
Originally Posted by
TitoFan

Originally Posted by
TIC
does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?
Ginger groupie.....
For one thing, you should wash your mouth out with soap for even daring to speak of the great Hagler in such disrespectful terms.
canelo must live rent free in you & primo carnera's head. this discussion is about marvin, the fab four & some guys i would have like to see him fight that might have better challenges. disrespectful? i'm just asking about marvin fighting some smaller guys who he is mainly associated with. chill out titofan, if you have nothing to add to the discussion that's fine but you are the one derailing the discussion with your own comparisons & trying to make out i'm making that argument, that is called a strawman

Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by
TIC

Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by
TIC
you are the only one mentioning canelo here. i know marvin did most of his work coming up but he is frequently mentioned as part of the four kings, the other three all started at lower weights than marvin. his biggest threat around eighty five to eighty seven in my opinion was the bodysnatcher who also began at a lower weight than marvin but marvin bent the knee & took the money to fight an inactive guy instead
If you go back to the first line I wrote on this subject , you’ll know why I mentioned Canelo.
But you chose to ignore that.
this was your first line
"If this is a way of justifying Canelo v Crawford you are way off."
you're making assumptions. i'm posting about marvin, nothing about canelo. you also assume i ignored it. i didn't, it just had nothing to do with what i am posting about. bud jumping three weights is completely different from what i'm posting about marvin
Here we go!

So you make a comment about Hagler for no reason at all, and revive a thread that hasn’t seen the light of day for the best part of 4 years hey? I think I have very good reason to “Assume” that it was an indirect comparison to the Canelo / Crawford situation.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, but you never answer with a straight “Yes” or “No”, so we have to make our own minds up.
You should be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions rather than let everyone accuse you.
But hey, if you want to “say things without saying them” crack on.
i have my reasons for commenting about marvin, did you ask my reason? no you just assumed it had something to do with canelo. one of my reasons if you're interested is mike mccallum & was going to go into the rest of the fab four & them not fighting him, another reason was marvin bending the knee for the ray fight
yes i used an old thread, there's nothing wrong with that is there? the only other thread i could find on marvin was called marvin haggler so i went with this one. i must have missed where it says you must start a new thread for a new discussion
you know what they say about assumptions
what question did you ask that i didn't answer? you came in with an assumption not related to what i'm discussing. you made up your mind based on your own assumption
i asked "does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?"
"be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions"
here we go then, i think marvin avoided tougher challenges to cash out against smaller guys towards the end of his career, there's nothing wrong with that but that's how i see it. i also think the rest of the fab four avoided the bodysnatcher. i also don't agree with the notion that marvin retired because he was disgusted by the decision against ray, i think he retired because he was embarrassed that he lost to a smaller guy who was coming of nearly three years of inactivity
now let's see if you can be brave & have the courage to admit your assumptions were wrong
for the record, since the canelo v bud fight has been mentioned, i don't like the fight & won't give canelo any credit for a win. i'd prefer to see him fight christian mbilli & then try for a shot at the artur v dmitry two winner & i'd like bud to make a run at jr middle, there are some fantastic match ups there
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