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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    so is the problem slavery or that jefferson was white?
    Nobody has an issue with warlord, slave owning prophets, so it looks like a very focused and particular assault specific figures largely based on a racial basis. There is a lot of slavery today and it is mostly in the non white world in the here and now, but mostly silence on that. Let's go after the dead who cannot speak for themselves and ignore those that actually can.

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    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.

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    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.
    It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.
    It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.
    Not sure what you are specifically referring to, Im talking about plenty of people justifiably do not want to walk past a statue of a racist scumbag everyday twice a day on their way to work and back or out shopping with their families. Tear the scumbag down. How would a Jew like to walk past a Hitler statue twice a day?
    How would an Armenian like to walk past a Talat Pasha statue with his family twice a day? Show some empathy man. This is easy to understand. Tear the cunt down, I say! Its an insulting eye sore. Common sense, you dont put statues of rapists and racists up in peoples' faces. We're talking statues here, not wiping people out of history books which, by the way, still are white-centric pro-colonialist rags.

    Tear the fucker down. I support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.
    It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.
    Not sure what you are specifically referring to, Im talking about plenty of people justifiably do not want to walk past a statue of a racist scumbag everyday twice a day on their way to work and back or out shopping with their families. Tear the scumbag down. How would a Jew like to walk past a Hitler statue twice a day?
    How would an Armenian like to walk past a Talat Pasha statue with his family twice a day? Show some empathy man. This is easy to understand. Tear the cunt down, I say! Its an insulting eye sore. Common sense, you dont put statues of rapists and racists up in peoples' faces. We're talking statues here, not wiping people out of history books which, by the way, still are white-centric pro-colonialist rags.

    Tear the fucker down. I support it.
    I don't give a fuck what anyone 'feels' about a statue. You accept history for what it is with its good and bad and if you don't like then there is due process. The mob does not run the show. I consider Mandela a terrorist, but he is up there in London. We accept the good and bad and if you want it taken down then petition it. I do not have the right to tear it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.
    It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.
    Not sure what you are specifically referring to, Im talking about plenty of people justifiably do not want to walk past a statue of a racist scumbag everyday twice a day on their way to work and back or out shopping with their families. Tear the scumbag down. How would a Jew like to walk past a Hitler statue twice a day?
    How would an Armenian like to walk past a Talat Pasha statue with his family twice a day? Show some empathy man. This is easy to understand. Tear the cunt down, I say! Its an insulting eye sore. Common sense, you dont put statues of rapists and racists up in peoples' faces. We're talking statues here, not wiping people out of history books which, by the way, still are white-centric pro-colonialist rags.

    Tear the fucker down. I support it.
    I don't give a fuck what anyone 'feels' about a statue. You accept history for what it is with its good and bad and if you don't like then there is due process. The mob does not run the show. I consider Mandela a terrorist, but he is up there in London. We accept the good and bad and if you want it taken down then petition it. I do not have the right to tear it down.
    YOu dont give a fuck until it happens to YOU. Then you will give a fuck. Imagine how you would be incensed and outraged and how you would wildly and viciously tear down a statue of a person who hurt one of your loved ones. YOu certainly WOULD do it too. Don't kid yourself. Until it happens to YOU, you will not understand it.
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    Oh, and I forgot, the "mob" will be prosecuted by the law. So whats the problem? If its a crime, then they will pay. Solved. So?

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    Peeps wanna tear down a scumbag, get arrested, get charged and pay whatever price there is stipulated by the law, thats the process. If someone wants to commit a crime, you cant stop them, you can only prosecute. Easy to understand really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Oh, and I forgot, the "mob" will be prosecuted by the law. So whats the problem? If its a crime, then they will pay. Solved. So?
    You are the one wanting statues to be torn down. You are part of the problem. You are encouraging crime over debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.
    .
    Not sure what you are specifically referring to, Im talking about plenty of people justifiably do not want to walk past a statue of a racist scumbag everyday twice a day on their way to work and back or out shopping with their families. Tear the scumbag down. How would a Jew like to walk past a Hitler statue twice a day?
    How would an Armenian like to walk past a Talat Pasha statue with his family twice a day? Show some empathy man. This is easy to understand. Tear the cunt down, I say! Its an insulting eye sore. Common sense, you dont put statues of rapists and racists up in peoples' faces. We're talking statues here, not wiping people out of history books which, by the way, still are white-centric pro-colonialist rags.

    Tear the fucker down. I support it.
    .
    YOu dont give a fuck until it happens to YOU. Then you will give a fuck. Imagine how you would be incensed and outraged and how you would wildly and viciously tear down a statue of a person who hurt one of your loved ones. YOu certainly WOULD do it too. Don't kid yourself. Until it happens to YOU, you will not understand it.
    Rarely do people find certain problems worth addressing...until it hits their doorstep. Then it is a problem, well said. You reminded me of how the beginning of the housing crisis-well those blacks shouldn't have bought what they cant afford. Then it hit the Hispanics, same thing. Then when Florida's elders got jobbed...well now it's time to help. Oh, lock up those black people because drugs is their culture...what? Our people are addicted? Opioids? Time to get some money to get them off their uh...substance abuse. And all will pay for it with taxes.

    I don't agree with taking anything down like statues. Good initiative, poor judgement. But then again, politicians are so weak to help- so they did what they felt.
    Did you ever hear about a Tea Party group that sent memos to break windows, cut gas line of a Minnesota senator because of his voting?
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/vir..._severing.html
    An activist angry over Perriello's vote Sunday published what he thought was the congressman's home address on a blog if any readers wanted to "drop by" and provide a "personal touch" to their views. But the address was his brother's home, where four children under the age of 8 live.

    I got about 20 30 instances of those I could post- they felt like they were being wronged by Obama, so let us cut their gas lines, shoot them like Gabrielle Gifford...amazing what people will do- when it impacts them.
    Hey man...If you were in sync here...You'd be called The Board's Trump aka shaking up things...But you are not in the majority so you must be an agitator, my my.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Red Herring.

    We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

    I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.
    It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.
    Not sure what you are specifically referring to, Im talking about plenty of people justifiably do not want to walk past a statue of a racist scumbag everyday twice a day on their way to work and back or out shopping with their families. Tear the scumbag down. How would a Jew like to walk past a Hitler statue twice a day?
    How would an Armenian like to walk past a Talat Pasha statue with his family twice a day? Show some empathy man. This is easy to understand. Tear the cunt down, I say! Its an insulting eye sore. Common sense, you dont put statues of rapists and racists up in peoples' faces. We're talking statues here, not wiping people out of history books which, by the way, still are white-centric pro-colonialist rags.

    Tear the fucker down. I support it.
    I don't give a fuck what anyone 'feels' about a statue. You accept history for what it is with its good and bad and if you don't like then there is due process. The mob does not run the show. I consider Mandela a terrorist, but he is up there in London. We accept the good and bad and if you want it taken down then petition it. I do not have the right to tear it down.
    YOu dont give a fuck until it happens to YOU. Then you will give a fuck. Imagine how you would be incensed and outraged and how you would wildly and viciously tear down a statue of a person who hurt one of your loved ones. YOu certainly WOULD do it too. Don't kid yourself. Until it happens to YOU, you will not understand it.
    LMAO so who does that leave?

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    It leaves you. No sarcasm here. But who could you say was your MASS-SCALE, SYSTEMATIC, ORCHESTRATED oppressor or rapist or enslaver? I dont think you had any. American Indians? HELL YEAH THEY CAN SAY IT. Blacks? HELL YEAH, THEY TOO CAN SAY IT. Whites in America?....... ever been a victim of MASS-SCALE, SYSTEMATIC, ORCHESTRATED oppressors or rapists or enslavers?? Honestly I dont think so, but if they WERE, it was by OTHER whites, like Gandalf has pointed out in 18th century England for example.

    NAME A TIME IN HISTORY WHEN BLACKS/ARMENIANS/AMERICAN INDIANS/BANGLADESHIS ON A MASS OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL SCALE ENSLAVED, RAPED, BEAT, BROKE WHITES FOR 400 YEARS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    It leaves you. No sarcasm here. But who could you say was your MASS-SCALE, SYSTEMATIC, ORCHESTRATED oppressor or rapist or enslaver? I dont think you had any. American Indians? HELL YEAH THEY CAN SAY IT. Blacks? HELL YEAH, THEY TOO CAN SAY IT. Whites in America?....... ever been a victim of MASS-SCALE, SYSTEMATIC, ORCHESTRATED oppressors or rapists or enslavers?? Honestly I dont think so, but if they WERE, it was by OTHER whites, like Gandalf has pointed out in 18th century England for example.

    NAME A TIME IN HISTORY WHEN BLACKS/ARMENIANS/AMERICAN INDIANS/BANGLADESHIS ON A MASS OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL SCALE ENSLAVED, RAPED, BEAT, BROKE WHITES FOR 400 YEARS?
    Bruh.... https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/a...tier-1-country

    It takes WORK to be as dumb as you

    Africa still has slavery you fat toad as does most of the Middle East and China.

    Bangladesh? https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2018...sh-study-finds

    400 years? Bitch the nations you mentioned NEVER STOPPED slavery.

    American Indians had slaves too you dope.


    But you're not interested in how things are or were you just want to stir the turd.... You're like a bored monkey

    I'm sorry if any monkeys are offended at the comparison

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    You are an idiot Lyle plain and simple. You avoid the question of "when did your people become enslaved by bangladeshis or blacks or American Indians?"... you avoided that question because you know you were completely schooled by me and you then want to move the goalposts and say that Bangladeshis and American Indians had slaves. I answered you and I put you back in your dunce corner and then you shifted the goalposts. It's what you do.

    your memory is short for somebody who is in their 30s. You originally asked WHO DOES THAT LEAVE OUT? so I told you that you could not be considered one because your people white people have never been enslaved by bangladeshis or American Indians or blacks for example.

    finally you have shown your sophomoric qualities by resorting to name-calling so I hear have returned the favor. But once again your juvenile personality comes out with your name calling.

    You too are truly a piece of shit.

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    Now back to the topic.

    Yyyyyyyeah, sooooooo.....this thread is about Thomas Jefferson and the United States of America just for a refresher course for those who have comprehension problems; this is not a thread about slavery in other parts of the world, as if that somehow affects the conversation here about black slave owning and racist Thomas Jefferson and slavery in the United States of America.

    Good God it's tough when dealing with mentally challenged students.....

    So Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning hypocrite and his statue therefore very deeply offends many black Americans. I support the removal of his statue. In the same way that Jews would not want to walk by a statue of Adolf Hitler.

    Easy to understand for those who have been victims OF OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMIC RACISM FOR 400 YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY.

    And once again for those remedial cases out there it must be very difficult to understand this since they have never been a victim of systematic governmental orchestrated racism.

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