one posted after that
***********BAM************* INOUE IS FUCKING CAUGHT RIGHT THERE AND HE KNOWS IT
Don't need to look at anything other than the replay that shows their feet. I posted the fight in the other board, I think it's around the 10 minute mark.
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