Impeachment

[TitoFan]

Meanwhile, Herr Trump will pursue his personal vendetta against all those who dare criticize him.

Is it those who "criticize" him or is it those who have attempted to knife him politically?

As for Mitt Romney he's just assumed the John McCain role. Which is "I'm a hardcore Conservative when I run for office, but 'muh conshunce & muh heart' when I'm in office" .....the same media that claimed he gave someone cancer and also had "women in binders" are now celebrating him ONLY because of his vote against Trump nothing more.

Has Romney been a waffler? Damn right. So has every single politician in the history of the nation, including Donald Trump.

Still doesn't change the fact that he took the totally unpopular position and one that he knew would bring the party down on his head.

[TitoFan]

I mean, c'mon.......

Just 'cause a Republican doesn't like or agree with Trump nor his ways doesn't make him/her a bad person...... or a traitor, like Trump would probably say.

We should hope politicians are their own people and can stand on their own two feet without eyeing the polls out of the corners of their eyes with everything they say or do.

[walrus]

I mean, c'mon.......

Just 'cause a Republican doesn't like or agree with Trump nor his ways doesn't make him/her a bad person...... or a traitor, like Trump would probably say.

We should hope politicians are their own people and can stand on their own two feet without eyeing the polls out of the corners of their eyes with everything they say or do.

Well he made all those never trump speeches before he was elected. Obviously never liked him nor wanted him to be president. I really don’t think this was driven mainly by being righteous as he is presenting it. It’s really not of much consequence. An impeachment require 2/3 and there wasn’t a person around who would put money on that happening but I guess it’s ok because as Nancy says “impeachment is forever, that scar won’t go away” I guess that was the intent all along.

[walrus]

Granted....... I'm saying all this and I..... 1) preferred Trump over Hillary, 2) have criticized the Democratic Party till I'm blue in the face, 3) have given Trump his due on the things I feel he's done right. But I refuse to be polarized to the extreme 99.99999999 % of the people are regarding Trump.

Well tits this quite differs from your first post on the subject. If you are calling Trump the most divisive president are you leaving aside the war presidents?

War presidents? Because half the nation doesn't want war and the other does? Well.... that's kind of unavoidable, isn't it.

We're not talking about differences in basic philosophies here. Even Presidents who have chosen to go to war have tried to unite the nation behind them.

We're talking about a POTUS who can barely hide his glee when people are going at each others' throats. The worse the carnage, the happier he is.

Historically I don’t think he is the most divisive president. Shit look at Carter and he didn’t use any bad words. I see all the hate, I think it gets a little overboard. I really don’t see any of his policies or deregulation’s as bad. He says stupid stuff it doesn’t really bother me that much. I do have some serious concerns over a certain faction of the democrats. Funny we don’t hear much about it but when the tea party was first around damn they were torn up and targeted by the IRS etc. now we have a group of people holding office that call certain parts of our law enforcement bodies evil. I’m not big on law enforcement I think they have too much power and don’t always use it properly but I wouldn’t call ICE workers Nazis and want them abolished. Anyway things are what they are, I get annoyed with Trump sometimes but the squad and the radical arm of the Dems seriously scare me. They want to do some frightening shit. I’ll take bad words and stupid tweets over that anyday. Talk about divisive

[El Kabong]

President Trump endorsed Mitt for Senate in 2018....and much like President Trump buried the hatchet and let bygones be bygones with McCain only to have McCain turn on him and not give him the vote to repeal and replace (which McCain ran on....so McCain not only lied to Trump but he lied to his constituents) and it caused trouble for the Trump administration, Mitt has stepped in and done that same thing.


These people aren't just traitors to President Trump on a personal level as in they've disappointed him or took a shot at him, these are people who have labeled him the worst of the worst and attepted to not only remove him from office, but ruin him completely by hook or by crook. And once you understand that, then you understand why he'd respond in such a heavy handed manner....of course the media spins everything anyway look at how they mocked him for the ceremonial feeding of the fish in Japan...he did exactly as the PM did and yet the press seized upon that and attempted to make him look like a bumbling oaf. CUI BONO?


Just ask who profits from these attacks and it starts making a little sense. I didn't start out the biggest Trump fan, but shit I'm ready for other leaders to show the fucking stones Trump has the past 3 years. He is a rock.

[Nameless]

I mean, c'mon.......

Just 'cause a Republican doesn't like or agree with Trump nor his ways doesn't make him/her a bad person...... or a traitor, like Trump would probably say.

We should hope politicians are their own people and can stand on their own two feet without eyeing the polls out of the corners of their eyes with everything they say or do.

I totally agree. I am quite shocked at the number of very close collaborators of Trump have been tied/prove guilty of illicit links with top Russian agents. I am also shocked that Mitch McConnell did everything he could to block witnesses at Trump's impeachment (even though we knew he'd be exonerated because of the Republican majority) when he was telling EXACTLY the opposite at Clinton's impeachment, a few decades earlier.

[Spicoli]

Quick question, will trump be re-elected?

I'm not too up on American politics, I saw he was acquitted and I know he has lovers and haters and doesn't seem to have any inbetweeners, what are the odds?

The acquittal was a foregone conclusion from the outset as the votes for removal were obviously not there. Closest thing was having maybe about half dozen Republicans coming out calling his conduct regarding the call in question either shameful, wrong, problematic, not good and not perfect. Basic lip service and a finger wagging with only 1 Republican voting for his removal. Personally I find critical thinking and standing on convictions against the masses to be admirable and speaks to a mans character. I think had an actual Republican alternative found backing and all primaries allowing actual competition within the party an Independent voter swing would have been big along with others wanting off the Trump train. As an Independent I certainly would have looked at a Republican before a few of the current Dems save maybe for Buttigieg. I'll eat dirt and drive a nail through my toe before voting for a Sanders. I think Bidens time is ticking within the Dem voters base and he'll call it a day shortly. Trump certainly has the momentum at present and has managed to reach an all time approval rating of 49% of voters. But Trump gonna Trump and any falter in the strong economy which is the literal spine of his reelection his base may be chipped away at as it's certainly not massively expanding. Time will tell but I guarantee this will be the ugliest election year in our history.

[Gandalf]

Quick question, will trump be re-elected?

I'm not too up on American politics, I saw he was acquitted and I know he has lovers and haters and doesn't seem to have any inbetweeners, what are the odds?

The acquittal was a foregone conclusion from the outset as the votes for removal were obviously not there. Closest thing was having maybe about half dozen Republicans coming out calling his conduct regarding the call in question either shameful, wrong, problematic, not good and not perfect. Basic lip service and a finger wagging with only 1 Republican voting for his removal. Personally I find critical thinking and standing on convictions against the masses to be admirable and speaks to a mans character. I think had an actual Republican alternative found backing and all primaries allowing actual competition within the party an Independent voter swing would have been big along with others wanting off the Trump train. As an Independent I certainly would have looked at a Republican before a few of the current Dems save maybe for Buttigieg. I'll eat dirt and drive a nail through my toe before voting for a Sanders. I think Bidens time is ticking within the Dem voters base and he'll call it a day shortly. Trump certainly has the momentum at present and has managed to reach an all time approval rating of 49% of voters. But Trump gonna Trump and any falter in the strong economy which is the literal spine of his reelection his base may be chipped away at as it's certainly not massively expanding. Time will tell but I guarantee this will be the ugliest election year in our history.

Batman, I think he is saying Trump has a decent chance. 😜

[Kirkland Laing]

If Mueller couldn't prove something beyond reasonable doubt means I lost the bet then by your own determinant if Mueller could prove it beyond reasonable doubt then I win the bet. And Mueller has proof beyond reasonable doubt that the Russians hacked the DNC. So pay up.

you said and I quote "hacked all the emails" keyword there being ALL as in 100%....did he prove that? No, no he didn't. Thank you very much.

Oh and well done Mitt Romney. I would say history will be very kind to you for what you did but it depends who ends up writing the history books, doesn't it. Not looking too clever on that front recently.

Yes it's quite bipolar recently in 2012 Mitt was giving people cancer and stuffing women in binders and now he's a REEEEEEEEEsistance hero

Mueller has evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the DNC system was hacked by the Russians. They have it down to the individual Russians who did the whole thing. The evidence showing they did it was all checked by a team of specialised national security/intel lawyers at the DOJ and they then issued the indictments. Everybody responsible for the hacking has been charged and they're all Russian intel guys.

Romney got mocked for the binders full of women thing because it was eminently mockable. It became a meme because it's a bizarre turn of phrase and fed into the whole animatronic corporate droid personality that Romney has. But here he did something noble. He actually put his oath to defend the Constitution above his Senate career unlike the rest of the GOP. It's quite possible for even complete scumbags, which Romney is not, to do something good at some point in their lives and there's no contradiction or incongruity in pointing out when somebody does something good.

[Kirkland Laing]

Granted....... I'm saying all this and I..... 1) preferred Trump over Hillary, 2) have criticized the Democratic Party till I'm blue in the face, 3) have given Trump his due on the things I feel he's done right. But I refuse to be polarized to the extreme 99.99999999 % of the people are regarding Trump.

Well tits this quite differs from your first post on the subject. If you are calling Trump the most divisive president are you leaving aside the war presidents?

War presidents? Because half the nation doesn't want war and the other does? Well.... that's kind of unavoidable, isn't it.

We're not talking about differences in basic philosophies here. Even Presidents who have chosen to go to war have tried to unite the nation behind them.

We're talking about a POTUS who can barely hide his glee when people are going at each others' throats. The worse the carnage, the happier he is.

Historically I don’t think he is the most divisive president. Shit look at Carter and he didn’t use any bad words. I see all the hate, I think it gets a little overboard. I really don’t see any of his policies or deregulation’s as bad. He says stupid stuff it doesn’t really bother me that much. I do have some serious concerns over a certain faction of the democrats. Funny we don’t hear much about it but when the tea party was first around damn they were torn up and targeted by the IRS etc. now we have a group of people holding office that call certain parts of our law enforcement bodies evil. I’m not big on law enforcement I think they have too much power and don’t always use it properly but I wouldn’t call ICE workers Nazis and want them abolished. Anyway things are what they are, I get annoyed with Trump sometimes but the squad and the radical arm of the Dems seriously scare me. They want to do some frightening shit. I’ll take bad words and stupid tweets over that anyday. Talk about divisive

How was Carter divisive?


The IRS scandal came to a pathetic, whimpering conclusion earlier this month. For half a decade the scandal had kept delinquent members of Congress occupied and served up reliable programming to Fox News and other conservative media. But when Internal Revenue Service Commissioner John Koskinen walked out of his office on Nov. 9, of his own volition, on schedule, his fine reputation intact, the whole greasy production quietly expired.

Shortly before Koskinen left office, the Treasury Department Inspector General for Tax Administration released the (presumably) final report on the scandal. Like a previous Inspector General report, it tried to soothe Republican feelings – the IRS really, really should’ve handled things differently -- while utterly refuting Republican charges about what had transpired.
The story told by Republicans is so well known that it substitutes for fact. In the first years of the Obama administration, Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations rose up to defy the government. When the groups sought IRS approval for their designations as “social welfare” organizations under the tax code, the IRS targeted them with burdensome queries, harassing the groups while slow-walking reviews of their applications. In this telling, it was a political vendetta – carried out against conservatives by a government agency that many anti-government, anti-tax conservatives especially despised.
Republicans claimed the IRS served as an attack dog for the Obama White House. But inquiries by the House Ways and Means Committee, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, the Senate Finance Committee, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and the Justice Department all failed to produce evidence of political interference.
Perhaps it was because the premise of the scandal -- that Obama’s political team would want to destroy local Tea Party groups -- was absurd. For Democrats, local Tea Party groups were a political Giving Tree, bearing glorious, loopy fruit such as Christine O’Donnell and Todd Akin, Tea Party candidates who managed to lose crucial Senate campaigns that a competent Republican – perhaps any competent Republican -- would’ve won.
What’s more, none of the groups actually needed IRS approval to operate. “These organizations didn’t have to wait for the IRS to tell them anything to go into business,” Koskinen said in a telephone interview last week.
Yet the IRS clearly applied extra scrutiny to groups that it thought might be engaged in too much politics to warrant the preferential tax designation. One way IRS personnel did that was to look for key words, such as “Tea Party.” Other words that triggered IRS scrutiny included: “Occupy,” “green energy,” “medical marijuana” and “progressive.”
Contrary to the Republican story, the IRS never targeted conservatives. The IRS targeted politics, which was pretty much what it was supposed to do.



The scandal wasn’t just a production to keep fringe Republicans busy and far removed from serious business. It was part of a propaganda campaign with institutional GOP support all the way up to the speaker of the House.
An October story in Politico quoted retired House Speaker John Boehner in a fit of candor. Freed from his party obligations, Boehner was unsparing in his denunciations of two of the IRS scandal’s biggest promoters – House Freedom Caucus leader Jim Jordan of Ohio and former Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah.
As head of the House oversight committee, Chaffetz had tirelessly flogged the IRS scandal. Boehner called him a “total phony.” Boehner described Jordan in more incendiary terms, calling the champion of government shutdowns, budget showboating and governing chaos a “legislative terrorist.”
Both men earned their labels. Yet the gutter tactics that brought each to prominence were championed by Boehner himself. He invested Chaffetz and California Representative Darrell Issa with vast investigative powers, and then indulged the falsehoods and character assassination in which they trafficked. He mounted a Benghazi extravaganza that had more theatrical lives than "Cats."



https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...candal-at-last

[Kirkland Laing]

Quick question, will trump be re-elected?

I'm not too up on American politics, I saw he was acquitted and I know he has lovers and haters and doesn't seem to have any inbetweeners, what are the odds?

The acquittal was a foregone conclusion from the outset as the votes for removal were obviously not there. Closest thing was having maybe about half dozen Republicans coming out calling his conduct regarding the call in question either shameful, wrong, problematic, not good and not perfect. Basic lip service and a finger wagging with only 1 Republican voting for his removal. Personally I find critical thinking and standing on convictions against the masses to be admirable and speaks to a mans character. I think had an actual Republican alternative found backing and all primaries allowing actual competition within the party an Independent voter swing would have been big along with others wanting off the Trump train. As an Independent I certainly would have looked at a Republican before a few of the current Dems save maybe for Buttigieg. I'll eat dirt and drive a nail through my toe before voting for a Sanders. I think Bidens time is ticking within the Dem voters base and he'll call it a day shortly. Trump certainly has the momentum at present and has managed to reach an all time approval rating of 49% of voters. But Trump gonna Trump and any falter in the strong economy which is the literal spine of his reelection his base may be chipped away at as it's certainly not massively expanding. Time will tell but I guarantee this will be the ugliest election year in our history.

What's good about Boot Edge Edge?

[El Kabong]

Mueller has evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the DNC system was hacked by the Russians. They have it down to the individual Russians who did the whole thing. The evidence showing they did it was all checked by a team of specialised national security/intel lawyers at the DOJ and they then issued the indictments. Everybody responsible for the hacking has been charged and they're all Russian intel guys.

Mueller has diddly poo and we know that because President Trump is still President Trump. The story is "Donald Trump asked Russia to help with information on/from Hillary and the Democrats" and why do we know that's a bunch of bullshit? Well the 33,000 emails HRC deleted/used bleach bit on are still missing and if Russia had been listening and/or in cahoots with Trump or WikiLeaks then THOSE emails would have shown up at some point. Secondly there's good old Vault 7 from the CIA which got leaked out and showed that indeed a hacking could take place (or faked) and made to seem as though a foreign actor had done the dirty deed. What could set the record straight on that? The servers themselves or Julian Assange.

Romney got mocked for the binders full of women thing because it was eminently mockable. It became a meme because it's a bizarre turn of phrase and fed into the whole animatronic corporate droid personality that Romney has. But here he did something noble. He actually put his oath to defend the Constitution above his Senate career unlike the rest of the GOP. It's quite possible for even complete scumbags, which Romney is not, to do something good at some point in their lives and there's no contradiction or incongruity in pointing out when somebody does something good.

It was mocked because the corporate newsmedia has a double standard for politicians. They only care for THEIR candidate and it is a disservice to our political system. Your praise for Romney rings hollow.

[TitoFan]

Well tits this quite differs from your first post on the subject. If you are calling Trump the most divisive president are you leaving aside the war presidents?

War presidents? Because half the nation doesn't want war and the other does? Well.... that's kind of unavoidable, isn't it.

We're not talking about differences in basic philosophies here. Even Presidents who have chosen to go to war have tried to unite the nation behind them.

We're talking about a POTUS who can barely hide his glee when people are going at each others' throats. The worse the carnage, the happier he is.

Historically I don’t think he is the most divisive president. Shit look at Carter and he didn’t use any bad words. I see all the hate, I think it gets a little overboard. I really don’t see any of his policies or deregulation’s as bad. He says stupid stuff it doesn’t really bother me that much. I do have some serious concerns over a certain faction of the democrats. Funny we don’t hear much about it but when the tea party was first around damn they were torn up and targeted by the IRS etc. now we have a group of people holding office that call certain parts of our law enforcement bodies evil. I’m not big on law enforcement I think they have too much power and don’t always use it properly but I wouldn’t call ICE workers Nazis and want them abolished. Anyway things are what they are, I get annoyed with Trump sometimes but the squad and the radical arm of the Dems seriously scare me. They want to do some frightening shit. I’ll take bad words and stupid tweets over that anyday. Talk about divisive

How was Carter divisive?

Yeah..... I'm kinda waiting to hear the tall story on how Carter was divisive. TBH, I think people just make shit up as they go along. I've never had that talent.

[walrus]

Well tits this quite differs from your first post on the subject. If you are calling Trump the most divisive president are you leaving aside the war presidents?

War presidents? Because half the nation doesn't want war and the other does? Well.... that's kind of unavoidable, isn't it.

We're not talking about differences in basic philosophies here. Even Presidents who have chosen to go to war have tried to unite the nation behind them.

We're talking about a POTUS who can barely hide his glee when people are going at each others' throats. The worse the carnage, the happier he is.

Historically I don’t think he is the most divisive president. Shit look at Carter and he didn’t use any bad words. I see all the hate, I think it gets a little overboard. I really don’t see any of his policies or deregulation’s as bad. He says stupid stuff it doesn’t really bother me that much. I do have some serious concerns over a certain faction of the democrats. Funny we don’t hear much about it but when the tea party was first around damn they were torn up and targeted by the IRS etc. now we have a group of people holding office that call certain parts of our law enforcement bodies evil. I’m not big on law enforcement I think they have too much power and don’t always use it properly but I wouldn’t call ICE workers Nazis and want them abolished. Anyway things are what they are, I get annoyed with Trump sometimes but the squad and the radical arm of the Dems seriously scare me. They want to do some frightening shit. I’ll take bad words and stupid tweets over that anyday. Talk about divisive

How was Carter divisive?

Yeah..... I'm kinda waiting to hear the tall story on how Carter was divisive. TBH, I think people just make shit up as they go along. I've never had that talent.

Ahhhh. You don’t think the nation was divided under carter? It wasn’t his bad words it was a little more than that. How about Nixon or Johnson or Lincoln or are we just talking about presidents who talk gruff and not policies. People were burning Carter effigies in the streets of America. People don’t like 18 percent interest rates and no gas in their car, Carter was very divisive in the country.

[TitoFan]

Well tits this quite differs from your first post on the subject. If you are calling Trump the most divisive president are you leaving aside the war presidents?

War presidents? Because half the nation doesn't want war and the other does? Well.... that's kind of unavoidable, isn't it.

We're not talking about differences in basic philosophies here. Even Presidents who have chosen to go to war have tried to unite the nation behind them.

We're talking about a POTUS who can barely hide his glee when people are going at each others' throats. The worse the carnage, the happier he is.

Historically I don’t think he is the most divisive president. Shit look at Carter and he didn’t use any bad words. I see all the hate, I think it gets a little overboard. I really don’t see any of his policies or deregulation’s as bad. He says stupid stuff it doesn’t really bother me that much. I do have some serious concerns over a certain faction of the democrats. Funny we don’t hear much about it but when the tea party was first around damn they were torn up and targeted by the IRS etc. now we have a group of people holding office that call certain parts of our law enforcement bodies evil. I’m not big on law enforcement I think they have too much power and don’t always use it properly but I wouldn’t call ICE workers Nazis and want them abolished. Anyway things are what they are, I get annoyed with Trump sometimes but the squad and the radical arm of the Dems seriously scare me. They want to do some frightening shit. I’ll take bad words and stupid tweets over that anyday. Talk about divisive

How was Carter divisive?

Yeah..... I'm kinda waiting to hear the tall story on how Carter was divisive. TBH, I think people just make shit up as they go along. I've never had that talent.

Ahhhh. You don’t think the nation was divided under carter? It wasn’t his bad words it was a little more than that. How about Nixon or Johnson or Lincoln or are we just talking about presidents who talk gruff and not policies. People were burning Carter effigies in the streets of America. People don’t like 18 percent interest rates and no gas in their car, Carter was very divisive in the country.

Let's just go all out and call EVERY President in history divisive then, since roughly half of the country voted for the other guy. Isn't this just a wee bit disingenuous?

You, like every other Trump fan, don't just want to win the game....... you want to score all the baskets. Well it doesn't work that way, walrus. Trump's shit DOES stink, contrary to popular opinion.

You and I both know exactly what I'm talking about here. Carter.... Nixon..... Johnson.... Lincoln..... go down the list alphabetically or chronologically if you like.

If you SERIOUSLY want to argue that Trump isn't a divisive President (BY CHOICE AND DESIGN)...... then this argument is over before it even begun.

That's why guys like you cannot be taken seriously. In your rush to defend Trumpy from one and all critics........ you defend the indefensible.

In truth....... Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE U.S. BY AN EXPONENTIAL MARGIN. It's not even close.



All those you mention..... they were "divisive" according to you, because not everybody agreed with what they did nor did they agree with their policies.

But NONE of those guys went out of their way to divide the country with the vindictiveness of Donald Trump.

After the impeachment proceedings, instead of taking the high road and offer to unite and fix the nation........ Trump is out for blood........ and TRUMPETS it to everyone who will listen.

A message of hate, revenge and payback.



But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid.