Is Andy Ruiz's career over? (Physically AND mentally)

[Fatboxingfan]

Physically, inside sources are saying that he has already ballooned over 310 lb and that he came into the ring at close to 295 lb
Training for 12 weeks and weighing in at 283.7 lb makes one Wonder what he weighed before he started training!

Mentally, it must not be very good for one's self esteem to realize you have just lost four championship belts that you swore to God you would never let go of over your dead body, all due to suddenly waking up in silk pajamas and not wanting to run 3 miles a day. If you could not get motivated to prove that the first fight was not a fluke then how can you get motivated after this fiasco?

I suspect that this was the end of "lash in the pan" Andy Ruiz Jr.

In addition to all of that you have to ask yourself what promoter will actually bother with this guy anymore? If that is all the respect that he can show himself and the fans and the promoters and the sport of boxing itself then why should anybody ever bother again to promote one of his fights? If he thought it was okay to come into the ring close to 295 pounds TO TRY TO RETAIN HIS TITLES, then will he think it is okay to come into the ring at 325 lb FOR AN ORDINARY NON-TITLE FIGHT

You really do have to wonder about that question.

Stick a fork in it Andy (I'm sure you literally already have!). 🍔🌮🍕🍟🍰🍗🥩🥞🥪

[Master]

Ruiz had his moment of fame but blew it when he became champ just like Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas did. Yes he made a lot of money but he really let himself down. He will try and get back into the heavyweight picture but will never become champion again. He will regret that for the rest of his life.

[Fatboxingfan]

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

[El Kabong]

Yes and no

Yes: He's never going to win a meaningful title ever again ever. Why? Because people now know (though they should have known before) what he does and AJ has put out the blueprint to basically treat him like David Tua.

No: He's still a relatively young fighter, he's got power, he's a good boxer for his height and weight, and he's a very good FIGHTER and those things mean he beats most competition who don't have true boxing skills. But it also means he gets paid more than a few more times, maybe one more giant one vs AJ and a few more after that as an acid test for the division.

[Gandalf]

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

Ruuz couldn't close the gap to let his hands go. He was that heavy. Just a frustrated beached whale getting frustrated saying 'Come here and let me hit you'. He is one of those lottery winners that spends it all on helicopters and then ends up back as a cleaner within a year. There are levels in life and Ruiz kind of proves that life is about hierarchies and that the truly successful are those who put the genuine work in.

Higgins was a great snooker player, but Steve Davis will always have the greater record. You can apply it to so many things and that is why in many cases people are more successful than others. Skill, hard work and a little dash of luck. Minus those things and you go nowhere.

[Fatboxingfan]

So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

[mikeeod]

I wonder if he will go the way of Buster Douglas/Lamon Brewster/Jesse Furguson or Ray Mercer/Riddick Bowe/Roberto Duran. Douglas/Brewster/Furguson won their big fights, ate themselves out of shape losing rematches, and never ascended to that level again. Mercer/Bowe/Duran made a career out of fluctuating between coming to fight in great shape and being grossly out of shape and mailing in their training. Now that I think about it, James Toney fits into that camp as well.

What will hurt Ruiz is that now he will be avoided and worse- fans won’t be behind him anymore. If he comes back on great shape and loses a good fight, he can recover with the fans (if he even loses anything). The way he came in, he has zero sympathy.

[Gandalf]

Only for some, there are many people who overcame appalling childhoods. Charles Dickens springs readily to mind as does Oprah Winfrey. I am sure their scars bothered them, but it didn't hold them back.

Even mental illness is something that can be overcome. BPD is the mother of mental traumas and 75% of patients make big improvements in a year. All success is about discipline and hardwork and that includes overcoming childhood adversity.

Did Ruiz have a bad childhood or something? An inability to control weight is usually a sign of something deeper and to do it now? It suggests he has skill, some luck, but the hard work isn't quite enough.

[Alpha]

Ruiz will get another high level fight or 2. Will he win and be committed is another question. I think there are some fun fights he can be involved in. But it really does depend on his desire. Just following his opponent around and not letting his hands go (as he did with Parker) will generate the same results. I would like to see him against Kownacki, but there arre manny fights he can be competitive in, if he can focus and get down to business.

[Gandalf]

So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

See, you brought all this childhood trauma stuff up in a thread about Andy Ruiz.

I happened to agree with you that it might be a factor, but just disagreed that a bad childhood means you must ruin a career. In some cases yes, in other cases not so much.

[Beanz]

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

Ruuz couldn't close the gap to let his hands go. He was that heavy. Just a frustrated beached whale getting frustrated saying 'Come here and let me hit you'. He is one of those lottery winners that spends it all on helicopters and then ends up back as a cleaner within a year. There are levels in life and Ruiz kind of proves that life is about hierarchies and that the truly successful are those who put the genuine work in.

Higgins was a great snooker player, but Steve Davis will always have the greater record. You can apply it to so many things and that is why in many cases people are more successful than others. Skill, hard work and a little dash of luck. Minus those things and you go nowhere.

Ha!

[Fatboxingfan]

Gandalf I really do not think your research has been thorough enough on the subject ....you really do like to simplify things when they are a lot more complicated than you make them out to be. Your wishful thinking seems to Trump scientific evidence almost every single time. You latch onto one author who validates your particular preference and then you claim it to be scientific evidence for the whole world. Very few people can recover from severe trauma so that they can live the life they would have lived had they not experienced that trauma. You love to speak in vague terms like recovery but what does recovery actually mean? You are so vague that most of the time it is very hard to dispute anything with you on a point-by-point basis

Now back to Ruiz. @Mark TKO you got that right about the rubber match but if he doesn't lose the weight it will turn out to be a BLUBBER MATCH.

[Gandalf]

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

Ruuz couldn't close the gap to let his hands go. He was that heavy. Just a frustrated beached whale getting frustrated saying 'Come here and let me hit you'. He is one of those lottery winners that spends it all on helicopters and then ends up back as a cleaner within a year. There are levels in life and Ruiz kind of proves that life is about hierarchies and that the truly successful are those who put the genuine work in.

Higgins was a great snooker player, but Steve Davis will always have the greater record. You can apply it to so many things and that is why in many cases people are more successful than others. Skill, hard work and a little dash of luck. Minus those things and you go nowhere.

Ha!

Is it not true that if you put the work in you tend to do better? Prime Tyson was better partly because he did work hard. His room was messy, but he worked hard. When he did not and still had a messy room it became a problem. Tyson was at the top because he was ths best. His room seems cleaner these days and he is the happier for it. All makes sense. If you eat donuts everyday you will be a fat mess and there is no way around that. You have to work at everything.

Talent + effort + mental/physical fortitude = Great potential.

[Fatboxingfan]

Ruiz had his moment of fame but blew it when he became champ just like Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas did. Yes he made a lot of money but he really let himself down. He will try and get back into the heavyweight picture but will never become champion again. He will regret that for the rest of his life.

Yes he blew it. And it'll be a lifetime regret. Even worse than Leon's, I feel.

[Beanz]

Physically, inside sources are saying that he has already ballooned over 310 lb and that he came into the ring at close to 295 lb
Training for 12 weeks and weighing in at 283.7 lb makes one Wonder what he weighed before he started training!

Mentally, it must not be very good for one's self esteem to realize you have just lost four championship belts that you swore to God you would never let go of over your dead body, all due to suddenly waking up in silk pajamas and not wanting to run 3 miles a day. If you could not get motivated to prove that the first fight was not a fluke then how can you get motivated after this fiasco?

I suspect that this was the end of "lash in the pan" Andy Ruiz Jr.

In addition to all of that you have to ask yourself what promoter will actually bother with this guy anymore? If that is all the respect that he can show himself and the fans and the promoters and the sport of boxing itself then why should anybody ever bother again to promote one of his fights? If he thought it was okay to come into the ring close to 295 pounds TO TRY TO RETAIN HIS TITLES, then will he think it is okay to come into the ring at 325 lb FOR AN ORDINARY NON-TITLE FIGHT

You really do have to wonder about that question.

Stick a fork in it Andy (I'm sure you literally already have!). ����������������� ������������������ ������������������ ����

5 minutes ago you were telling us all how Joshua's Career was over.







Maybe stick a fucking sock in it mate