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    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TonnnnUK View Post
    So do we think this has been damaging to the sport? Not sure it really makes much difference.
    While he continues to evade any kind of capture or convictions for gang related crimes, he will continue in his role as "advisor" to the boxers who seem to worship him.
    Things will just continue as they have done for the last several years.

    He's had involvement for years now and has probably helped (in some way) to give us some big fights that we maybe wouldn't have seen.
    All he's doing is simply rinsing his dirty Money from his billions of drug money through the sport of boxing.
    It's genius really 😉
    It's been known he's been around the sport by us sorts of fans who delve deeper into the sport than just the general sports fans. But this was a prime time, widely watched documentary on the BBC "exposing" his involvement in the sport and his close proximity to major boxers, key players and big fight events.

    It might prompt authorities within the UK, Ireland and US to kick into action possibly? The exposure could be something of an embarrassment maybe? The Irish authorities have essentially said they know he is in charge of a huge drug cartel in Europe but have no means to prosecute him for any crimes.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TonnnnUK View Post
    So do we think this has been damaging to the sport? Not sure it really makes much difference.
    While he continues to evade any kind of capture or convictions for gang related crimes, he will continue in his role as "advisor" to the boxers who seem to worship him.
    Things will just continue as they have done for the last several years.

    He's had involvement for years now and has probably helped (in some way) to give us some big fights that we maybe wouldn't have seen.
    All he's doing is simply rinsing his dirty Money from his billions of drug money through the sport of boxing.
    It's genius really ������
    That's not how money laundering works. You don't launder money in a massively public business where the sales numbers are easily checkable by the authorities and every last penny is accounted for by multiple lawyers and so on. Boxing brings in pennies compared to the drug business. How are you going to launder hundreds of millions of dollars a year? Claim Wembley has a million seats? Sky are not going to have any part in anything crooked with PPV buys nor would it be possible with the layers of accountants and the transparency of their subscription system, same with Ticketmaster. This bloke is doing this because it's a hobby and he thinks he's invincible as far as legal consequences are concerned. And he's probably right. If he stays in Dubai he'll probably avoid the inevitable outcome for guys like this which is being knocked off by some rival, he seems to be aware of exactly how he is vincible.

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    Have you actually watched the doc?
    It clearly states he uses/did use Boxing to launder his Money.
    If you think that Sky and a company like Ticketmaster (think StubHub) aren't dodgy, think again.
    I'm fully aware of how to launder money and make it disappeare 😉
    Don't be so naive

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    Just because a man does good, that doesn't mean he is good.

    So Daniel K and MTK have been good for boxing. Many fighters have got opportunities that never would have got without MTK’s involvement. These guys are earning treble what they’d earn on small hall shows. They manage their fighters very well.

    But just because a man does good, that doesn't mean he is good.

    One of the most telling things I find is the way past and present Irish fighters and sports people are not really speaking up for DK. Whether it's Conor McGregor, Katie Taylor, Carl Frampton, Mick Conlan, Steve Collins or Golfer Rory Mcilroy the fact is their silence is deafening.

    I get the feeling a lot people are scared of Kinahaan and MTK

    They scared of what they're capable of.

    DK and his gang wiped out a family in Dublin called the “Hutches.” Many ppl in Ireland can’t begin to tell you how bad they are. He is responsible for the murder of many innocent people and has poisioned the streets with heroin for a long time. Daniels father Christy kinahan has done time for heroin trafficking.

    DK can claim all he wants that they have nothing on him, but they had nothing on Al Capone until some dodgy tax evasion thing. So that means nothing. DK has fall guys taking the wrap for everything. He's even lost a lot of support from his people who are now imprisoned.

    If he comes to Dublin, he’ll could be murdered. If he goes to UK, he’ll could be murdered, if he goes to Spain, he’ll could be murdered.

    If he goes to the US then the DEA will get him.

    The Irish and British government are putting big pressure on the UAE to extract him.

    But that's how it is in the drug world. He's in Dubai right now living large. The distributors always live in communities divorced from the street level dealers. They're almost never caught.

    The street level dealers are nothing but bullet fodder and a source of income for those who gain jobs in the prisons. If one dealer, goes down, there is always another to take their place.

    Organised crime has run this sport for a long long time so we don't need to pretend it's run by angels which is looking to expel a bad apple. The BBC must have some reason to be going after this guy since they had no problem with kiddy fiddlers running a ring out of their organisation.

    If they want to resolve it they need to legislate boxing properly via an independent body and get rid of the multitude of governing bodies in the process. Unless they do that nothing will ever change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denilson3.0 View Post
    Just because a man does good, that doesn't mean he is good.

    So Daniel K and MTK have been good for boxing. Many fighters have got opportunities that never would have got without MTK’s involvement. These guys are earning treble what they’d earn on small hall shows. They manage their fighters very well.

    But just because a man does good, that doesn't mean he is good.

    One of the most telling things I find is the way past and present Irish fighters and sports people are not really speaking up for DK. Whether it's Conor McGregor, Katie Taylor, Carl Frampton, Mick Conlan, Steve Collins or Golfer Rory Mcilroy the fact is their silence is deafening.

    I get the feeling a lot people are scared of Kinahaan and MTK

    They scared of what they're capable of.

    DK and his gang wiped out a family in Dublin called the “Hutches.” Many ppl in Ireland can’t begin to tell you how bad they are. He is responsible for the murder of many innocent people and has poisioned the streets with heroin for a long time. Daniels father Christy kinahan has done time for heroin trafficking.

    DK can claim all he wants that they have nothing on him, but they had nothing on Al Capone until some dodgy tax evasion thing. So that means nothing. DK has fall guys taking the wrap for everything. He's even lost a lot of support from his people who are now imprisoned.

    If he comes to Dublin, he’ll could be murdered. If he goes to UK, he’ll could be murdered, if he goes to Spain, he’ll could be murdered.

    If he goes to the US then the DEA will get him.

    The Irish and British government are putting big pressure on the UAE to extract him.

    But that's how it is in the drug world. He's in Dubai right now living large. The distributors always live in communities divorced from the street level dealers. They're almost never caught.

    The street level dealers are nothing but bullet fodder and a source of income for those who gain jobs in the prisons. If one dealer, goes down, there is always another to take their place.

    Organised crime has run this sport for a long long time so we don't need to pretend it's run by angels which is looking to expel a bad apple. The BBC must have some reason to be going after this guy since they had no problem with kiddy fiddlers running a ring out of their organisation.

    If they want to resolve it they need to legislate boxing properly via an independent body and get rid of the multitude of governing bodies in the process. Unless they do that nothing will ever change.
    Exactly that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Denilson3.0 View Post
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    If they want to resolve it they need to legislate boxing properly via an independent body and get rid of the multitude of governing bodies in the process. Unless they do that nothing will ever change.
    Exactly that!
    Can anybody EVER see this actually happening though? It's probably what is needed for the sport, but there's too many fingers in too many pies for it to ever to to a stage where there is one centralised governing entity for the sport.

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    Why be surprised there are many undesirable people in boxing the fighters managers promotors etc lol.
    Guys it is what it is ! remember boxing is not a game you don't play boxing theses guys put there life on the line.
    There is no fair play I've meet a good few involved in Boxing some nice others not so nice boxing is brutal I am afraid with large sums of money involved yes gangsters.
    Most of the promotors are sharks but I still love boxing do I really care no.🙂

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Have you actually watched the doc?
    It clearly states he uses/did use Boxing to launder his Money.
    If you think that Sky and a company like Ticketmaster (think StubHub) aren't dodgy, think again.
    I'm fully aware of how to launder money and make it disappeare 😉
    Don't be so naive
    It does not state that he used boxing to launder money. The only person making that allegation is some fifth rate boxing manager in America looking to try and get a shut up and go away payment out of the boxing management firm that stole one of the fighters this guy used to manage. Think about it. It's unlikely that this fucker has the kind of investigatory and subpoena powers that a law enforcement agency like the FBI or Interpol have, right? And yet no law enforcement agency anywhere in the world has any evidence at all on this guy for money laundering or anything else.

    Sky and Ticketmaster are not dodgy companies. They're publicly traded blue chip companies that have layers of legal compliance that mean nobody criminal could get anywhere near any of their operation. Every penny these firms take in is via electronic payment, there is no way to launder cash through these businesses. To do so you'd have to have the active participation of hundreds of professional people who would all have to remain complicit. It's just laughable to even contemplate it.

    Laundering money does not make it disappear. The entire point of laundering money is to make the money appear as profits in a business owned by the money launderer.

    Consider successful drug dealers. They have a huge pile of illicit cash and need to turn it into licit cash so they can spend it on goodies like women and houses and cars and not go to jail. The traditional methods of doing this involve buying a laser tag business or a car wash, something that won't attract attention that say a heavyweight world title fight might.



    These businesses need to be able to take cash payments so the money can be washed through the business, show up as legal profits, have taxes paid on it and then be used to buy goodies.

    The boxing industry fails on all these scores. It attracts massive publicity, no payments are in cash, all of the money is instantly traceable down to the last press of a red button, down to the last twenty quid, and the really crucial bit -- the businesses that make the profits aren't owned by the criminals. Even if it was possible to launder money via this kind of massively public extremely transparent electronic payment business the profits wouldn't accrue to the criminals.

    Maybe you could try laundering a few quid through small hall promotions but the net result is you're going to be left with a significant quantity of cash that you can't launder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Have you actually watched the doc?
    It clearly states he uses/did use Boxing to launder his Money.
    If you think that Sky and a company like Ticketmaster (think StubHub) aren't dodgy, think again.
    I'm fully aware of how to launder money and make it disappeare 😉
    Don't be so naive
    It does not state that he used boxing to launder money. The only person making that allegation is some fifth rate boxing manager in America looking to try and get a shut up and go away payment out of the boxing management firm that stole one of the fighters this guy used to manage. Think about it. It's unlikely that this fucker has the kind of investigatory and subpoena powers that a law enforcement agency like the FBI or Interpol have, right? And yet no law enforcement agency anywhere in the world has any evidence at all on this guy for money laundering or anything else.

    Sky and Ticketmaster are not dodgy companies. They're publicly traded blue chip companies that have layers of legal compliance that mean nobody criminal could get anywhere near any of their operation. Every penny these firms take in is via electronic payment, there is no way to launder cash through these businesses. To do so you'd have to have the active participation of hundreds of professional people who would all have to remain complicit. It's just laughable to even contemplate it.

    Laundering money does not make it disappear. The entire point of laundering money is to make the money appear as profits in a business owned by the money launderer.

    Consider successful drug dealers. They have a huge pile of illicit cash and need to turn it into licit cash so they can spend it on goodies like women and houses and cars and not go to jail. The traditional methods of doing this involve buying a laser tag business or a car wash, something that won't attract attention that say a heavyweight world title fight might.



    These businesses need to be able to take cash payments so the money can be washed through the business, show up as legal profits, have taxes paid on it and then be used to buy goodies.

    The boxing industry fails on all these scores. It attracts massive publicity, no payments are in cash, all of the money is instantly traceable down to the last press of a red button, down to the last twenty quid, and the really crucial bit -- the businesses that make the profits aren't owned by the criminals. Even if it was possible to launder money via this kind of massively public extremely transparent electronic payment business the profits wouldn't accrue to the criminals.

    Maybe you could try laundering a few quid through small hall promotions but the net result is you're going to be left with a significant quantity of cash that you can't launder.







    It does which is why I asked if you've actually watched it yet, I've never claimed he laundered money through Sky TV just that they are dodgy like most huge media firms are.

    Kinahan is head of a massive cartel and worth an insane amount of money.
    By what means do you think he can poach all the top fighters he has done and pay them in the process....

    The money he uses comes from somewhere, maybe he's really got a legit day job and was really good at saving it up and ploughs that into boxing 🤔🤣


    Inside dark world of '£1billion drug lord' who helped broker Joshua v Fury fight

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-drug-23505701

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    https://www.montgomeryindependent.co...bb9483b16.html

    Interesting that they're claiming a timely coincidence to Breland (finally) speaking out.


    The sacking of Breland was revealed in October 2020, more than four months ago.

    But the week of MTK Global’s major publicity problems, Breland coincidentally decided to do his first interview

    claimed he never handled Wilder’s water. This was quickly debunked by several people on social media who produced video and photographs of Wilder jumping rope and working the heavy bag. Also, a picture of Breland handling water between rounds



    My take is this: Wilder stands for WILD excuses, then even more WILDER excuses. Done deal I moved on.
    However Breland speaking about him not training (sure looked in shape) then video debunks him, and then another shows him handling water, IMO Breland should've stuck to the script- Just say you and he parted ways. You tried, he wasn't listening.

    But he got specific and those specifics appear to be wrong. Totally. Now he has reopened what should've been a closed case: Wild got whooped because he cant box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonnnnUK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TonnnnUK View Post
    So do we think this has been damaging to the sport? Not sure it really makes much difference.
    While he continues to evade any kind of capture or convictions for gang related crimes, he will continue in his role as "advisor" to the boxers who seem to worship him.
    Things will just continue as they have done for the last several years.

    He's had involvement for years now and has probably helped (in some way) to give us some big fights that we maybe wouldn't have seen.
    All he's doing is simply rinsing his dirty Money from his billions of drug money through the sport of boxing.
    It's genius really 😉
    It's been known he's been around the sport by us sorts of fans who delve deeper into the sport than just the general sports fans. But this was a prime time, widely watched documentary on the BBC "exposing" his involvement in the sport and his close proximity to major boxers, key players and big fight events.

    It might prompt authorities within the UK, Ireland and US to kick into action possibly? The exposure could be something of an embarrassment maybe? The Irish authorities have essentially said they know he is in charge of a huge drug cartel in Europe but have no means to prosecute him for any crimes.....

    The article I linked states this was more of a story there and not in the states. But you broke the story here first!
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    It does which is why I asked if you've actually watched it yet, I've never claimed he laundered money through Sky TV just that they are dodgy like most huge media firms are.

    Kinahan is head of a massive cartel and worth an insane amount of money.
    By what means do you think he can poach all the top fighters he has done and pay them in the process....

    The money he uses comes from somewhere, maybe he's really got a legit day job and was really good at saving it up and ploughs that into boxing 🤔🤣


    Inside dark world of '£1billion drug lord' who helped broker Joshua v Fury fight


    For some reason I can't quote anything. The family has been laundering money for a long time -- the father has served time for doing it -- and they have a bunch of legitimate assets bought with laundered money. The money to set up the boxing management company will have come from legitimate sources of income. There is no evidence that they've laundered any money via the boxing business and no allegation that they have other than some idiot in America who has no proof. Exactly how are Sky and other media companies "dodgy"?

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    Another call from an MP for the government to do more about Kinahan's involvement. Still not sure what they can actually do, beyond criminal investigations which so far haven't let to enough for him to be arrested.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/56092035

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    Finally watched it, interesting to say the least

    quite disappointed that i had been completely oblivious to this, i used to train in Jamie Moore's gym and have had a few convos with him at the time

    wonder what the actual fall out from his shooting was, it was hardly mentioned on sky and when it was completely brushed over
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