10 Biggest Polluters on Earth

[TitoFan]

I'll say it again. We should be focusing on something that no one can debate. That's pollution. After all... if man-made climate change is in fact real..... what causes it? Pollution, right?

Attack the source of the problem, and there will be little need to haggle over the consequential effects (or not).

Seems so simple to me... but then humanity has taken a liking to finding something to constantly bicker about.

Since pollution is the main topic of this thread, I figured this would be a good place for this.

https://phys.org/news/2019-02-plasti...n-animals.html

"Plastic found in deepest ocean animals"


Article's almost a year old, but it's still alarming.

Pollution remains probably the most vile of activities by mankind.

[Fatboxingfan]

Besides child porn yes, pollution is at the top of the list. I remember George Carlin one-time said that God only created human beings so that we could invent plastic. And that once plastic was invented God would wipe out human beings. It makes me sick to think of plastic in deep sea life you know what else is sickening Tito fan? There are literally hundreds of thousands now of Earth orbiting satellites some the size of a shoe box and others the size of a truck. There is no way for anyone to keep track of all this space metal probably 33% of which they are now saying is defunct or just dead and inoperable. It is already causing problems. It doesn't matter if it's under water or in the ground or in the air or now in outer space mankind is polluting and destroying everything like a bunch of bacteria in a petri dish shiting and pissing and shiting and pissing mountains of s*** and mountains of piss until it chokes itself out in a cesspool type of suicide

[TitoFan]

Remember that scene in The Matrix where an agent is talking to a handcuffed Morpheus? I find myself bringing that up every now and then. It's an old movie... and many may not have liked that part.... but it always stuck with me. It's where agent (Johnson?) is comparing the human race to a virus.

[Beanz]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...box=1576960474

[Fatboxingfan]

"For US industrial lobbies, this deal is the long-awaited chance to get rid of the rules banning things like chlorinated chicken and hormone-grown beef from our shelves, while leaving our climate and energy policies at the mercy of trade disputes.”

[El Kabong]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...box=1576960474

Money & power....that is all those "environmental" groups are about.

[Beanz]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...box=1576960474

Money & power....that is all those "environmental" groups are about.

Ha! Unlike the fossil fuel companies and your masters Murdoch and Trump. You sound like this absolute melt. In fact you claimed the same rubbish and had to retract the claims you made and apologise for it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_fb

[El Kabong]

Ha! Unlike the fossil fuel companies and your masters Murdoch and Trump. You sound like this absolute melt. In fact you claimed the same rubbish and had to retract the claims you made and apologise for it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_fb

What do the fossil fuel companies do to impact my individual life choices?

Windmills are bullshit


If they weren't bullshit why would the Kennedy's oppose them being placed near their compound?

Kennedy tries to halt windmills
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-124537-9804r/
A fight to block alternative fuel development that could replace oil-burning power plants for communities along the Nantucket Sound has created an unusual alliance on Capitol Hill, with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy backing the fight against the green proposal.

Mr. Kennedy, a staunch environmentalist, opposes the Cape Wind project, which will place windmills in the sound’s shallows to create electricity for customers in Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket.

Critics say the Massachusetts Democrat doesn’t want the Cape Wind project in his own back yard along with 130 windmills that might clutter the water view of the Kennedy clan’s vacation home. Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts’ junior senator and another key green ally, called attempts to derail the project an “insult.”


Now Standard Oil's John D. Rockefeller, yeah he was the prototype of these Climate Change Alarmists we see today and yes he wanted total and complete control of the working man....I didn't much care for him either, but he's dead and big oil is now a lot more diverse and doesn't have the control over the populace as it did before. Rockefeller was one of the people who got Prohibition enacted, delayed/ruined Alcohol being used as a fuel (though it's still used in race cars to this day). No denying his evil just as there's no denying the evil of this "green" movement...it'll be bloodier than Mao's Great Leap, but hey you know best don't you.

[TitoFan]

Engineers have in the past done a horseshit job of designing mechanisms to harness the wind and safely and efficiently convert it into electrical power. Yes... windmill failures are spectacularly visible for all to see, and provide perfect cannon fodder for those who oppose renewable energy sources. Videos of failing windmills are readily available, and I've seen others even more spectacular. It's an ongoing process. Maybe the perfect wind-harnessing mechanism is still in the future and just hasn't been envisioned yet. Maybe it's under development.

Still, the failure of one windmill has little long-term or widespread impact..... unlike these.


http://www.oceanfutures.org/news/blo...erican-history

[El Kabong]

Engineers have in the past done a horseshit job of designing mechanisms to harness the wind and safely and efficiently convert it into electrical power. Yes... windmill failures are spectacularly visible for all to see, and provide perfect cannon fodder for those who oppose renewable energy sources. Videos of failing windmills are readily available, and I've seen others even more spectacular. It's an ongoing process. Maybe the perfect wind-harnessing mechanism is still in the future and just hasn't been envisioned yet. Maybe it's under development.

Still, the failure of one windmill has little long-term or widespread impact..... unlike these.


http://www.oceanfutures.org/news/blo...erican-history

If the technology isn't ready then why force it on people? Make it better and people will buy it. It's not efficient....NUCLEAR is hands down the most efficient why the GREEN opposition to it then? Take that and chew it over...what do the Greenies get from saying "no" to nuclear? What's the hangup they have on it?

Where did the oil come from? The Earth...mother nature is a big complex thing and this sort of thing is bound to have happened naturally before (meaning certainly oil has been released into nature in mass amounts before, it has to have) and what happened? Did the world end? Did the Oceans dry up? Did the fish vanish? NO if there's a natural mess, Mother Nature typically handles it and oftentimes comes out the better for it....forest fires (to an extent) are quite beneficial to nature, hurricanes are beneficial albeit a pain in property owners' asses, flooding can be beneficial...oil comes from the Earth and Mother Nature handles her own shit....might look bad for creatures in the direct vicinity but on the whole, not even a drop in the bucket. I'm not saying it's a brilliant thing, I'm just saying it's going to be handled regardless of what we as humans do.

https://response.restoration.noaa.go...crobes-do.html



Life finds a way

[TitoFan]

Nuclear has had some spectacular failures. It's only natural for people to become gun-shy about it. Education however, goes a long way. It's a matter of continuing to educate the public about the more stringent standards adopted by the nuclear industry, because from every failure come learning opportunities.

Wind isn't being "forced". Numerous countries across the world have adopted the technology willingly and gratefully. They probably haven't had too many people getting squished by falling windmills, I guess.

Yeah.... Mother Nature can usually be counted on to clean up many of human beings' messes. But I hardly see that as good reasoning to continue pushing the envelope and our luck along with it.

[El Kabong]

Nuclear has had some spectacular failures. It's only natural for people to become gun-shy about it. Education however, goes a long way. It's a matter of continuing to educate the public about the more stringent standards adopted by the nuclear industry, because from every failure come learning opportunities.

Wind isn't being "forced". Numerous countries across the world have adopted the technology willingly and gratefully. They probably haven't had too many people getting squished by falling windmills, I guess.

Yeah.... Mother Nature can usually be counted on to clean up many of human beings' messes. But I hardly see that as good reasoning to continue pushing the envelope and our luck along with it.

There have only been 15 events involving nuclear power that have been on the International Nuclear Event Scale and only 2 have reached the highest level. 1: Chernobyl (Communist cheapness and incompetence) and 2: Fukishima (a massive earthquake out at sea which caused a tsunami and also dropped the elevation of Fukishima it was that big of a plate movement) and only 42 people have been directly killed. The majority of those from Chernobyl. This is from 62 years of nuclear power by the way, things have only gotten safer.

Wind IS being forced, it's being subsidized out the wazoo, that's FORCE it's the force of our tax dollars backing a kind of energy which ain't all that wonderful.


Well I guess millions upon millions should look forward to death by the elements and starvation just like the old days.

[Fatboxingfan]

Listen mankind is not going to save itself. No matter what technologies or safety measures are put in mankind is going to destroy itself just like every other creature on earth destroyed itself. We think we are too big for our britches but all we are are an evolved primate with a slightly bigger forebrain bundle who launched a few satellites and landed a couple of times on the moon

[TitoFan]

Nuclear has had some spectacular failures. It's only natural for people to become gun-shy about it. Education however, goes a long way. It's a matter of continuing to educate the public about the more stringent standards adopted by the nuclear industry, because from every failure come learning opportunities.

Wind isn't being "forced". Numerous countries across the world have adopted the technology willingly and gratefully. They probably haven't had too many people getting squished by falling windmills, I guess.

Yeah.... Mother Nature can usually be counted on to clean up many of human beings' messes. But I hardly see that as good reasoning to continue pushing the envelope and our luck along with it.

There have only been 15 events involving nuclear power that have been on the International Nuclear Event Scale and only 2 have reached the highest level. 1: Chernobyl (Communist cheapness and incompetence) and 2: Fukishima (a massive earthquake out at sea which caused a tsunami and also dropped the elevation of Fukishima it was that big of a plate movement) and only 42 people have been directly killed. The majority of those from Chernobyl. This is from 62 years of nuclear power by the way, things have only gotten safer.

Wind IS being forced, it's being subsidized out the wazoo, that's FORCE it's the force of our tax dollars backing a kind of energy which ain't all that wonderful.


Well I guess millions upon millions should look forward to death by the elements and starvation just like the old days.

Maybe Trump will get re-elected and opt out of wind altogether. You know... some kind of decree or something. Meanwhile, other countries will continue to R&D the shit out of renewables and the U.S. can be left in the dust.
Coal dust, to be specific.

At least we seem to agree on nuclear.

[Fatboxingfan]

Nuclear has had some spectacular failures. It's only natural for people to become gun-shy about it. Education however, goes a long way. It's a matter of continuing to educate the public about the more stringent standards adopted by the nuclear industry, because from every failure come learning opportunities.

Wind isn't being "forced". Numerous countries across the world have adopted the technology willingly and gratefully. They probably haven't had too many people getting squished by falling windmills, I guess.

Yeah.... Mother Nature can usually be counted on to clean up many of human beings' messes. But I hardly see that as good reasoning to continue pushing the envelope and our luck along with it.

There have only been 15 events involving nuclear power that have been on the International Nuclear Event Scale and only 2 have reached the highest level. 1: Chernobyl (Communist cheapness and incompetence) and 2: Fukishima (a massive earthquake out at sea which caused a tsunami and also dropped the elevation of Fukishima it was that big of a plate movement) and only 42 people have been directly killed. The majority of those from Chernobyl. This is from 62 years of nuclear power by the way, things have only gotten safer.

Wind IS being forced, it's being subsidized out the wazoo, that's FORCE it's the force of our tax dollars backing a kind of energy which ain't all that wonderful.


Well I guess millions upon millions should look forward to death by the elements and starvation just like the old days.

Maybe Trump will get re-elected and opt out of wind altogether. You know... some kind of decree or something. Meanwhile, other countries will continue to R&D the shit out of renewables and the U.S. can be left in the dust.
Coal dust, to be specific.

At least we seem to agree on nuclear.

Wait,..... Did he just say "MAYBE" Trump will get reelected?