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    from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
    Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

    And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

    Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.
    None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick
    I'm just trying to figure out a way for them to win next time
    Try and learn English first.

    Labour do not need your help.
    Learn English? I don't get it

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    from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
    Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

    And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

    Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.
    None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick
    I'm just trying to figure out a way for them to win next time
    Wait for the type of people who think it is natural to get on their knees to the Bullingdon Bastards to die.

    Working class people voting tory is literally insane. The Tories have already started to shut down anything but right wing media and are changing laws to make it impossible to vote them out. The next election may never even happen.

    It is a dysopian reality.

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    Following the “disastrous” result, Alan Johnson MP launched into a scathing critique of Mr Corbyn’s leadership - saying the he should resign “immediately”.

    Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Mr Johnson said: “Labour tried to fool the public into thinking that money was no object.

    “But the main problem at this election wasn’t the manifesto; the main problem was Corbyn. A weak, self-regarding, pious man incapable of leadership.”

    Mr Johnson then went on to claim Mr Corbyn failed to appeal to working class communities that had consistently put trust in Labour.

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    John McDonnell now taking all the blame from the Shadows.

    Beanz, if that's the case what you say that is really bad news and not looking so good especially if they try to change the laws like you said to make it impossible to get them out of there. God bless those marginalized people and let's hope for the best. I'm only trying to figure out what they can do next time but Master says that they don't need my help. I don't know why he has to make that kind of personal snipe at me I'm seriously analyzing what went wrong to the best of my ability. I guess he doesn't want me to analyze anything.

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    Yes, but you are basically saying that you know better and that they are basically all duped. It couldn't be that actually they want Brexit and that is a priority? The same Brexit that has been delayed by not only May, but the complete resistance of Labour. You don't see how that looked to people?

    All Labour had to do was listen. But they didn't and you are displaying the same mentality here with the 'People may have had good intentions, but they were duped and will be shat on'. Well, if so there will be another election in about 5 years.

    There is choice but Labour put itself in a terrible position and not only that but had scandalous things in its manifesto. Why would Corbyn want almost fully formed babies murdered? Why would you give the vote to kids? Why would you not listen to the 70% that want significantly reduced migration. It is because they thought they knew better and did not need to listen.

    I can tell you right now what happens when you increase the minimum wage 20%. Unemployment and economic stagnation and you have open borders too. That is mental. I don't know better but have witnessed what happened when a similar experiment was tried here. Big mistake and it hurts everybody. Labour might have costed it out in theory, but had they observed it in practice?

    Labour was a risk that was likely going to continue Brexit for years. At least now, good or bad, things can move on.

    I get that people want Brexit but that does not excuse voting Tory. Plenty of leavers refused to do so.

    There was a lot of really good stuff in the Labour manifesto so why can't you bring yourself to admit it. Stuff you preached about for years and now you are back to playing pretend in order to keep to your weird new ideology. I bet you never even read it. Not a word and relied on second hand interpretations.

    Just saying things like

    "Why would Corbyn want almost fully formed babies murdered" is sick mate. It is the worse form of gutter journalism. To think that i thought you were better than someone who would repeat tabloid shclok like that. The manifesto promised to decriminalize abortion not make it a free for all. What are you a Catholic now? Do you want to control women so much you want to tell them what to do with their bodies?

    It is the same as being so mean that even though you live in SK you want to stop people at the bottom of the rung being paid enough to live on. Forgive me but you sound like a right Victorian Scrooge like bastard of a man

    Labour wanted to go far beyond most countries in terms of when abortion could be carried and that to me is murder. Abortion in the very early stages as the result of irresponsibility I can understand, but after a certain period, that is then a baby with arms, legs, and common human features. I am not evil and would prefer people to act responsibly and consider their actions before resorting to murder. I am in favor of abortion, but only in the early stages.

    Again there you are saying people had 'no excuse to vote Tory'. You are dealing with a 2 party tyranny in a FPTP system, so people could see that they had a chance for Brexit or a chance to continue the same old uncertainty. They seem to want it done. It does not even mean they are Tories.

    I agree with you that there was good stuff in the manifesto, but ultimately when push comes to shove the priority here was independence and Corbyn, though I am sure got it privately, was tied to his Party. Or maybe I am wrong and he had his own flip and really wanted the EU having claimed to have voted for it. I don't know. Either way it was a miscalculation that became pronounced as soon as it was obvious his party was pro EU and that he would renege on a promise to respect the results of the referendum. It was an extraordinary miscalculation. It cost Labour the North ot England. That is something that DOES NOT HAPPEN. It did.

    I do not want people unable to afford to live. That is untrue. To put it into context here. If you have even a full time supermarket job you can earn about 1.7 million a month. You can rent a 3 bedroom middle class family home for 600,000 or a poorer studio for yourself, furnished, bills included for half that. That leaves you with about 70 plus percent of your income to do what you want with. It isn't the workhouse. Even the lowest level jobs can provide a relatively decent standard of living. It is kind of similar in the UK in that with a little modesty you can do okay. I always had money in the UK, but the truth was I was young and spent it and I spent madly in my early years here too. Not smart.

    All I argue is that by not being a consumer maniac, you can actually do okay in life. I am no scrooge as I spend money freely, but within reason. Instead of spending my money on say watches like Walrus, I put it into health or a nice meal or a nice jacket or what have you. It is all part of growing up. Not sure how any of that makes me a bastard of a man, but hey, whatever.

    Actually you are evil. In many demonstrable ways.
    That is not an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
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    Yes, but you are basically saying that you know better and that they are basically all duped. It couldn't be that actually they want Brexit and that is a priority? The same Brexit that has been delayed by not only May, but the complete resistance of Labour. You don't see how that looked to people?

    All Labour had to do was listen. But they didn't and you are displaying the same mentality here with the 'People may have had good intentions, but they were duped and will be shat on'. Well, if so there will be another election in about 5 years.

    There is choice but Labour put itself in a terrible position and not only that but had scandalous things in its manifesto. Why would Corbyn want almost fully formed babies murdered? Why would you give the vote to kids? Why would you not listen to the 70% that want significantly reduced migration. It is because they thought they knew better and did not need to listen.

    I can tell you right now what happens when you increase the minimum wage 20%. Unemployment and economic stagnation and you have open borders too. That is mental. I don't know better but have witnessed what happened when a similar experiment was tried here. Big mistake and it hurts everybody. Labour might have costed it out in theory, but had they observed it in practice?

    Labour was a risk that was likely going to continue Brexit for years. At least now, good or bad, things can move on.

    I get that people want Brexit but that does not excuse voting Tory. Plenty of leavers refused to do so.

    There was a lot of really good stuff in the Labour manifesto so why can't you bring yourself to admit it. Stuff you preached about for years and now you are back to playing pretend in order to keep to your weird new ideology. I bet you never even read it. Not a word and relied on second hand interpretations.

    Just saying things like

    "Why would Corbyn want almost fully formed babies murdered" is sick mate. It is the worse form of gutter journalism. To think that i thought you were better than someone who would repeat tabloid shclok like that. The manifesto promised to decriminalize abortion not make it a free for all. What are you a Catholic now? Do you want to control women so much you want to tell them what to do with their bodies?

    It is the same as being so mean that even though you live in SK you want to stop people at the bottom of the rung being paid enough to live on. Forgive me but you sound like a right Victorian Scrooge like bastard of a man

    Labour wanted to go far beyond most countries in terms of when abortion could be carried and that to me is murder. Abortion in the very early stages as the result of irresponsibility I can understand, but after a certain period, that is then a baby with arms, legs, and common human features. I am not evil and would prefer people to act responsibly and consider their actions before resorting to murder. I am in favor of abortion, but only in the early stages.

    Again there you are saying people had 'no excuse to vote Tory'. You are dealing with a 2 party tyranny in a FPTP system, so people could see that they had a chance for Brexit or a chance to continue the same old uncertainty. They seem to want it done. It does not even mean they are Tories.

    I agree with you that there was good stuff in the manifesto, but ultimately when push comes to shove the priority here was independence and Corbyn, though I am sure got it privately, was tied to his Party. Or maybe I am wrong and he had his own flip and really wanted the EU having claimed to have voted for it. I don't know. Either way it was a miscalculation that became pronounced as soon as it was obvious his party was pro EU and that he would renege on a promise to respect the results of the referendum. It was an extraordinary miscalculation. It cost Labour the North ot England. That is something that DOES NOT HAPPEN. It did.

    I do not want people unable to afford to live. That is untrue. To put it into context here. If you have even a full time supermarket job you can earn about 1.7 million a month. You can rent a 3 bedroom middle class family home for 600,000 or a poorer studio for yourself, furnished, bills included for half that. That leaves you with about 70 plus percent of your income to do what you want with. It isn't the workhouse. Even the lowest level jobs can provide a relatively decent standard of living. It is kind of similar in the UK in that with a little modesty you can do okay. I always had money in the UK, but the truth was I was young and spent it and I spent madly in my early years here too. Not smart.

    All I argue is that by not being a consumer maniac, you can actually do okay in life. I am no scrooge as I spend money freely, but within reason. Instead of spending my money on say watches like Walrus, I put it into health or a nice meal or a nice jacket or what have you. It is all part of growing up. Not sure how any of that makes me a bastard of a man, but hey, whatever.

    Actually you are evil. In many demonstrable ways.
    That is not an argument.
    If course not. It is a fact.
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    Last 2 elections Corbyn has stood for Labour and nearly won the first time in 2017. He stood on a brexit platform as well.

    In 2015 Milliband stood and he was a Cameron clone and was a disaster.

    Labour need a fresh approach, new young dynamic leader who can capitalise on the mistakes that Boris will make.
    My mistake. Last 3. I was meaning Mr Logic aka milliband.

    I didn't particularly want Boris but as I said he'd get my vote against the alternative every time. Think a lot of people were in that boat.

    Could be another long tory spell like 79-97 until some YouTuber wins by a landslide with no previous experience. Could be sooner than we think.

    I wouldn't come home any time soon miles
    I like Jess Philips, she is impressive and could turn Labour around quickly in time for the next general election.
    You are incredible, Master. I would actually come home for a laugh should that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
    Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

    And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

    Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.
    None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick
    I'm just trying to figure out a way for them to win next time
    Wait for the type of people who think it is natural to get on their knees to the Bullingdon Bastards to die.

    Working class people voting tory is literally insane. The Tories have already started to shut down anything but right wing media and are changing laws to make it impossible to vote them out. The next election may never even happen.

    It is a dysopian reality.

    Jews, Roma Gypsies, Muslims, The Disabled are going to made to disappear and the unions will follow, then the poor.
    If I am evil, may I suggest that you might be moderately insane.

    Hyperbole much. 😮

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    It's all daft.

    Nationalising the rail will improve nothing. The nhs is an impossible cause. For what it's worth I've never trusted any politician.

    Is jess Phillips any relation to Wilson?
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    Yes, but you are basically saying that you know better and that they are basically all duped. It couldn't be that actually they want Brexit and that is a priority? The same Brexit that has been delayed by not only May, but the complete resistance of Labour. You don't see how that looked to people?

    All Labour had to do was listen. But they didn't and you are displaying the same mentality here with the 'People may have had good intentions, but they were duped and will be shat on'. Well, if so there will be another election in about 5 years.

    There is choice but Labour put itself in a terrible position and not only that but had scandalous things in its manifesto. Why would Corbyn want almost fully formed babies murdered? Why would you give the vote to kids? Why would you not listen to the 70% that want significantly reduced migration. It is because they thought they knew better and did not need to listen.

    I can tell you right now what happens when you increase the minimum wage 20%. Unemployment and economic stagnation and you have open borders too. That is mental. I don't know better but have witnessed what happened when a similar experiment was tried here. Big mistake and it hurts everybody. Labour might have costed it out in theory, but had they observed it in practice?

    Labour was a risk that was likely going to continue Brexit for years. At least now, good or bad, things can move on.

    I get that people want Brexit but that does not excuse voting Tory. Plenty of leavers refused to do so.

    There was a lot of really good stuff in the Labour manifesto so why can't you bring yourself to admit it. Stuff you preached about for years and now you are back to playing pretend in order to keep to your weird new ideology. I bet you never even read it. Not a word and relied on second hand interpretations.

    Just saying things like

    "Why would Corbyn want almost fully formed babies murdered" is sick mate. It is the worse form of gutter journalism. To think that i thought you were better than someone who would repeat tabloid shclok like that. The manifesto promised to decriminalize abortion not make it a free for all. What are you a Catholic now? Do you want to control women so much you want to tell them what to do with their bodies?

    It is the same as being so mean that even though you live in SK you want to stop people at the bottom of the rung being paid enough to live on. Forgive me but you sound like a right Victorian Scrooge like bastard of a man

    Labour wanted to go far beyond most countries in terms of when abortion could be carried and that to me is murder. Abortion in the very early stages as the result of irresponsibility I can understand, but after a certain period, that is then a baby with arms, legs, and common human features. I am not evil and would prefer people to act responsibly and consider their actions before resorting to murder. I am in favor of abortion, but only in the early stages.

    Again there you are saying people had 'no excuse to vote Tory'. You are dealing with a 2 party tyranny in a FPTP system, so people could see that they had a chance for Brexit or a chance to continue the same old uncertainty. They seem to want it done. It does not even mean they are Tories.

    I agree with you that there was good stuff in the manifesto, but ultimately when push comes to shove the priority here was independence and Corbyn, though I am sure got it privately, was tied to his Party. Or maybe I am wrong and he had his own flip and really wanted the EU having claimed to have voted for it. I don't know. Either way it was a miscalculation that became pronounced as soon as it was obvious his party was pro EU and that he would renege on a promise to respect the results of the referendum. It was an extraordinary miscalculation. It cost Labour the North ot England. That is something that DOES NOT HAPPEN. It did.

    I do not want people unable to afford to live. That is untrue. To put it into context here. If you have even a full time supermarket job you can earn about 1.7 million a month. You can rent a 3 bedroom middle class family home for 600,000 or a poorer studio for yourself, furnished, bills included for half that. That leaves you with about 70 plus percent of your income to do what you want with. It isn't the workhouse. Even the lowest level jobs can provide a relatively decent standard of living. It is kind of similar in the UK in that with a little modesty you can do okay. I always had money in the UK, but the truth was I was young and spent it and I spent madly in my early years here too. Not smart.

    All I argue is that by not being a consumer maniac, you can actually do okay in life. I am no scrooge as I spend money freely, but within reason. Instead of spending my money on say watches like Walrus, I put it into health or a nice meal or a nice jacket or what have you. It is all part of growing up. Not sure how any of that makes me a bastard of a man, but hey, whatever.

    Actually you are evil. In many demonstrable ways.
    That is not an argument.
    If course not. It is a fact.
    It is not a fact either.

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    I have to agree with beanerbabies here. Miles is evil. His opinion is babies shouldn’t be killed late term, sick. Basically anyone who doesn’t agree with me and beaner is evil. Calling those with ideas different than ours is a proper way to handle diversity of thought. When I see miles coming I head for the safe room. #saintlybeaner

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    I have to agree with beanerbabies here. Miles is evil. His opinion is babies shouldn’t be killed late term, sick. Basically anyone who doesn’t agree with me and beaner is evil. Calling those with ideas different than ours is a proper way to handle diversity of thought. When I see miles coming I head for the safe room. #saintlybeaner

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    John Mann, now truly out in the open as a Tory-made peer and wearing his peerage proudly in his Twitter handle, is coming for the left media. Using his role as Boris Johnson’s ‘antisemitism tsar’, he has announced an investigation into the left media. With no trace of irony, he named the Canary in his announcement.
    The founders of the Canary are Jewish.
    Mann, who resigned as an MP before the election to take up his Tory peerage and job, has a track record of anti-Gypsy discrimination and has been blamed by local Gypsy Travellers for making their lives a misery. He was interviewed by police in a hate-crime investigation, after putting out a leaflet that included them in a list of anti-social nuisances.
    Such details will be ignored by the Establishment media, of course – as will the fact that Mann seems to have no intention of investigating racism in the Tory party....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TKO View Post
    It's all daft.

    Nationalising the rail will improve nothing. The nhs is an impossible cause. For what it's worth I've never trusted any politician.

    Is jess Phillips any relation to Wilson?
    It's exactly what I was saying

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