Last edited by Fenster; 10-23-2018 at 12:10 AM.
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Rankings change every single week, they are constantly evolving, that's the whole point. You don't get to pick and choose your favourite fighters.
Charlo hasn't done shit at 160. Fact. He doesn't "deserve" special treatment just because he's Ron's favourite guy.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
Since Canelo has been Martirosyan, why? Cost him a belt because he quite literally didn’t take the comers. Canelo again, can’t refuse that money, understandable. Charlo was his mandatory for over a year, when ordered to fight him he filed a petition to avoid, literally again not taking the comers. Looking at Murata, is he the comer? Nobody had Murata as one of the best in the division until GGG wanted him then you have guys like Fenster adjust his rating to top 5. Clearly incorrectly. The dude is 36, when does he take the comers?
The guy seems like a willing guy but his entire career suggests otherwise.
Let’s not forget that he was willing to go to 168 for Steiglitz. But when Ward challenged he was too busy cleaning out 160. But willing to go to 168 for Froch, cleaning out 160. Willing to go to 168 for Chavez, cleaning out 160.
Is 160 cleaned out at all? Most would say the top guys at 160 are
GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Derevyanchenko.
Most would say he didn’t clean out Jacobs, in fact most would say Jacobs deserved a rematch. It will be 2 years since, no rematch. Charlo was his mandatory over a year, no match. Derevyanchenko he lost his belt choosing Martirosyan. Fair play on Canelo but I think we would both agree Jacobs and Charlo are more dangerous to GGG because of size, speed. The literal comers Jacobs, Charlo, Deveryanchenko didn’t get taken.
Understand my point is not that GGG can’t fight or won’t fight. It’s that he has no obligations now so he can take the comers. Fingers crossed he does. I’ve just seen every choice be changed and built so I expect some name to come out of left field and it be built or him to wait on Canelo. Really hope I’m wrong
(As far as the other guy, I don’t really care about Canelo. I think he is a fraud. I’m harder on GGG because I don’t think he is a fraud. If I respect someone I want to see the substance match the accolades)
It blows my mind you all watch this great fighter not realizing his potential and you’re okay with it.
Ron Swanson is like a demented terrier. .. excellent work....
I was quite drunk last night, building a weird tortoise shed with an asian roof, started drinking way too early, Andrade seemed pretty good but the other guy just didn't look good at all.. I could be well wrong though...not sure if hed beat Saunders, he seems to crouch a bit and give up his height advantage. .. I realty hope he does beat Saunders though... can't stand that guy...
I’m saying I watched Murata, he was very sound, looked to have a strong right but no flash and I decided he was basic.
For me to believe a fighter is elite I need to see something that jumps out at me “F that was good”.
Also, I didn’t say I don’t make any predictions. I said hardly any. (Or I misspoke)If I have lots of information on both fighters i’ll generally make a prediction if I’m very confident. Not on mismatches because who cares. But big fights, sure. If I’m not confident I don’t see the value in a prediction. “I don’t know but i’ll Guess and my guess has value” illogical to me. I get why others do it, just doesn’t suit me.
As for the fight, I watched some. No reason really to watch him for me now. I’ll watch 3/4 fights a day if a guy has a big fight coming but if there’s nothing coming and I don’t find the guy entertaining, no reason.
Edit-that was hard to post. Can’t stand talking about myself. Seems like I’m doing that too much so I will probably be posting less. Been a fun bit arguing with you all though
I like the eye test too, but they need to do something in the ring and division they are in, to enforce what we are seeing. There have been many fighters I thought looked fantastic, until running into a better fighter. Murata's win over N'Jikam was better than Charlo's Heiland and Cermeno for many. We all agree Charlo is the better fighter but his record at 160 is lacking.
For example, I think Usyk is a better fighter than most of the guys at heavyweight, but I don't rate him #1 there because his work at the weight doesn't warrant it.
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Crawford is ranked higher P4P than Errol Spence - by everyone in the world - yet Spence is the no.1 rated welterweight. Why? Because Spence has by far the superior form/record/wins at 147. @Ron Swanson
Inoue is a three weight "world" champion P4P-er but was ranked 2nd in the WBSS behind Ryan Burnett. Why? Because Burnett was a unified champion at bantam before Inoue even fought in the division.
I regarded Canelo behind Jacobs and Saunders at middleweight, even though he was lineal after beating a "shot" Cotto, until he proved himself against Golovkin.
These aren't contradictions or inconsistencies @sir Ronald Swanson. It's the fairest most consistent way to judge each division, by simply awarding the men who beat the best fighters.
I hope Charlo gets himself a big fight and proves your eye balls are sharper than a prime Ronnie O'Sullivan at the Crucible, however, everyone has to play by the same rules.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
Ron, you make it sound like GGG was picking "this" and not "that" when talking about 168. You also sound frustrated, and I've heard others be, about his not ever fighting Ward, who would've had to come down from 175. What on Earth would have that accomplished, other than get GGG a predictable one-sided beating from someone much bigger than him and a much better boxer to boot. Going back to some of GGG's comments, all I've seen is him saying at some point that he would go up to 168 if there were good fights to be made. I'm not going to burn him at the stake for that comment. He didn't call out names, saying "uhhh, ok this guy but not that guy". He expressed an interest to fight. Again... I've never seen Golovkin actually duck anyone. I see Abel Sanchez having been quoted saying stuff about Charlo. That, admittedly, is puzzling. I hate it when trainers in general open their big mouths and talk so much bullshit. But again I'm hesitant to dump this all on Golovkin's lap. Maybe I'm softer on him than you are because I compare him against the scourge of boxing. Sort of like Mother Theresa vs. Genghis Khan.
But faith. Golovkin's not done yet. And with any luck, Canelo's Mafia...... er..... I mean...... Mauricio Sulaiman and the WBC will coerce GGG to fight all the nasty opposition that Canelito himself will NEVER FIGHT and always manage to avoid.
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