Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
Going by emotions, I pick Pac. But if I go by what was proven- How I think fans 50 years or more would judge- I think basic mathematics. What did they accomplish.
RJJ turned pro in 1989
Won IBF middleweight title in 1993, 4 years after turning pro.
Won IBF super middleweight title in 1994 over Boxing's then ranked #1 P4P fighter James Toney.
Lost WBC light heavyweight title shot, then won it in 1997.
1998 he became the WBC & WBA light heavyweight champ.
1999 he became the WBC, WBA & IBF light heavyweight champ.
2000 he became the WBC ,WBA, IBF & IBO light heavyweight champ.
After such a house cleaning in the LHW division he decided to even grab all major & minor belts in 2002 when he retained/gained WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO, WBF & IBA light heavyweight titles.
In 2003 he wins the pinnacle of Boxing's titles: Heavyweight champ.
It would take 14 years before he lost his 2nd fight.
Feel free to place Pac's record as a champ and or accomplishments. It doesn't compare.
In Pac's prime he was tested against JMM to a draw (I had him winning), got out-boxed by Morales in their 1st fight & busted/bloodied up to boot. Had been stopped twice before he hit age 30. 2 draws before age 30. ( I think they were unfair draws, but also think RJJ DQ was unfair) My resolve is shit happens.
Whereas Roy had no competitors in his youth, and he took on the #1 P4P fighter to win the SMW (albeit Toney fucked up by binge eating in between fights)
Neither ranks in my top 10.
RJJ ranks in my Top 20, Pac does not, but I don't see it as a bad thing for those who do put Pac in their top 20. Top 10, hell naw, I got a problem with that.
No disrespect but don't you think you looked at this with some serious bias? Now your opinion is your opinion, cool, I have no problem with Roy beating Pac in a P4P fantasy scenario, but when it comes to resume/accomplishments? No way.
Pac losing wars with first ballot HOF-er's and P4P-ers - Morales and Marquez - is more impressive than 90% of the fighters Roy even faced. The very fact he ran it back to avenge losses/draws is even more of a fillip.
If you're going to knock Pac for suffering an early defeat then what makes Roy's arguably 2nd or 3rd best ever win against Hopkins impressive? Hopkins had already lost too. And it was a decade later, after Hopkins beat Tito and Oscar, before Roy even got kudos for Hopkins.
All Roy's silverware means nothing without context, you can equally do that with Pac, eight division champion and whatnot. The real factor is who they beat? After 25 years Pac is still pulling off upsets against the best fighters in his division, Roy was getting knocked unconscious by men who couldn't touch him in his pomp.
And Roy never cleaned out 175, he needed to beat Michalczewski for that, the guy who was written out of history by American publications/TV networks.
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