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    Default Re: Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

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    Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.
    Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

    You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

    To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

    A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

    Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

    Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

    If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

    Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

    My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

    The weight of public opinion has finally shifted far enough so that an economically significant number of people see these images as racist and would be unlikely to buy any more Seuss books. Kind of like how you don't get circus or fair freak shows anymore.
    Because the freak shows are now free
    And you can read his bullshit here everyday and it’s always 100% right.

    I used the Dr Seuss books as an example. You can bring up music etc. but what we are seeing now, mass bans and shadow bans on social media, the way our media will cover for some attack others, Amazon dropping books, I could go on and on. It’s happening everyday day here. We aren’t putting labels on things we are silencing people. The left is abusing its power. Sure you could say Amazon is a private company they can carry whatever they want but big tech is in direct alliance with the left. There is a new age of censorship amongst us. They can shut down the president if they wanted to (ha ha no they would never do something like that) are we that frightened of different thought? I think Biden should get the same questions from the press Trump did, or maybe question why he isn’t. We are shutting down thought, speech and books from a viewpoint 70 million Americans voted for. We aren’t giving artists a hard time, they are deplatformed if they are conservative. Its happening right in front of our faces, you don’t mind it that’s fine. Bring up Dungeons and dragons and Harry Potter and say “see” wtf dudes we are at next level shit here. The dr Seuss stuff helps keep the racial stuff stirred up.,FYI kids in China read dr Seuss when they are learning English, they never complained about anything in it. They actually asked if I could bring more “with Chinese people in them”. And genocide continues in the Middle East and China, but here we are. Pausing our military and training them on race while China builds up its navy, genetically modifying its soldiers and laughing at us and writhing articles in their government press about how immoral and racist we are. When are we gonna say, our government got something going on with all this labeling of everyone. Is it a distraction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
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    Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.
    Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

    You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

    To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

    A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

    Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

    Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

    If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

    Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

    My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

    The weight of public opinion has finally shifted far enough so that an economically significant number of people see these images as racist and would be unlikely to buy any more Seuss books. Kind of like how you don't get circus or fair freak shows anymore.
    Because the freak shows are now free

    Which freak shows are these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Spicoli, it was a mix of right and left: The committee was founded by four women: Tipper Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore; Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar; and Sally Nevius, wife of former Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius. They were known as the "Washington wives" -- a reference to their husbands' connections with government in the Washington, D.C. area. In August 1985, 19 record companies agreed to put "Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics" labels on albums to warn of explicit lyrical content. Before the labels could be put into place, the Senate agreed to hold a hearing on so-called "porn rock".

    Yeh that was pure classic and the literal definition of speaking truth to power. Leave it to Government to unify artist from East West coasts and all points in between. Dee Snider was a great closer and pretty much left ol Al Gore with his big foot in his own mouth. Hindsight is 20-20 but truth is it's stunning how much society buckled to that era and dictatorial moral authority directly from the Oval office and chambers of Congress. In recent memory this has to be the absolute closest and a direct example of Politicians, the Federal Gov actively working to censor and ban across the board. 4 were married to current lawmakers 3 of whom sat on the very Committee that would consider a blank cass tax. They said it was about a warning sticker for parents but it went so much further. An artist who was slapped with that sticker would/could be banned from live performances in multiple Cities. Stations fined and record labels 'assessed' on content. These clowns wanted to instruct the where, when, how and even if small retail could display and sell the product. Ol Tipper directly influenced and called for the jailing of Jello Biafra based on an "offensive" poster they included in the Frakenchrist album. Dude was criminally prosecuted after she chimed in to the law and legislators in Ca ffs. Ask Ice T about cancel culture before the keyboard movements came along .

    I remember Dee Snider doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
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    Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.
    Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

    You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

    To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

    A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

    Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

    Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

    If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

    Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

    My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

    The weight of public opinion has finally shifted far enough so that an economically significant number of people see these images as racist and would be unlikely to buy any more Seuss books. Kind of like how you don't get circus or fair freak shows anymore.
    Because the freak shows are now free
    And you can read his bullshit here everyday and it’s always 100% right.

    I used the Dr Seuss books as an example. You can bring up music etc. but what we are seeing now, mass bans and shadow bans on social media, the way our media will cover for some attack others, Amazon dropping books, I could go on and on. It’s happening everyday day here. We aren’t putting labels on things we are silencing people. The left is abusing its power. Sure you could say Amazon is a private company they can carry whatever they want but big tech is in direct alliance with the left. There is a new age of censorship amongst us. They can shut down the president if they wanted to (ha ha no they would never do something like that) are we that frightened of different thought? I think Biden should get the same questions from the press Trump did, or maybe question why he isn’t. We are shutting down thought, speech and books from a viewpoint 70 million Americans voted for. We aren’t giving artists a hard time, they are deplatformed if they are conservative. Its happening right in front of our faces, you don’t mind it that’s fine. Bring up Dungeons and dragons and Harry Potter and say “see” wtf dudes we are at next level shit here. The dr Seuss stuff helps keep the racial stuff stirred up.,FYI kids in China read dr Seuss when they are learning English, they never complained about anything in it. They actually asked if I could bring more “with Chinese people in them”. And genocide continues in the Middle East and China, but here we are. Pausing our military and training them on race while China builds up its navy, genetically modifying its soldiers and laughing at us and writhing articles in their government press about how immoral and racist we are. When are we gonna say, our government got something going on with all this labeling of everyone. Is it a distraction?

    Society is changing and it's causing a great deal of confusion and panic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
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    Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.
    Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

    You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

    To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

    A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

    Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

    Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

    If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

    Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

    My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

    The weight of public opinion has finally shifted far enough so that an economically significant number of people see these images as racist and would be unlikely to buy any more Seuss books. Kind of like how you don't get circus or fair freak shows anymore.
    Because the freak shows are now free
    And you can read his bullshit here everyday and it’s always 100% right.

    I used the Dr Seuss books as an example. You can bring up music etc. but what we are seeing now, mass bans and shadow bans on social media, the way our media will cover for some attack others, Amazon dropping books, I could go on and on. It’s happening everyday day here. We aren’t putting labels on things we are silencing people. The left is abusing its power. Sure you could say Amazon is a private company they can carry whatever they want but big tech is in direct alliance with the left. There is a new age of censorship amongst us. They can shut down the president if they wanted to (ha ha no they would never do something like that) are we that frightened of different thought? I think Biden should get the same questions from the press Trump did, or maybe question why he isn’t. We are shutting down thought, speech and books from a viewpoint 70 million Americans voted for. We aren’t giving artists a hard time, they are deplatformed if they are conservative. Its happening right in front of our faces, you don’t mind it that’s fine. Bring up Dungeons and dragons and Harry Potter and say “see” wtf dudes we are at next level shit here. The dr Seuss stuff helps keep the racial stuff stirred up.,FYI kids in China read dr Seuss when they are learning English, they never complained about anything in it. They actually asked if I could bring more “with Chinese people in them”. And genocide continues in the Middle East and China, but here we are. Pausing our military and training them on race while China builds up its navy, genetically modifying its soldiers and laughing at us and writhing articles in their government press about how immoral and racist we are. When are we gonna say, our government got something going on with all this labeling of everyone. Is it a distraction?

    Society is changing and it's causing a great deal of confusion and panic.
    Ha! What an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Society is changing and it's causing a great deal of confusion and panic.
    Those 4 olds aren't gonna smash themselves eh comrade


    This is what you are pushing towards whether you know it or not

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    Mindblowing how the left is hypnotically walking in lock step with this slide down into the abyss and doesnt realize it.

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    Ironic how both sides accuse the other of being brainwashed/hypnotized/etc.

    Me... I couldn't be happier Trump lost. That must mean I'm being brainwashed by the extreme, evil left... victimized by their propaganda machinery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Ironic how both sides accuse the other of being brainwashed/hypnotized/etc.

    Me... I couldn't be happier Trump lost. That must mean I'm being brainwashed by the extreme, evil left... victimized by their propaganda machinery.
    I don’t know he still seems to be renting a lot of space in your head. He lost, Biden’s president, doing a great job except I keep seeing oatmeal on his shoes and he has vicious racist dogs.

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    I don’t know he still seems to be renting a lot of space in your head.

    who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Society is changing and it's causing a great deal of confusion and panic.
    Those 4 olds aren't gonna smash themselves eh comrade


    This is what you are pushing towards whether you know it or not


    I'm not watching a video. You'll have to make an argument with actual words. You seem to be suggesting that changes in societal mores that are causing private businesses to make choices about their long term business strategy and/or society becoming more liberal-wishy-washy and becoming more considerate of minority groups of their fellow citizens is going to lead to some kind of Orwellian totalitarian state. I'm not sure how you get from A to B on this. Perhaps you can explain.

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