Originally Posted by
TitoFan
What about Floyd?? A completely undersized man who had a snowball's chance in hell of knocking Canelo out. Fits Canelo's model opponent to a Tee. So no.... no risk there. Sure... he was guaranteed to lose. No way he's EVER been in the same galaxy as Floyd. I knew that before the fight. So did anyone else who knows a little something about boxing. But let's not be naive here. Calling out Floyd was the national past-time among fighters back then. It was their way of saying, "hey! look at me! I belong here!" Well..... in Canelo's case he obviously didn't. In fact, Canelo's total and embarrassing shutout at the hands of Floyd were reminiscent of another sham which was the JCC Jr. - Sergio Martinez fight. Everybody and their brother knew Sergio would NEVER knock out Junior ('cause Junior outweighed him by 20-30 pounds).... so ol' Melon Head only had to stalk Martinez for 12 rounds hoping for a lucky shot. He got one, too. Luckily Sergio survived to the final bell, and the sham was over. It's pretty cool when you can fight someone whose punch is like a mosquito bite to you.... so you can recklessly stalk the man for the entire fight. THAT..... was Canelo against Floyd. I think the closest Canelo got to connecting was a couple of feet.
You wanna talk about GGG?? You sure you want to do this? Because I distinctly remember GGG calling out Canelo early on, only to have Canelo hide behind Oscar's skirt (the fishnets were always appropriate, BTW) and claim he wasn't a full-fledged middleweight. Which us non-blind boxing fans knew to be total bullshit. Canelo was totally a middleweight. But no.... he wanted to drag GGG down to 154 and play his weight games with him. Only to turn around and take a fight against that mummy, Melon Head. A fight made at 165 pounds. How do you explain THAT?? Take your time. If Canelo hadn't ducked GGG early on, the fight would have been made long before it was actually made.
Yes, Canelo turned pro very young. But that's no excuse to build up a bogus pro record fattened with cab drivers and bartenders. Canelo was 30-0 and being treated like a mega-star already and had yet to fight anyone with a pulse. You might not have a problem with that, but I do.
You mentioned Wilder. Feel free to go back through some of posts from earlier years when Wilder was fighting nobodies. There were few louder critics of Wilder than me. Since then he's taking more risks.
Your last sentence is one I can agree with.
"i have stated that i understand some of your frustrations and also agree with some. but i really enjoy most what canelo is doing"
It's an ok middle ground. It's not far fetched to enjoy watching Canelo fight. He's an action fighter, and you'll always get your money's worth. But IMO he's not worthy of the Hollywood hype machine they've built around him.
so, to you a risk is only if someone has the chance of knocking you out? a risk for me is a fighter challenging himself against an opponent that he risks losing to. there is no shame in losing to the best boxer in the world
you avoided the question again. when did ggg turn old? the first fight or the second fight? either way you should be rubbishing sergiy d for wasting his time against such a shot fighter. i remember cotto ducking ggg and wanting middleweights to fight at catchweights. you will say that cotto was not a middleweight. well then he shouldn’t have been fighting for middleweight titles, and both cotto and alvarez turned pro at superlightweight. i have never stated that canelo wasn’t a middleweight. If you have an issue with what oscar says take it up with him and his personal life is none of my business. and remember cotto was also playing weight games with middleweights. i have never stated that canelo wasn’t a middleweight but his fight prior to jc junior was at superwelterweight, so he essentially moved up two weight divisions for that fight. martinez and cotto ducked ggg, canelo actually fought him, twice, within two years of winning the middleweight title, something both Martinez and cotto never did
many young prospects are brought along slowly, especially if they are teenagers. not all fighters with flashy unbeaten 30 plus -0 records are treated like mega-stars. it takes more than just a record to make a superstar. the fighter needs charisma, and that something that resonates with the fans. they need to be dedicated and have that desire to compete and build a legacy. some fighters have got it and some fighters don’t. just look at fighters like andy ruiz or buster and how they lost their dedication and desire or someone like bojado, who was hailed as a future superstar before his bubble burst, or frankie gomez who also lost his desire
i never stated you weren’t a critic of wilder, only that him and mikey Garcia among others, had padded records early on. both have taken more risks since, as has canelo as he has improved and as i stated, canelo’s record is one of the best currently around the weight for opposition
as i stated, not all fighters become superstars, no matter how much they are pushed, primed and promoted, it is a special something that promoters wish they could bottle, it’s not just an unbeaten record, or just good looks, something resonates with the fans. for me it is facing good opponents. most feel canelo lost to ggg in the first fight and he was outclassed by floyd, as well as close fights with trout and lara, those fights have not hindered canelo’s popularity in the least, even with the failed drug tests, canelo is still one of the biggest names and attractions of the sport. it is similar to mcgregor in the ufc, he has lost multiple times, had rape allegations, but is still one of their biggest stars. it can't all be magically manufactured, the fighter needs to do his part
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