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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Case closed.

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
    Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

    Clay was a great fighter in his era.
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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Dark Lord Al said some wonderful things right there. I totlaly agree. 91 Evander gives 67 Ali a great run for that money and prime 4 prime Lennox might sure take him out by knock OUT!

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
    Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

    Clay was a great fighter in his era.
    There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
    Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

    Clay was a great fighter in his era.
    There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.
    Now that gets into the whole nother can of worms! (Say my name! Etc)

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Ali 1967 was the best we all saw of him, but it's probably safe to assume he could have even been better 1968 through to 1970 had he not been unjustly stripped & banned from fighting.

    I have a hard time picking against Ali '67, but a good few would have given him fits.

    Frazier always gives him trouble & Smokin' Joe was also in his pomp in 1969 & Joe had the one punch Ali hated, the monster Left hook.

    Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield & Tyson '86 - '88 also ask a lot of questions of him & probably give him his hardest fights.

    Lennox Lewis & Wladimir also had the size & skillset to trouble him, but I think they are slower than him & would have found Ali too fast & elusive.

    Would also have loved to see how prime Ali would have handled Ken Norton's awkard style because Ali just never solved Norton, although, to be fair, Muhammad was not in prime the three times he fought Norton.
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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    1967 Ali willth out speed Norton who plods along

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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
    Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

    Clay was a great fighter in his era.
    There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.
    You call Mike Tyson - Malik Abdul Aziz ? or Mike Tyson ?Christened Clay so he is Clay, won the title as Clay , being brainwashed by a death cult doesn't change that.
    So Beanz comment on my boxing picks not a made up name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Clay of 1967 had great speed , id give Holyfield of 1991 a good chance, Lennox Lewis in his prime would have beaten him.
    Holmes in prime would have a shot, rampaging 1988 Tyson would have a chance also..

    Clay was a great fighter in his era.
    There was no Clay in 1967 only Ali.
    You call Mike Tyson - Malik Abdul Aziz ? or Mike Tyson ?Christened Clay so he is Clay, won the title as Clay , being brainwashed by a death cult doesn't change that.
    So Beanz comment on my boxing picks not a made up name.
    HE had the right to change his name. That you have always insisted on refusing to use it and acknowledge that right speaks volumes.

    Holyfield is made to look ordinary by Ali and Lewis and Tyson have a punchers chance but not much more than that.

    Frazier, 'could' beat the 67 Ali, doesn't mean he would have. Its all conjecture and you might as well try and guess the colour on a roulette wheel.
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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Yes Clay was at the top of his game in his own time.
    As Tyson was the best in his time, Lewis the best of his time etc.


    Last edited by Dark Lord Al; 10-13-2019 at 09:27 AM.
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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Why is the name change an issue.

    A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!
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    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TKO View Post
    Why is the name change an issue.

    A man has the right to change his name to whatever he wants to change it to. And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, godammit this is a free country, you should respect his wishes, and call the man Muhammad Ali!
    I have no issue at all , I have given my opinions on who would beat him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Dark Lord Al said some wonderful things right there. I totlaly agree. 91 Evander gives 67 Ali a great run for that money and prime 4 prime Lennox might sure take him out by knock OUT!
    Ok. So I think we widely recognise the Ali of 67 as probably the best he’s been. So if you and Al think Lennox beats the best version of Ali. So is Lennox higher in the ATG Rankings than Ali?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Dark Lord Al said some wonderful things right there. I totlaly agree. 91 Evander gives 67 Ali a great run for that money and prime 4 prime Lennox might sure take him out by knock OUT!
    Ok. So I think we widely recognise the Ali of 67 as probably the best he’s been. So if you and Al think Lennox beats the best version of Ali. So is Lennox higher in the ATG Rankings than Ali?
    Great question. Based off Lennox TWO getting sparked and Ali never got, Ali is rated higher than Lennox. Lennox could spark Ali might be 1 MAYBE 2 times out of 5, but Ali wins on points 2 out of 5 and Ali STOPS Lenn 1 of every 5 times (late stoppage like Homes stopped Cooney).

    The other reason I wouldn't rate Lennox as high is based off competition. Old Mercer, old Holy, Old Tyson, Morisson, Golota.....
    Don't stack up to prime Sunny Liston, prime Frasier, prime Foreman, prime Norton, Shivers, Lyle, prime Spinks.

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