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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    If we mean by austerity low interest rates, few pay increases, and limited public spending, then it is something I have experienced, but do not consider it a huge issue as you live within your means and carry on with life. How much does one need to get by? Not much. If you don't smoke or drink a lot then life is hardly a burden. Austerity is a global issue in many developed countries. I could get 5% interest on a savings account a few years ago, now you are lucky to get 2%. They have screwed up the economy that way and rather than let the silly fools out of their depth sink, they continue to screw with interest rates on savers who have been responsible with their money and continue to go easy on people who should not have been given the debt they have.

    It hasn't been helped in countries like the UK though with continued open borders. Currently mainly to those beyond the EU who generally cost money. That is money that shouldn't be going to them. It pushes up housing, means more benefits, and for those who do work, pushes down wages.

    I continue to be shocked by the notion that young people need youth clubs to occupy them. Why can they not have conversations in homes, go to coffee shops, read books, play games, play football etc, and pick up constructive hobbies? We make too many excuses when really the problem makers are typically the result of terrible family planning and a lack of self responsibility. A teenager can be productive and busy without reams of money or government programs.

    Plus with the modern Internet it is not like they are paying 12 pounds a CD anymore which I was way back when music was still good. They nick everything off the Internet so the decent bands die off. In many ways the young are quite spoiled with everything available for free. You can download the entire works of Orwell for a couple of pennies. You couldn't do that when I was young. You had to spend and nowadays you can find so many rare things that you simply couldn't find then and the information is much more plentiful. Spoiled in that sense, but obviously many are deprived emotionally because of the decisions of terrible parents.

    I asked the question a while back why do the poor stay poor and I think it is often a result of bookies, booze, drugs and general bad decisions. But then you add in a Labour caused bank bail out and you have some problems and it hasn't been the same again. Those bonuses came back and the ordinary people were so into their phones they barely flinched.
    There is a vast disparity between the working class money is the issue.!
    Everybody needs to eat and keep warm but when theses basic needs are to some a luxury there is something wrong.
    The Country is a fuck up Zero contract jobs people scratching a living with 5 or 6 jobs.!
    Miles not everyone is academic all this bollocks of motivation you can't be what you want weather it be education or etc.
    There are limits for instance mate academic people have a tendency to be thick doing practical job Clueless some.
    Were practical people would struggle with academic tasks.!
    The way of the World some people are gifted some not so but everyone contributing to society .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    Yes Master all spot on mate the blame rests with the Tories no doubt.
    I work for local authority as you know it has been devastated by cuts.
    Education social services to name but a few roads etc the list goes on.
    Bloody Tories just renamed cuts as austerity every time they are in power they cut nothing new.
    Another thing is youth clubs being closed. I attended these clubs as a kid but kids have very little to do, unless you have rich parents, so can get caught up in trouble.
    I hate that excuse. I was poor but worked while at secondary school and thus always had my music and books. School always had sports clubs and you and your friends could always rustle up a cricket bat, wickets and a ball. All you need is a football and parks are a plenty too. There is nothing stopping kids from studying hard or having fun even if poor.
    It is not an excuse.

    Austerity has led to cuts in public services. In my city we had local youth clubs, mines was at a local church and we would play football, table tennis, pool and hang out there. Now they decided to close all the clubs and have one in the city centre which is too far for them to go and you are more liable to meet people that are up to no good.

    There has always been knife crime but the increase in it and at such a pace means that austerity must have something to do with it. Typically the government have increased the number of police but other services need funding which can divert children away from crime and into more productive lives.
    I am sorry, but I disagree about the need for 'youth clubs'. I never had youth clubs and I was one of those wild eyed terrors without a father, except I was bookish and disciplined with my morning money making. I had friends to play sports with, books to read, games to play, a bike to ride. It certainly did not result in any stabbing and the government wasn't buying our cricket bats or telling us what to do. GOOD PARENTS are the best way to divert children into healthy productive lives, not the government. If you want to play pool, then go to a pool hall. If you want to play football, then go to a park. It isn't complicated.

    Are you telling me without government support you could not play football, cricket, or any of these things? I don't think it is on the government to provide entertainment for kids. I think kids make their own fun and if they cannot have fun without stabbing one another, then they belong in prison or if on a second passport, a good old deportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia bando View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    If we mean by austerity low interest rates, few pay increases, and limited public spending, then it is something I have experienced, but do not consider it a huge issue as you live within your means and carry on with life. How much does one need to get by? Not much. If you don't smoke or drink a lot then life is hardly a burden. Austerity is a global issue in many developed countries. I could get 5% interest on a savings account a few years ago, now you are lucky to get 2%. They have screwed up the economy that way and rather than let the silly fools out of their depth sink, they continue to screw with interest rates on savers who have been responsible with their money and continue to go easy on people who should not have been given the debt they have.

    It hasn't been helped in countries like the UK though with continued open borders. Currently mainly to those beyond the EU who generally cost money. That is money that shouldn't be going to them. It pushes up housing, means more benefits, and for those who do work, pushes down wages.

    I continue to be shocked by the notion that young people need youth clubs to occupy them. Why can they not have conversations in homes, go to coffee shops, read books, play games, play football etc, and pick up constructive hobbies? We make too many excuses when really the problem makers are typically the result of terrible family planning and a lack of self responsibility. A teenager can be productive and busy without reams of money or government programs.

    Plus with the modern Internet it is not like they are paying 12 pounds a CD anymore which I was way back when music was still good. They nick everything off the Internet so the decent bands die off. In many ways the young are quite spoiled with everything available for free. You can download the entire works of Orwell for a couple of pennies. You couldn't do that when I was young. You had to spend and nowadays you can find so many rare things that you simply couldn't find then and the information is much more plentiful. Spoiled in that sense, but obviously many are deprived emotionally because of the decisions of terrible parents.

    I asked the question a while back why do the poor stay poor and I think it is often a result of bookies, booze, drugs and general bad decisions. But then you add in a Labour caused bank bail out and you have some problems and it hasn't been the same again. Those bonuses came back and the ordinary people were so into their phones they barely flinched.
    There is a vast disparity between the working class money is the issue.!
    Everybody needs to eat and keep warm but when theses basic needs are to some a luxury there is something wrong.
    The Country is a fuck up Zero contract jobs people scratching a living with 5 or 6 jobs.!
    Miles not everyone is academic all this bollocks of motivation you can't be what you want weather it be education or etc.
    There are limits for instance mate academic people have a tendency to be thick doing practical job Clueless some.
    Were practical people would struggle with academic tasks.!
    The way of the World some people are gifted some not so but everyone contributing to society .
    7 pounds 80 an hour, Dia. It is not exactly a small amount for the lowest skilled work going. It is still 15 grand a year if you work full time. If you live within your means and rent somewhere for 400-500 a month, I am not sure what anyone is complaining about and if you are a couple, then that is more than enough to be comfortable. Many live at home with parents, so they can be banking away.

    At the end of the day, if you want money you need a skill set or innovation and an ability to work hard. Not everybody is going to be Richard Branson and I accept a degree of social inequality as some people make better decisions than others.

    Others of course are born into it and that is less fair, but that is why I think the rich pay a bit more tax (and they do) and the poor pay less (though I argue that VAT is a horrible stealth tax on them too).

    You don't even pay income tax until a fairly high amount so really the low income workers aren't getting that bad a deal considering it is packing potatoes into a bag or what have you.
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    I am not making excuses for children getting in trouble. Some of it is just exploring and learning in life which include close calls with the police. Ultimately I never did cross the line because I was too afraid of my dad who would be working the night shift and the last thing he would want is a call from the police to pick his son up from station. Youth clubs were an important part of being able to socialise with friends and learn new skills. If it diverts people away from crime then it pays for itself in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I am not making excuses for children getting in trouble. Some of it is just exploring and learning in life which include close calls with the police. Ultimately I never did cross the line because I was too afraid of my dad who would be working the night shift and the last thing he would want is a call from the police to pick his son up from station. Youth clubs were an important part of being able to socialise with friends and learn new skills. If it diverts people away from crime then it pays for itself in the long run.
    You somewhat proved my point there. You had a strong father figure who I assume was a diligent and decent person. That is what I think young people need in their lives rather than government. Anybody can go and play games in an Internet cafe or a friend's house or kick a football around. I think a lot of the problems stem not so much from austerity but from broken families. A single mother has no way of controlling a volatile young man who needs that steadying male influence. Now some families with father figures also go horribly wrong, but the statistics tell us that single parent households have the worst outcomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I am not making excuses for children getting in trouble. Some of it is just exploring and learning in life which include close calls with the police. Ultimately I never did cross the line because I was too afraid of my dad who would be working the night shift and the last thing he would want is a call from the police to pick his son up from station. Youth clubs were an important part of being able to socialise with friends and learn new skills. If it diverts people away from crime then it pays for itself in the long run.
    You somewhat proved my point there. You had a strong father figure who I assume was a diligent and decent person. That is what I think young people need in their lives rather than government. Anybody can go and play games in an Internet cafe or a friend's house or kick a football around. I think a lot of the problems stem not so much from austerity but from broken families. A single mother has no way of controlling a volatile young man who needs that steadying male influence. Now some families with father figures also go horribly wrong, but the statistics tell us that single parent households have the worst outcomes.
    Austerity hurts the poorest and most vulnerable in society whether you are a single parent, have a father figure or not. You can prevent “Broken” families by early intervention and support to stop them falling into a crisis. That was what our scheme did, it used trained volunteers who were/had been parents themselves and they provided a couple of hours per week support for the children and parents. This prevented children being put on the child protection register and ultimately going into care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    I am not making excuses for children getting in trouble. Some of it is just exploring and learning in life which include close calls with the police. Ultimately I never did cross the line because I was too afraid of my dad who would be working the night shift and the last thing he would want is a call from the police to pick his son up from station. Youth clubs were an important part of being able to socialise with friends and learn new skills. If it diverts people away from crime then it pays for itself in the long run.
    You somewhat proved my point there. You had a strong father figure who I assume was a diligent and decent person. That is what I think young people need in their lives rather than government. Anybody can go and play games in an Internet cafe or a friend's house or kick a football around. I think a lot of the problems stem not so much from austerity but from broken families. A single mother has no way of controlling a volatile young man who needs that steadying male influence. Now some families with father figures also go horribly wrong, but the statistics tell us that single parent households have the worst outcomes.
    Austerity hurts the poorest and most vulnerable in society whether you are a single parent, have a father figure or not. You can prevent “Broken” families by early intervention and support to stop them falling into a crisis. That was what our scheme did, it used trained volunteers who were/had been parents themselves and they provided a couple of hours per week support for the children and parents. This prevented children being put on the child protection register and ultimately going into care.
    That is not my point. My point is that no amount of government funding is going to fix the problem of poverty which overwhelmingly comes in the form of single parent households. To break that cycle we have be stronger on it and in my opinion go back to policies of times past in order to make people more self responsible. You don't get rewarded for making bad decisions.

    The UK has a minimum wage among the highest in the world. Anyone has it in them to get a full time job and there are no limitations on you choosing to study something very useful that will lead to a good income. If you choose a partner carefully, save your money, and then have children for the right reasons, then that sounds like a recipe for helping children.

    Families end up broken because the parents are not suitable and we have encouraged an environment of poorly matched people having children and then leaving them without fathers. It has been normalized and in fact seems to be encouraged now in schools. There are men who want to get laid and there are women that want the man, or want the benefits, and what seems to come last is the child and that needs to be spoken about rather than brushed under the carpet. Not always of course, but far often than we want to admit.

    Youth clubs? I wouldn't even know what one was. My happiest memories of being a teenager were on that cricket field being able to forget about home and laugh with my friends. We did not need the government to enjoy that and we did not turn to violence.
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    This video concludes it well arguing basically that: Well educated men are more likely to marry well educated women. The children are generally more intelligent and stable and in turn more likely to raise stable and high achieving families. The less educated and poorer are more likely to produce more unstable and poorer children. The result is a gulf.

    All I argue is that one should aspire to study something useful, find someone on your intellectual level, and in turn that is more likely to produce decent well adjusted children. A smart person will research and study and be involved with their child. Others will not and most likely find themselves raising a child alone.

    Thus I don't think austerity or the lack of pool is hurting kids, but the choices of their own parents certainly is. All the pool in the world might be great, but it won't lead to attainment or change anything at home.
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    Poverty can be caused for a variety of reason not just single parents. Low income, unemployment, mental/physical health, debt, substance misuse, lack of opportunity, which can put you in this cycle of deprivation. Most people do not choose to live in poverty and it is not always there fault.

    The government should help the most vulnerable in society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Poverty can be caused for a variety of reason not just single parents. Low income, unemployment, mental/physical health, debt, substance misuse, lack of opportunity, which can put you in this cycle of deprivation. Most people do not choose to live in poverty and it is not always there fault.

    The government should help the most vulnerable in society.
    Low income? One of the highest minimum wages in the world where you can buy fresh salad for a quid and rent pretty reasonably provided you don't have half a dozen children.
    Unemployment? Not exactly soaring and many won't work and that is on them.
    Mental health? Most can overcome with discipline, but much of it is caused by bad childhoods.
    Physical health? You exercise and eat properly, but sure we help the disabled.
    Substance misuse? You have to taper and quit, work on your demons. Most likely to be from a single parent household statistically.
    Lack of opportunity? Nobody is stopping you and that is where it is all about nurture and guidance and if it is missing then it causes problems. The solution is to choose a good partner and only be a parent if and when you are ready to be a good one. A good parent will always nurture and guide. A poor parent won't and we just don't seem willing to have that conversation.

    Plus the government DOES help people who struggle already. What do you think the NHS is? Or schooling? Or welfare? You even have government covering rents for many. There has been too much support and not enough truth telling to those who really are causing many of those issues you mention.
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    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
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    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    I have no qualms with welfare being cut, but not for the disabled. I don't agree with that.

    According to data I have looked at the NHS is not underfunded, it is just overused. You are talking about a population possibly 10 million bigger in a couple of decades and a population that has got pretty chunky bringing with it its own problems. It is creaking at the seams because of Labour and Tory and it is because nobody wants to control the borders. Ask Fenster about the emergency room. I was reading that massive numbers of students are now foreign as the migrants have children too. What do you expect exactly? Shut the borders and you can regain control, but until then it is a lost cause.

    Yes, it is very difficult to get out of a situation where some groups have 70% of kids with no father figure. It shouldn't happen. In moderation it is fine, but at those numbers and taught in school that it is normal. Well, that is no enabler of prosperity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    I have no qualms with welfare being cut, but not for the disabled. I don't agree with that.

    According to data I have looked at the NHS is not underfunded, it is just overused. You are talking about a population possibly 10 million bigger in a couple of decades and a population that has got pretty chunky bringing with it its own problems. It is creaking at the seams because of Labour and Tory and it is because nobody wants to control the borders. Ask Fenster about the emergency room. I was reading that massive numbers of students are now foreign as the migrants have children too. What do you expect exactly? Shut the borders and you can regain control, but until then it is a lost cause.

    Yes, it is very difficult to get out of a situation where some groups have 70% of kids with no father figure. It shouldn't happen. In moderation it is fine, but at those numbers and taught in school that it is normal. Well, that is no enabler of prosperity.
    The NHS is a victim of its own success and has kept people healthy and living longer. Therefore it will have more people using it. The biggest addition is social care particularly for the elderly which requires adequate funding.

    It is less about open borders, obesity and single parents which is your ‘go to’ response on every one of these types of threads. People can prosper in spite of these circumstances but it is not easy and takes time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve
    More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.
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