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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve
    More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.
    https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publi...comms/R150.pdf
    otal spending on schools in England represented just under £42 billion in 2017–18 (in 2018–19 prices). This represents £4,700 per pupil at primary school and £6,200 per pupil at secondary school.

    So just pour more money on the problem then? How much is "enough"? Is it a hard number or one of those "We'll know when we get there" situations?

    And I only bring that up to say....


    https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...nsus%20Bureau.
    The amount spent per pupil for public elementary and secondary education (prekindergarten through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased by 3.7% to $12,201 per pupil during the 2017 fiscal year, compared to $11,763 per pupil in 2016, according to new tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.


    We've got the exact same problem and JUST money ain't solving jack shit.....it would be lovely if it did, but it doesn't because if it did we'd see improvement due to increased spending, we haven't we've seen the opposite.
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    The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

    All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

    All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.
    Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
    2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
    by local authorities
    , where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
    Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
    spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
    about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.





    Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


    Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

    All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.
    Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
    2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
    by local authorities
    , where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
    Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
    spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
    about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.





    Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


    Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.
    So local authorities have been spending less because they have been given less by the government. Which is what austerity has caused. "Malnourished pupils with grey skin are "filling their pockets" with food from school canteens in poor areas due to poverty" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43611527

    No one said families should not provide the basics for children but there are more families facing poverty and inequality has increased with austerity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    I have no qualms with welfare being cut, but not for the disabled. I don't agree with that.

    According to data I have looked at the NHS is not underfunded, it is just overused. You are talking about a population possibly 10 million bigger in a couple of decades and a population that has got pretty chunky bringing with it its own problems. It is creaking at the seams because of Labour and Tory and it is because nobody wants to control the borders. Ask Fenster about the emergency room. I was reading that massive numbers of students are now foreign as the migrants have children too. What do you expect exactly? Shut the borders and you can regain control, but until then it is a lost cause.

    Yes, it is very difficult to get out of a situation where some groups have 70% of kids with no father figure. It shouldn't happen. In moderation it is fine, but at those numbers and taught in school that it is normal. Well, that is no enabler of prosperity.
    The NHS is a victim of its own success and has kept people healthy and living longer. Therefore it will have more people using it. The biggest addition is social care particularly for the elderly which requires adequate funding.

    It is less about open borders, obesity and single parents which is your ‘go to’ response on every one of these types of threads. People can prosper in spite of these circumstances but it is not easy and takes time.
    If it is so successful then why are so many people using it and looking how they do? It looks to be failing IMO.

    Yes, people can prosper and again that is my entire point too. But it is far more difficult when you are disadvantaged. My issue with single parenthood and open borders is that it makes it harder on those who are not exceptional. There are millions of people in any society who do not have an IQ of even 90. For them to stand any chance I would be protectionist and also encourage good behaviour rather than poor behavior. Like the video I posted argued, those without an education are far more likely to become single parents. They tend not to be as smart or able as the educated parents and are statistically more likely passing on bad habits.

    If you really want to help then you have to be honest to people about how harmful it is rather than sugar coating all the time and many do it with the saint single Mum line which is often utterly phony. They chose poorly, did not plan or consider the child, raised scantily and it is taboo to call it out. I defend Johnson with his own comments which were true, but considered taboo in a warped culture. Many would agree with him though.
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    Sugar coating will ultimately cause more harm in the long run as the double speak wears off, the truth comes out and then it is twice as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

    NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.
    Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve
    More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.
    Teachers are leaving the UK to teach overseas in greater numbers where the conditions are much better. They have no desire to work in that environment and many drop out of public school teaching within a few years. It is a rough job, as is working in a hospital. These are not success stories, Master.

    Where will you get the teachers from? You had them and they are leaving. Why would you want to have your life made hell in an inner city school when you could be in a more chilled international school where children are motivated? A teacher wants to help and make a difference, but not at the cost of their own sanity.

    https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...-refuge-abroad
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    And why do those teachers overseas seem so much happier? Because they are being teachers rather than substutute parents or social workers. Some of the stories in that article are horrific and it comes from parents having not raised their children well. It is so bad that the teachers won't do it anymore. I have a friend here who was going to go back home into public school teaching, he has totally backtracked on that having dome his research. A good teacher and for that matter an excellent father too. He would like to keep it that way.
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    Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

    All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.
    Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
    2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
    by local authorities
    , where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
    Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
    spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
    about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.





    Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


    Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.
    So local authorities have been spending less because they have been given less by the government. Which is what austerity has caused. "Malnourished pupils with grey skin are "filling their pockets" with food from school canteens in poor areas due to poverty" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43611527

    No one said families should not provide the basics for children but there are more families facing poverty and inequality has increased with austerity.
    Has immigration increased as well? Why does that not play a role here?
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    In terms of the hungry children, people like me and Brett Anderson used to have free school meals. We would have to feel the ignominy with our little peasant coupons, but you could eat chips, chicken burger, and even a chocolate eclair every single day washed down with a can of cherry coke. The government provided that and it was incredibly generous of them. It was still a Tory government too. Of course it was very bad for me and I now regret that kind of nutrition, but nobody taught you any better. But still, you cannot be starving when you eat that much even as one meal a day. Malnourished for sure, but calorie plenty. I could have obtained nutrition if I had learned what it was and how it would help me.

    Thatcher might have taken the milk but the chips were in profligate abundance under Major.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.
    Teachers are leaving because the job has got harder with performance targets, ofsted, becoming a social worker, all for lower pay.

    Austerity! Austerity! Austerity!

    You were from a single parent family and did well. Stop blaming them!
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    Notice how the two most vocal apologists for inhumane barbarity are two people who have not had to live under the regime they are defending for the last nine years. The arrogance and lack of humility or any kind of self awareness is not even shocking anymore, just routine getting on the soapbox and falling behind the broken American model they want to be forced onto everyone.

    Its like a moral cesspit here, where ignorance and cruelty are celebrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.
    Teachers are leaving because the job has got harder with performance targets, ofsted, becoming a social worker, all for lower pay.

    Austerity! Austerity! Austerity!

    You were from a single parent family and did well. Stop blaming them!
    "Every word of this article resonates with me. I left teaching in the UK for a small international school in Brussels after nearly twenty years in the profession. That was pre-Gove but the stresses then were becoming intolerable and everyday I felt sick at the prospect of going into school, with its ridiculous targets, ludicrous workloads, unsupportive management and disaffected kids All the joy had gone out of the job. Teaching in Brussels I earned less than in the UK, but the cost of living was lower and quality of life far better. Class sizes at an average of 16 were less than half the size of those I'd had in the UK and the kids were delightful, motivated and respectful. The curriculum allowed one to teach, not just tick boxes, so teaching was fun again. Family circumstances brought me back to the UK and I returned briefly to teaching here, but got out as soon as I could. I'd advise any teacher to consider international education if their circumstances allow. They'll never regret it."

    Has it been 20 years of austerity? This teacher takes it back way earlier than that and that is even the Guardians 'Pick Comment'.
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    My son, who is not political in anyway, hates Gove for making the GCSE harder, having to memories 18 poems for English. He used that hatred to fuel his focus to do well in the exams but austerity has made it worse in schools.
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