If not for our flag-bearers, this site would be pretty boring between fights. :-)

[TitoFan]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

[Gandalf]

Freedom and Brock were other unique voices. Beanz though wanted to do the Marxist purge thing and so one won't post and the other cannot post. Freedom was going to make a comeback, but on seeing Beanz return has obviously decided 'Fuck that'. Brock is of course in the eternal gulag, training and allegedly looking for a UK boxing license.

[Fenster]

I'm the flag-bearer for exposing hypocrites and silly men who believe they're paragons of virtue

[Dark Lord Al]

I am flag bearer for the destruction of Millenials , snowflakes and liberal ponces.

[Gandalf]

I am flag bearer for the destruction of Millenials , snowflakes and liberal ponces.

You forgot the peasants, Al.

[SlimTrae]

Denilson the comeback for Flag Bearer, POTUS, SCOTUS, moderator, translator, transporter, undertaker & pallbearer.

[Dark Lord Al]

I am flag bearer for the destruction of Millenials , snowflakes and liberal ponces.

You forgot the peasants, Al.

Then who would clean the car ?

[TitoFan]

I'm the flag-bearer for exposing hypocrites and silly men who believe they're paragons of virtue

[Beanz]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

I am not sure it is worth trying to inject some honesty here or not. I think this thread is symptomatic of a general theme though, so maybe it is worth addressing.

I will start by saying that I am not sure where your hostility is coming from TitoFan but I really harbour no ill feelings toward you or anyone else on the forum, though I find many attitudes expressed to often be quite disgusting.

I am not the flag bearer for anything really, least of all trans anything. You have repeatedly accused me of having 'a dirty little agenda' for simply disagreeing with your own and many others opionion on the issue. I have never started a thread about it and if you look you will see that usually your posts on the subject outnumber mine by 5 to 1.

So if anything the reverse is actually true. The trans issue is something you and a few of your concerned fellow posters return to again and again. 50+ posts in the trans boxer thread to my 11 for example. It's daft but also quite dishonest to therefor pretend I am a flag bearer just because I don't share your, what I consider to be irrational, fears.

If I am a flag bearer for anything it is for music, art, boxing and the rights of disabled people as these have dominated and continue to dominate my professional working life, but do you know what?

I can't share any of that here. It has become a playground of toxicity in which people are more interested in inventing stories about others and positions for them to inhabit than sharing anything themselves. It's very sad people have to be reduced to caricatures and have to undergo years of character assassination just for expressing a different opinion.

Its incredibly boring. The forum wide sense of humor failure has not helped either.

[Gandalf]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

I am not sure it is worth trying to inject some honesty here or not. I think this thread is symptomatic of a general theme though, so maybe it is worth addressing.

I will start by saying that I am not sure where your hostility is coming from TitoFan but I really harbour no ill feelings toward you or anyone else on the forum, though I find many attitudes expressed to often be quite disgusting.

I am not the flag bearer for anything really, least of all trans anything. You have repeatedly accused me of having 'a dirty little agenda' for simply disagreeing with your own and many others opionion on the issue. I have never started a thread about it and if you look you will see that usually your posts on the subject outnumber mine by 5 to 1.

So if anything the reverse is actually true. The trans issue is something you and a few of your concerned fellow posters return to again and again. 50+ posts in the trans boxer thread to my 11 for example. It's daft but also quite dishonest to therefor pretend I am a flag bearer just because I don't share your, what I consider to be irrational, fears.

If I am a flag bearer for anything it is for music, art, boxing and the rights of disabled people as these have dominated and continue to dominate my professional working life, but do you know what?

I can't share any of that here. It has become a playground of toxicity in which people are more interested in inventing stories about others and positions for them to inhabit than sharing anything themselves. It's very sad people have to be reduced to caricatures and have to undergo years of character assassination just for expressing a different opinion.

Its incredibly boring. The forum wide sense of humor failure has not helped either.

Hypocrite. Much.

[Beanz]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

I am not sure it is worth trying to inject some honesty here or not. I think this thread is symptomatic of a general theme though, so maybe it is worth addressing.

I will start by saying that I am not sure where your hostility is coming from TitoFan but I really harbour no ill feelings toward you or anyone else on the forum, though I find many attitudes expressed to often be quite disgusting.

I am not the flag bearer for anything really, least of all trans anything. You have repeatedly accused me of having 'a dirty little agenda' for simply disagreeing with your own and many others opionion on the issue. I have never started a thread about it and if you look you will see that usually your posts on the subject outnumber mine by 5 to 1.

So if anything the reverse is actually true. The trans issue is something you and a few of your concerned fellow posters return to again and again. 50+ posts in the trans boxer thread to my 11 for example. It's daft but also quite dishonest to therefor pretend I am a flag bearer just because I don't share your, what I consider to be irrational, fears.

If I am a flag bearer for anything it is for music, art, boxing and the rights of disabled people as these have dominated and continue to dominate my professional working life, but do you know what?

I can't share any of that here. It has become a playground of toxicity in which people are more interested in inventing stories about others and positions for them to inhabit than sharing anything themselves. It's very sad people have to be reduced to caricatures and have to undergo years of character assassination just for expressing a different opinion.

Its incredibly boring. The forum wide sense of humor failure has not helped either.

Hypocrite. Much.

If you really belive that then explain what you mean by it and how I can change.

[Gandalf]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

I am not sure it is worth trying to inject some honesty here or not. I think this thread is symptomatic of a general theme though, so maybe it is worth addressing.

I will start by saying that I am not sure where your hostility is coming from TitoFan but I really harbour no ill feelings toward you or anyone else on the forum, though I find many attitudes expressed to often be quite disgusting.

I am not the flag bearer for anything really, least of all trans anything. You have repeatedly accused me of having 'a dirty little agenda' for simply disagreeing with your own and many others opionion on the issue. I have never started a thread about it and if you look you will see that usually your posts on the subject outnumber mine by 5 to 1.

So if anything the reverse is actually true. The trans issue is something you and a few of your concerned fellow posters return to again and again. 50+ posts in the trans boxer thread to my 11 for example. It's daft but also quite dishonest to therefor pretend I am a flag bearer just because I don't share your, what I consider to be irrational, fears.

If I am a flag bearer for anything it is for music, art, boxing and the rights of disabled people as these have dominated and continue to dominate my professional working life, but do you know what?

I can't share any of that here. It has become a playground of toxicity in which people are more interested in inventing stories about others and positions for them to inhabit than sharing anything themselves. It's very sad people have to be reduced to caricatures and have to undergo years of character assassination just for expressing a different opinion.

Its incredibly boring. The forum wide sense of humor failure has not helped either.

Hypocrite. Much.

If you really belive that then explain what you mean by it and how I can change.

In the last week alone you have invented positions that I do not hold a number of times in the long tirades and along the way character assassinated me. I am not playing a victim as I am used to it and can hold my ground and push back, but it really does take two to tango.

Do you not see that by posting so aggressively and distorting what one says that you are creating a person that isn't actually there yourself too? Take the lesbians on the bus. My first comment was that it was a terrible attack and that yes I think people should also control their behavior as London is frankly an unsafe place, yet immediately you wanted to assume the worst and that I was somehow saying 'the lezzers were asking for it' or something like that. I am sure you know that is not what I think and that I would never give a nod to the teenagers and say 'Right, let them have it. They are snogging!' I am cool with gay life for goodness sake. I generally enjoy the company of gay people, I like sharp, snappy people who dress well.

I honestly think it would help if you would address the poster you are addressing and them alone too as I often have very different views to Peterson, Lyle, Dia, or whoever it might be. I am an individual, plus I don't think Jordan Peterson posts here anymore. Anyway stay cool and I can too. I am semi wincing expecting some tirade about what a liar I am and how I am somehow Jacob Rees Mogg or something. And he is of course terrible for the environment too. I am my own person.

[Beanz]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

I am not sure it is worth trying to inject some honesty here or not. I think this thread is symptomatic of a general theme though, so maybe it is worth addressing.

I will start by saying that I am not sure where your hostility is coming from TitoFan but I really harbour no ill feelings toward you or anyone else on the forum, though I find many attitudes expressed to often be quite disgusting.

I am not the flag bearer for anything really, least of all trans anything. You have repeatedly accused me of having 'a dirty little agenda' for simply disagreeing with your own and many others opionion on the issue. I have never started a thread about it and if you look you will see that usually your posts on the subject outnumber mine by 5 to 1.

So if anything the reverse is actually true. The trans issue is something you and a few of your concerned fellow posters return to again and again. 50+ posts in the trans boxer thread to my 11 for example. It's daft but also quite dishonest to therefor pretend I am a flag bearer just because I don't share your, what I consider to be irrational, fears.

If I am a flag bearer for anything it is for music, art, boxing and the rights of disabled people as these have dominated and continue to dominate my professional working life, but do you know what?

I can't share any of that here. It has become a playground of toxicity in which people are more interested in inventing stories about others and positions for them to inhabit than sharing anything themselves. It's very sad people have to be reduced to caricatures and have to undergo years of character assassination just for expressing a different opinion.

Its incredibly boring. The forum wide sense of humor failure has not helped either.

Hypocrite. Much.

If you really belive that then explain what you mean by it and how I can change.

In the last week alone you have invented positions that I do not hold a number of times in the long tirades and along the way character assassinated me. I am not playing a victim as I am used to it and can hold my ground and push back, but it really does take two to tango.

Do you not see that by posting so aggressively and distorting what one says that you are creating a person that isn't actually there yourself too? Take the lesbians on the bus. My first comment was that it was a terrible attack and that yes I think people should also control their behavior as London is frankly an unsafe place, yet immediately you wanted to assume the worst and that I was somehow saying 'the lezzers were asking for it' or something like that. I am sure you know that is not what I think and that I would never give a nod to the teenagers and say 'Right, let them have it. They are snogging!' I am cool with gay life for goodness sake. I generally enjoy the company of gay people, I like sharp, snappy people who dress well.

I honestly think it would help if you would address the poster you are addressing and them alone too as I often have very different views to Peterson, Lyle, Dia, or whoever it might be. I am an individual, plus I don't think Jordan Peterson posts here anymore. Anyway stay cool and I can too. I am semi wincing expecting some tirade about what a liar I am and how I am somehow Jacob Rees Mogg or something. And he is of course terrible for the environment too. I am my own person.

You are quite correct it takes two to tango but here it is often more than two men dancing. I was going to say progress but I am not sure if that is a banned word here nowadays. Seriously though if we are going to make any real change you will have to disavow yourself of some notions. While they are there it will not make any difference what I post. So try and imagine just for one second that at no point in the last week, in any of the threads or in any of my posts was i even slightly angry.

I apologise if you think i have invented positions for you or was distorting what you said but if you go back you will see your reply was not what you think you posted at all. Your first response was actually

'So, yes, taking a bus in a major UK city at night can indeed be an adventure.'

You may think it pedantic to note that but i take from that some kind of personal vindication from you in what you see as proof that their is violence on buses and violence in the UK, something none of us here have ever disputed. Then your next sentence confirms the fact that the opportunity to declare London and the UK dangerous was at the forefront of your thoughts

'The UK is not a safe country in places.'

But why? because of course for you it was an opportunity to attack the diversity of London and the UK. So after finally acknowledging

'It is obviously a terrible attack.'

The next thing you type is

'who were the attackers? We hear that one spoke Spanish, but with London being so diverse, we don't know about the other British attackers despite the CCTV being able to tell us.'

So you can hardly be surprised when i question your concern and claims that I distort what you typed. The very next line?

"We must have kissed or something" is very vague too. I do not understand why they would need to be kissing in public on a bus. I would say the same about straight couples. There is always a time and a place. You know you are living in a diverse place, so you need to be extra careful. That was my attitude in England and out of respect anywhere else too.'

So it doesn't sound like you are cool with anything at all. It sounds like you are seeking to do several things.

Be more concerned with the attack being pinned on immigrants or non English people to justify your own anti-diversity and and anti-immigration stance and to use as proof of some media and establishment cover up.

Blame what you consider to be an inappropriate display of affection for being somehow responsible, even if only partially, for the attack happening.

Considering the couple are claiming they were beaten up for not putting on a sex show for the attackers it seems a bit of a reach for you to suggest that they need to defer to what you assume are 'diverse' attackers and not display any affection and by doing so they could keep themselves safe.

I addressed both you and El Kabong in my first reply because El Kabong had quoted your post and then added his own vitriol blaming Sadiq Khan and Muslims. That was his explicit wording, bringing up Rotheram etc and so can you explain why on earth you would be surprised by my response?

I could you both stupid and warped in response to what you both posted as your first responses to this attack. They were like nobody else's response. Very, very different.

[TitoFan]

Think about it. What the hell else to talk about between fights?

There's Trump.... but that gets old fast.

There's Brexit, but not all of us have all the facts to go beyond a superficial opinion (not including the British folks).

So who are these flag bearers?

Well..... we had Alpha, the Flat Earth flag bearer...... but you guys ran him off.

Now we have the return of Denilson, the White Supremacy flag bearer. He said he would only stick to boxing this time, but that lasted about as long as a Trump White House staffer.

Still trying to decide who's the flag bearer for Transgenderism. It's up in the air between Beanz and Fenster, only that Fenster took himself out of the running by stating he doesn't "care about trans." So that leaves Beanz.

So we have two flag bearers, and another one you guys ran off.



We need a substitute.

I am not sure it is worth trying to inject some honesty here or not. I think this thread is symptomatic of a general theme though, so maybe it is worth addressing.

I will start by saying that I am not sure where your hostility is coming from TitoFan but I really harbour no ill feelings toward you or anyone else on the forum, though I find many attitudes expressed to often be quite disgusting.

I am not the flag bearer for anything really, least of all trans anything. You have repeatedly accused me of having 'a dirty little agenda' for simply disagreeing with your own and many others opionion on the issue. I have never started a thread about it and if you look you will see that usually your posts on the subject outnumber mine by 5 to 1.

So if anything the reverse is actually true. The trans issue is something you and a few of your concerned fellow posters return to again and again. 50+ posts in the trans boxer thread to my 11 for example. It's daft but also quite dishonest to therefor pretend I am a flag bearer just because I don't share your, what I consider to be irrational, fears.

If I am a flag bearer for anything it is for music, art, boxing and the rights of disabled people as these have dominated and continue to dominate my professional working life, but do you know what?

I can't share any of that here. It has become a playground of toxicity in which people are more interested in inventing stories about others and positions for them to inhabit than sharing anything themselves. It's very sad people have to be reduced to caricatures and have to undergo years of character assassination just for expressing a different opinion.

Its incredibly boring. The forum wide sense of humor failure has not helped either.

ANNNNDDD....... the Championship Trophy for Hyperbole Outright Lie Fantasy Quote of the Year goes to......................................

[TitoFan]

I would go back and study up on the meaning of the word "hostility", @Beanz . You seem to use it a lot (with everyone who disagrees with you)....... and I'm suspecting you're using it incorrectly most of the time.

Now, I don't want to lecture you on your own language, since you ARE in fact English......... but.............