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    I know enough to understand the issue of excessive use of force from police against young black men is not something that happens in a vacuum. There's no easy fix, there's no simple solution, and there's no 1 root cause either. Oftentimes the police have not covered themselves in glory, but likewise, there are policemen out there who just want to make it through the day and they put up with major bullshit on the regular.

    I believe fatherlessness and lack of a positive male role model is a huge issue in several communities which show a disproportionate level of criminal activity. And hell we can discuss the WHY's and HOW's of fatherlessness and lack of positive male role models for eons! Could be the 'War on Drugs' has seen many nonviolent people locked up, could be the 'War on Poverty' incentivized not getting married and just pumping out babies, could be the Sexual Revolution made premarital sex less of a taboo, could be that certain public schools are absolute shitholes where nobody is able to learn anything they're just trying to survive.


    All those things can and should be discussed, as should militarization of the police force but the agenda put forth by Colin Kaepernick and BLM is a lot more than just "end police killings".....also SOME uses of force and even uses of lethal force are absolutely justified. A fellow I went to high school with was killed by the police and I've got to say the guy EARNED it...you cannot bodyslam a policewoman, show no effects of being tazered by that officer and then expect to not receive live rounds. The guy was always a nice person to me, I never had issue 1 with him or he with me and yeah it's sad he left the world with so much life left to live. I wonder had a MALE officer been first on the scene would the guy still be alive? That's also an issue to discuss.....women I'm sure will perceive life threatening events differently than men.

    There is an idea among certain people that officers can "shoot to wound/maim" and that's just wrong a gun is a deadly weapon and when it is drawn the holder of that weapon should be thinking "once I pull this trigger someone WILL die" not COULD die, not MIGHT die, WILL die. So education in what law enforcement officers face is also something to think about.


    It frustrates me so much that there's a wholehearted push for Communism under the guise of "these cops are evil and they are murdering young black men" .....it's infuriating to me because it glosses over the real issue to promote the worst bullshit possible which is Communism and if you're really worried about police violence, Communism ain't the route you want to go.

    My fixes
    1. 2 parent households & more unified communities who watch after youthful members of their community regardless of color
    2. education (of civilians and police)
    3. jobs, people with good jobs don't typically commit violent crimes or commit to a life of crime
    4. more controlled interactions between police and civilians. more situations in day to day life where police aren't seen as the enemy and don't negatively impact the groups they're supposed to 'protect & serve'
    "Drown in a vat of whiskey.....death where is thy sting?" - W.C. Fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That sounds like socialism to me.
    Po-tay-to po-tah-to


    When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


    That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.
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    Single mothers in predominantly black neighborhoods doing an awful job of raising male children and leaving the problem to the cops.

    Yeah... I hear you. I know enough to understand the issue of the harm this causes on society and the burden it puts on cops. Some of these young women just keep pumping out kids without any regard for society when these kids grow up to be less than stellar individuals.

    All that does is underscore the need to adjust the police force accordingly. Like I said before... more training... better screening... more accountability... more use of non-lethal, incapacitating weapons... mandatory body cams for every cop. Like you said... education (on both sides).... more controlled interactions between police and civilians.... etc. All good and worthy ideas.

    By the way, I saw the Larry Elder video on Kaepernick and Nike. Interesting fellow, this Elder guy. Obviously it all depends where we get our information/videos from, doesn't it. Elder obviously has a VERY big bone to pick with Kaepernick, for whatever reason. I care not that he's black. He can be just as biased as any white guy. But again.... I saw ONE video of Kaepernick speaking and all he said was what I've seen written over and over again. He's protesting the tragic incidents between white cops and black young men. Oh... and the studies cited. Well... I don't need to see a study to tell me that shooting a black guy 16 times, most of them while he's lying on the pavement..... (and then LYING about the whole damn incident).... is MURDER. Oh wait... the guy had a knife in his hand. I guess that changes everything. The cop shot from about 10 feet away (imminent danger from a guy NOT walking towards him with a knife in his hand). The first shot dropped him... so I guess the other 15 were just to make sure.

    I don't know all the other incidents by heart, so I'll just stop there. I do remember the guy who got shot in the back while RUNNING AWAY from the cop, who then shot him several times, killing him. Thank God for the bystander with the phone camera, huh?

    Before you list the "other" incidents where the cop was probably justified in using lethal force, I really don't want to go there. ONE incident is more than enough to show there is a problem within some of the police forces in the U.S.

    But back to Kaepernick. Excuse my ignorance, please. But until I see a video of Kaepernick HIMSELF calling for communism or any of the other "demands" you listed as BLM demands..... I guess I'll just have to go by what I myself hear and see. Until I see or hear a video of Kaepernick asking Nike to remove the Betsy Ross flag from its tennis shoe, I guess I'll keep on believing that Colin Kaepernick is just a young black guy fed up with all the same stories I'm fed up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That sounds like socialism to me.
    Po-tay-to po-tah-to


    When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


    That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.
    That sounds like a socialist to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That sounds like socialism to me.
    Po-tay-to po-tah-to


    When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


    That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.
    That sounds like a socialist to me.
    Which part?
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That sounds like socialism to me.
    Po-tay-to po-tah-to


    When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


    That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.
    That sounds like a socialist to me.
    Which part?
    Recognising that there is such a thing as a community for one and contributing to it the other. Maggie Thatcher did not believe in such a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Recognising that there is such a thing as a community for one and contributing to it the other. Maggie Thatcher did not believe in such a thing.
    So long as contributing isn't under threat of force I'm all for it, I do it myself when I'm able, everyone should. It brings us all together.


    Government FORCING charitable giving via draconian taxation and handing out meager benefits, that creates resentment, laziness, and a sense of entitlement.



    I'm quite well pleased if you notice and acknowledge the difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Recognising that there is such a thing as a community for one and contributing to it the other. Maggie Thatcher did not believe in such a thing.
    So long as contributing isn't under threat of force I'm all for it, I do it myself when I'm able, everyone should. It brings us all together.


    Government FORCING charitable giving via draconian taxation and handing out meager benefits, that creates resentment, laziness, and a sense of entitlement.



    I'm quite well pleased if you notice and acknowledge the difference
    I recognise the difference so long as you also recognise that socialism does not force you to help others and is not communism.
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...id=mailsignout

    Myles Garrett on Mason Rudolph: “I know what I heard”



    Classic.

    To recap..... so defensive lineman Myles Garrett of the Cleveland Browns gets into a tussle with Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph... and in the process rips off Rudolph's helmet and bashes him over the head with it.

    As a result, Garrett gets suspended by the NFL for the remainder of the season.

    Now..... a week later..... Garrett says, oh by the way... did I mention Rudolph said a racial slur to me?

    Riiiiiight. I guess that little detail just slipped your mind and only now it becomes important, huh?

    Oh.... oh.... he also says he understood that anything he said in appealing his suspension would remain private.... and I guess is appalled that it became public.

    Any stand-up comedian not immediately leaping on this new material isn't doing his job.




    Seriously though... it's sad when someone has to resort to the old "go to" defense to justify his actions.

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    Mason Rudolph did try to take Garrett's helmet off first.

    A lot of shit gets said during games, I was never one to waste my time with that. You talk trash you put a target on your back.
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    It's true, trash talking is part of the game. But racial slur claims are an all-too-convenient "go to" when you have no other defense. The fact he brought it up a week later makes his case flimsier than a house of cards.

    You're right, Rudolph tried (stupidly) to rip off Garrett's helmet first. He didn't succeed... and Garrett did. IMO, to bash him over the head with it crossed a line clearly drawn by the NFL.

    Regardless of whether the league has become "pussified", a helmet swung full force at someone else's head by a 270-pound lineman is assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Single mothers in predominantly black neighborhoods doing an awful job of raising male children and leaving the problem to the cops.

    Yeah... I hear you. I know enough to understand the issue of the harm this causes on society and the burden it puts on cops. Some of these young women just keep pumping out kids without any regard for society when these kids grow up to be less than stellar individuals.

    All that does is underscore the need to adjust the police force accordingly. Like I said before... more training... better screening... more accountability... more use of non-lethal, incapacitating weapons... mandatory body cams for every cop. Like you said... education (on both sides).... more controlled interactions between police and civilians.... etc. All good and worthy ideas.

    By the way, I saw the Larry Elder video on Kaepernick and Nike. Interesting fellow, this Elder guy. Obviously it all depends where we get our information/videos from, doesn't it. Elder obviously has a VERY big bone to pick with Kaepernick, for whatever reason. I care not that he's black. He can be just as biased as any white guy. But again.... I saw ONE video of Kaepernick speaking and all he said was what I've seen written over and over again. He's protesting the tragic incidents between white cops and black young men. Oh... and the studies cited. Well... I don't need to see a study to tell me that shooting a black guy 16 times, most of them while he's lying on the pavement..... (and then LYING about the whole damn incident).... is MURDER. Oh wait... the guy had a knife in his hand. I guess that changes everything. The cop shot from about 10 feet away (imminent danger from a guy NOT walking towards him with a knife in his hand). The first shot dropped him... so I guess the other 15 were just to make sure.

    I don't know all the other incidents by heart, so I'll just stop there. I do remember the guy who got shot in the back while RUNNING AWAY from the cop, who then shot him several times, killing him. Thank God for the bystander with the phone camera, huh?

    Before you list the "other" incidents where the cop was probably justified in using lethal force, I really don't want to go there. ONE incident is more than enough to show there is a problem within some of the police forces in the U.S.

    But back to Kaepernick. Excuse my ignorance, please. But until I see a video of Kaepernick HIMSELF calling for communism or any of the other "demands" you listed as BLM demands..... I guess I'll just have to go by what I myself hear and see. Until I see or hear a video of Kaepernick asking Nike to remove the Betsy Ross flag from its tennis shoe, I guess I'll keep on believing that Colin Kaepernick is just a young black guy fed up with all the same stories I'm fed up with.
    I guess I just scrolled past this earlier...

    What specific incident are you speaking of about the shooting 16 times? What studies are you talking about?

    Yeah I remember the Walter Scott shooting I was the very first to post about it here and I called it MURDER...I think justice was eventually carried out as the officer is in jail for life.

    "ONE incident is more than enough" oh so the police must maintain perfection then? Well that's easy enough to do....and no I'm serious, it's quite easy for the police to be PERFECT in not shooting anyone at all. The easiest way to do it is just no longer police areas with any violent crime at all. Done and done....everyone is safe from the scourge of the crooked police then.

    former NFL player Marcellus Wiley on Colin Kaepernick

    ....gets interesting around the 4:30 mark....but hey what does Marcellus Wiley know?

    Flaked on a meeting with all the police chiefs in the area? $1 million from Jed York to Kaep's organization AND a meeting with the chiefs of police and you don't show? Local churches who wanted Kaepernick to say his piece....he flakes?


    Whatever....I give up. He plays he doesn't play he flies a rocketship to the moon, I don't care. I care about the issues with police but at the end of the day it doesn't matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    I guess I just scrolled past this earlier...

    What specific incident are you speaking of about the shooting 16 times? The Laquan McDonald shooting by Jason Van Dyke. Van Dyke got 6 years.


    What studies are you talking about? The studies Larry Elder was referring to, trying to establish that there's no statistical difference between white cop/black man shootings, and other shootings by cops. I thought you had asked me about the Larry Elder video, so I looked it up.

    Yeah I remember the Walter Scott shooting I was the very first to post about it here and I called it MURDER...I think justice was eventually carried out as the officer is in jail for life.

    "ONE incident is more than enough" oh so the police must maintain perfection then? Please don't pounce on that. One incident because I can't be bothered to go back and research every white cop/black man shooting there's been over the past several years. Well that's easy enough to do....and no I'm serious, it's quite easy for the police to be PERFECT in not shooting anyone at all. The easiest way to do it is just no longer police areas with any violent crime at all. Done and done....everyone is safe from the scourge of the crooked police then. You know that's not what I mean.

    former NFL player Marcellus Wiley on Colin Kaepernick

    ....gets interesting around the 4:30 mark....but hey what does Marcellus Wiley know?

    Flaked on a meeting with all the police chiefs in the area? $1 million from Jed York to Kaep's organization AND a meeting with the chiefs of police and you don't show? Local churches who wanted Kaepernick to say his piece....he flakes?


    Whatever....I give up. He plays he doesn't play he flies a rocketship to the moon, I don't care. I care about the issues with police but at the end of the day it doesn't matter


    Colin Kaepernick means nothing to me. Let's get that out in the open. I just applaud his wanting to bring the white cop/black man shooting problem out in the open. Anything else regarding Colin Kaepernick is quickly becoming superfluous in my book. I'm actually beginning to be sorry I ever mentioned him.

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    There are bad cops, there are cops that make bad decisions, and sometimes those folks end lives unjustly....that happens and it happens to people of all races. Nuance is important and looking at each individual event is warranted.


    That said, I'll let you get it back to football
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