Originally Posted by
Beanz
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Originally Posted by
Beanz
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
You are all over the shop. You openly castigated the rest of the world because you assumed they were not wearing masks like you and those in your country.
You are and always have been about removing people's freedom and rights.
Interesting take on things, but no, actually I was supporting Sweden's policies early on and was called out on it. I have seen how pubs are now refusing to accept cash in the UK, how people are being denied bank accounts for opinions, and all the while freedoms are being lost. I do not endorse the removal of people's freedoms or rights.
People have the right to wear or not wear a mask. It is a personal choice.
Hang on. I smell bullshit.
YOU specifically castigated myself and others because you ASSUMED I and others were not wearing a mask or socially distancing when carrying on working and going on with our lives while you were hiding away at home.
You never claimed it was a personal choice. You backed super spreaders like Wally giving it to all and sundry after getting sick but then claiming his doctor 'lost' his test, but couldn't wait to insist that all the Brit posters were being irresponsible and would not be wearing masks. You even suggested we make them out of tshirts or underwear.
Nothing about choice, you called people selfish irresponsible bastards if they did not wear a mask.
Nuts.
And yes you are 100% behind the destruction of the UK, the rights of its citizens and the removal of human rights and freedoms from people across the globe. It is something you are inexplicably proud of.
You were the one claiming to have Covid-19 and if you had it, then the sensible thing to do would to stay at home and heal. When people are sick they need to stay at home and recover. Why does a healthy person need to wear a mask? I don't understand. Now if you had a virus that made you sicker than ever before, as you claimed, what on earth were you doing traipsing around the streets? I don't really understand, but that is your concern. You claimed it was the pharmacy and a little jog around the shops. I don't see many on that Swedish train looking in such a state. Do you? Did the masks stop them having the alleged problems you have there?
We did stay at home. For 3 weeks. That is what responsible people do. Then back to doing the essentials. Going to pick up medication ordered online is pretty essential when not taking that medication could result in death. But no you have to make stuff up in order to undermine my argument for balance and rationality by nutpicking. You use extreme examples all the time of people who act foolishly, to pretend that they are representative of my beliefs and behaviour. 'Looking in such a state' ? What are you talking about there?
And Sweden just reveals how gullible you have always been. Cherry picking a country that has had an enormous amount of Covid deaths per head of population and been ineffective in handling that , when usually you would be calling it a socialist hell hole like your new drooling alt right teenage friends in America have taught you. Twice in the past few months Sweden had the highest death rate form Corona virus in the world ffs
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3765
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-b601133.html
https://www.ft.com/content/7acfc5b8-d96f-455b-9f36-b70dc850428f
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-lockdown-sweden-death-rate-worst-country-covid-19-a9539206.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...te-per-capita/
Sure, suggesting that a sick man stay home for a bit and to not infect people is restricting his freedom, and sure, I have suggested mask wearing is sensible, but that was before seeing just how well Sweden has done. Yet none of that correlates with my observation about cashless societies, restricting bank accounts or any of that. Would I ever suggest you not be paid in cash? Or would I shut down your bank because you support terrorist groups like antifa? Of course not. I just suggest a sick bloke should take a rest. We know know a lot more and we know it has very little chance of killing either of us.
So we have established that Sweden has not done well at all. Yet now you are pretending that a country you brought up has nothing to do with your own argument? Are you now telling me that socialist Sweden is anti-freedom? Make your mind up. The world has been moving away from using cash for years. I have not heard one instance of pubs refusing cash in the UK but of course you are the expert all the way over in South Korea. So you can be flippant but actually there are a couple of people very close to me who it could kill very easily. My mother in law who after Non-Hodkin lymphona had her spleen removed and has not been able to see her grandchildren or great grandchildren for nearly six months now, and her son, my future brother-in-law, who i have been taking to hospital for chemotherapy after having part of his bowel removed because of cancer. So simply because you are alright Jack you think it is all a big joke.
I think people who are vulnerable need to be careful and I think people who are worried about their health should be very careful too, but who am I to say that you MUST wear a mask at this stage? It is a virus that does not kill many people under 50. It is not the black death of 1348-1350. I think Sweden has pretty much proven this at this stage and there is the UK basically shutting down again at what cost to the economy and thus more lives?
Again more bullshit. Sweden proves the opposite to what you are claiming. And what would you know about the UK economy? That effects us all here, not you. I like many others have been hit hard but the UK is not shutting down. Hospitality, The Arts, Culture they have been badly hit but we are still managing to keep going. I went and talked to Sir Antony Gormley a week or two ago, and wearing a mask did not stop that interview happening, Museums have opened, Art is happening, people are working despite the bastards you backed trying to choke them slowly to death.
There are two models there and the Swedes are mask free at this stage because they made good decisions early.
Again not really. Get off your sofa and out of your bubble.
Your final paragraph is insane and I have no way to engage with such ridiculous nonsense.
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