Boxing Forums



User Tag List

Thanks Thanks:  0
Likes Likes:  2
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: The Other Four Kings

Share/Bookmark
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    2,805
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1339
    Cool Clicks

    Default The Other Four Kings



    A writer recently pointed out that, “during the the 1980s, the late Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, and Roberto Duran enlivened the sport, fighting each other in what amounted to a round-robin, nine fights in all fought across four weight divisions. Looking back 20-odd years later, the late Boston Herald (and TSS) columnist George Kimball dubbed them the Four Kings, a name that would stick.” He went on to state,, “It seems inevitable that [Devin] Haney, [Teofimo] Lopez, [Ryan] Garcia, and [Gervonta] Davis will cross paths with each other before their careers are finished. More than one writer has dubbed the quartet the new Four Kings.”
    Maybe so but let’s slow this down a bit before the memory of four other kings fades. These particular four traveled on the U.K. Expressway, a uniquely fast, ferocious, and furious pathway. They were Chris Eubank, Carl Thompson, Nigel Benn, and Michael Watson and they, too, had lots in common.
    I have always had a special affinity for fighters from the United Kingdom. Maybe it has to do with their grit or maybe the drama that seems to unfold in many of the top fights. It might have started when Alan Minter shocked and dismantle Sugar Ray Seales in 1976. However, watching the likes of Carl Thompson, Chris Eubank, Michael Watson and Nigel Benn have provided special thrills

    First and foremost, these four were warriors in the true sense of the word. They would risk their own well being to render havoc on an opponent, and in too many instances, the price paid was terribly high.

    Like their U.S. based counterparts, they often fought each other. Watson lost to Eubank twice, but beat Benn by shocking TKO in 1989. Benn went 0-1-1 with Eubank with their savage draw in 1993—a fight that was called England’s answer to Hagler-Hearns—being fought in front of 42,000 rabid fans. Thompson beat Eubank twice during his exciting chill-or-be-chilled career. But it wasn’t so much that they had great records or were world champions at one time or another as it was the way in which they fought.

    Benn

    Nigel Benn was and is a complex, emotional and extremely soulful man who fought the best of UK competition at a time when that competition was as keen as any in the world. A middleweight and super middleweight boxing champion with a 42-5-1 record (three of his defeats came at the end of his career), Benn’s life is the grist for a movie or Netflix series

    When you think of Benn, you also think of words like fury, rage, and ferocity. These were his trademarks in the ring and they provided uncommon excitement and entertainment for fight fans, but sadly his career defining fight with the great bomber Gerald McClellan ended with tragic results and detracts from his entire body of work.

    As Boxing Monthly contributor Ian McNeilly poignantly said, "One man’s finest hour was the end of another man’s life as he knew it…the fight with Gerald was one of the best and worst to ever take place. A triumphant and tragic microcosm of boxing." It would change Nigel's life forever, and according to his trainer, the tragic results of that fight took away his fighting spirit. “

    Quoting McNeilly again, "The story of Gerald McClellan is a painful one, one that fighters, boxing writers and fans seem to find it easy not to discuss......This is because he is a living embodiment of the risks fighters take every time they step through the ropes, a reminder of the dangers that are ignored at peril. To dwell on cases like Gerald McClellan would destroy the sport. To ignore him is to debase ourselves."


    Nigel Benn was a one of a kind and will not soon be forgotten. Hopefully, no boxing fan will ever ignore Gerald MeClellan.

    Eubank
    A match with a James Toney or Michael Nunn would be a game of chess. A fight with Benn is another matter, because he punches like no other man. It took me 10 months to recover from that fight, (and) 10 months to recover from the Watson II fight, too. – Chris Eubank

    No one was more eccentric than Chris Eubank, but this is not about his cane, bowler hat, jodhpurs, monocles, lisp, etc, etc. The cocky and flamboyant Eubank, who went undefeated in his first 43 bouts, was the antithesis of Benn and a great rivalry developed between the two culminating in two historic fights. Few can forget the manner in which Eubank seemed to get under Benn’s skin and drive him to distraction. It was high camp and it was funny as all hell.

    Their first fight between Eubank and Benn was termed “Grand Prix stuff” by commentator Dave Brennar as both men went at each other with malice aforethought and evil intent. The fight was a classic, with Eubank finally stopping Benn with 5 seconds to go in the 9th round, but not before being decked twice himself. Their second bout was a brawl, a grueling and fierce affair after which each warrior paid the other their due respect. Chris participated in two more such fights against Michael Watson and they are discussed below. Eubank finished his great career with two losses to Carl The Cat Thompson and one to Joe Calzaghe, but his 45-5-2 record came against the very best opposition possible and if a tally were made of its won-loss record, the finding would be astounding.

    Michael “The Force” Watson


    September 21st, 1991, was the night that Michael Watson should have died --Chris Baldwin

    I was completely inspired. I felt tears falling from my eyes. It has lived with me forever. How do you expect that to make a man feel when you are called 'The People's Champion?' That's the one label they will never take away from me.--Watson

    Watson and Eubank fought one of the most savage fights in British boxing history. Indeed, it was Britain’s Hagler-Hearns.

    Both Watson and Eubank had agility, skill, and power. They were classy and smart fighters who could adapt well for differing opponents and circumstances. After a grueling 10 rounds of action when they finally met in the ring, things came to a boil in round 11. It was an incredible and classic ebb and flow 3 minutes with Eubank tiring badly, but then suddenly rallying and taking it to Watson, hurting him with several hard shots. But the rally almost gassed Chris, allowing Watson to return the punishment in kind and finally knocking Eubank down with a crunching right to the head. Then, with Watson ahead on points and seemingly on the verge of a stoppage victory, Eubank—who had struggled to his feet-- immediately connected with a devastating uppercut which caused Watson to crash backward and strike the back of his head against the ropes. His eyes glazed over as the bell rang and he staggered back to his corner. Soon after round 12 began, a helpless Watson was trapped in a corner and Referee Roy Francis wisely stopped the fight, but Watson collapsed in the ring.

    His life was at great risk. A total of 28 minutes elapsed before he received treatment in a hospital. He spent over a month in a coma, had six brain operations to remove a blood clot, and then languished over a year in intensive care and rehabilitation before facing six more grueling years in a wheelchair while he ever so gradually recovered some movements as well as the ability to speak and write.

    No one really expected Watson to live, much less talk or write. Yet, against all odds, he finished the Marathon in 2003, capturing the hearts and minds of an entire nation. As people wept in joy and urged him on, Watson walked for six days. He reached his goal after twelve long years, way too many operations and hospitals, and far too many years in a wheelchair. But he trained for months and walked the entire 26 miles ad 385 yards.

    On 4 February 2004, Michael was awarded the MBE (Most Excellent Order of the British Empire) by H.M. Queen Elizabeth II. Hamlyn established the Brain and Spine Foundation seventeen years ago, and remains in awe of Watson.

    Carl Thompson

    Manchester-born Carl Thompson won the IBO Cruiserweight Title by beating Sebastiaan Rothmann in a closet classic and then turned right around and stopped contender and future champion David Haye in still another great fight in which Haye was winning but gassed and allowed the cunning “Cat” to catch and claw him out. In 2001, The Cat lost to American Ezra Sellers in a fantastic slugfest in which both warriors were down multiple times. Prior to that one, Thompson had won the IBO Cruiserweight Title for the first time. He finished his career with six straight wins and will forever be adored by his fans as a humble but fierce warrior who participated in a number of true classics.

    Reminiscent of the Norkus-Nardico classic, the Cat's all-out pier 6 with Sellers in 2001 involved 6 knockdowns (Thompson was knocked down four times, Sellers twice)! Sellers finally halted “The Cat” in the fourth round and ended a winning streak that had started after Thompson lost to Johnny Nelson in 1999. Thompson had been decked many times before, but he'd always gotten up. Against Ezra, he was separated from his senses and sent to Feline Dreamland. This fight reliably demonstrated what can happen when two chill-or-be-chilled types face off.

    It was truly a shame that Carl flew under the radar of American boxing writers and fans. In many ways, his exploits were just as noteworthy as those of Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank (whom he beat twice in 199, or Michael Watson. Maybe it was because he fought as a cruiserweight (a lower profile weight division) but more likely it’s because he never fought outside of Europe.


    “If you want loyalty, buy a dog.” Ricky Hatton





  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    2,805
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1339
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    test

    “If you want loyalty, buy a dog.” Ricky Hatton





  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    64,622
    Mentioned
    1667 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    3019
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    I would not class these fighters in the same category of the Four Kings. They were not at that legendary level even if they gave us a great time in boxing. The US fighters like Roy Jones Junior, James Toney and Jamaican the body snatcher Mike McCallum were better and I would even say these 3 British fighters avoided Herol Graham who would have beaten them.

    I would not count Carl Thompson as the 4th person as he only fought Eubank and that was at the end of Chris career and was at the higher weight. A more appropriate person would be Steve Collins as he fought Eubank and Benn at super middleweight even if it was at the end of both their careers.

    Nigel Benn’s first fight with Chris Eubank in 1990 was a brutal war but Chris was put on the floor once not twice as you claim and that was more of a slip from a punch to the back of the head. Richard Steele said that was the most brutal fight he had seen and he was a world class referee.

    The second fight was not a war as you stated. Benn had adapted his defence and moved his head to the extent that Eubank could not handle it. Benn grew as a better fighter and into the super middleweight limit.

    Nigel Benn was the more exciting fighter who improved after each loss and took on the most dangerous challenges going to US and Italy to rip the titles away from the champions. He was the only one willing to take on the dangerous G Man and the only one who would have been bold enough to face Jones and Toney if the offer was right.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    8,938
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1798
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Your infatuation with Herol is disturbing
    Don't bully fat kids - they've got enough on their plate

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Paradise
    Posts
    26,053
    Mentioned
    530 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1947
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    I've always felt Wilfredo Benitez was slighted when this reference came out. IMO, there were five kings.

    Benitez faced Leonard (L-TKO), Duran (W-UD), and Hearns (L-MD). The only one of the four he didn't face was Hagler.

    Five Kings.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    2,805
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1339
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I've always felt Wilfredo Benitez was slighted when this reference came out. IMO, there were five kings.

    Benitez faced Leonard (L-TKO), Duran (W-UD), and Hearns (L-MD). The only one of the four he didn't face was Hagler.

    Five Kings.
    huh!!!!!!!!!?

    “If you want loyalty, buy a dog.” Ricky Hatton





  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    2,805
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1339
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I would not class these fighters in the same category of the Four Kings. They were not at that legendary level even if they gave us a great time in boxing. The US fighters like Roy Jones Junior, James Toney and Jamaican the body snatcher Mike McCallum were better and I would even say these 3 British fighters avoided Herol Graham who would have beaten them.

    I would not count Carl Thompson as the 4th person as he only fought Eubank and that was at the end of Chris career and was at the higher weight. A more appropriate person would be Steve Collins as he fought Eubank and Benn at super middleweight even if it was at the end of both their careers.

    Nigel Benn’s first fight with Chris Eubank in 1990 was a brutal war but Chris was put on the floor once not twice as you claim and that was more of a slip from a punch to the back of the head. Richard Steele said that was the most brutal fight he had seen and he was a world class referee.

    The second fight was not a war as you stated. Benn had adapted his defence and moved his head to the extent that Eubank could not handle it. Benn grew as a better fighter and into the super middleweight limit.

    Nigel Benn was the more exciting fighter who improved after each loss and took on the most dangerous challenges going to US and Italy to rip the titles away from the champions. He was the only one willing to take on the dangerous G Man and the only one who would have been bold enough to face Jones and Toney if the offer was right.


    Well you sure missed the intent of the article. It was intended to "remind" rather than "compare."
    Last edited by holmcall; 03-23-2021 at 09:38 PM.

    “If you want loyalty, buy a dog.” Ricky Hatton





  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    2,805
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1339
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    I've always felt Wilfredo Benitez was slighted when this reference came out. IMO, there were five kings.

    Benitez faced Leonard (L-TKO), Duran (W-UD), and Hearns (L-MD). The only one of the four he didn't face was Hagler.

    Five Kings.

    I agree but Kimball set the definitions and I had to go with his four.

    “If you want loyalty, buy a dog.” Ricky Hatton





  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    On the levee
    Posts
    45,552
    Mentioned
    428 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    5034
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Interesting stuff. On a side note I named a feral can I adopted after Nigel Benn. He definitely thought he was a king. Missed cleaning the litter box once so he climbed onto my nightstand in the middle of the night and pissed on my wallet. And keys. Closest I've ever come to being married . On a side side note. Benn beat Eubanks in II.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    64,622
    Mentioned
    1667 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    3019
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I would not class these fighters in the same category of the Four Kings. They were not at that legendary level even if they gave us a great time in boxing. The US fighters like Roy Jones Junior, James Toney and Jamaican the body snatcher Mike McCallum were better and I would even say these 3 British fighters avoided Herol Graham who would have beaten them.

    I would not count Carl Thompson as the 4th person as he only fought Eubank and that was at the end of Chris career and was at the higher weight. A more appropriate person would be Steve Collins as he fought Eubank and Benn at super middleweight even if it was at the end of both their careers.

    Nigel Benn’s first fight with Chris Eubank in 1990 was a brutal war but Chris was put on the floor once not twice as you claim and that was more of a slip from a punch to the back of the head. Richard Steele said that was the most brutal fight he had seen and he was a world class referee.

    The second fight was not a war as you stated. Benn had adapted his defence and moved his head to the extent that Eubank could not handle it. Benn grew as a better fighter and into the super middleweight limit.

    Nigel Benn was the more exciting fighter who improved after each loss and took on the most dangerous challenges going to US and Italy to rip the titles away from the champions. He was the only one willing to take on the dangerous G Man and the only one who would have been bold enough to face Jones and Toney if the offer was right.


    Well you sure missed the intent of the article. It was intended to "remind" rather than "compare."
    The article is reminding people the wrong things from what I remember.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    64,622
    Mentioned
    1667 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    3019
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: The Other Four Kings

    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I would not class these fighters in the same category of the Four Kings. They were not at that legendary level even if they gave us a great time in boxing. The US fighters like Roy Jones Junior, James Toney and Jamaican the body snatcher Mike McCallum were better and I would even say these 3 British fighters avoided Herol Graham who would have beaten them.

    I would not count Carl Thompson as the 4th person as he only fought Eubank and that was at the end of Chris career and was at the higher weight. A more appropriate person would be Steve Collins as he fought Eubank and Benn at super middleweight even if it was at the end of both their careers.

    Nigel Benn’s first fight with Chris Eubank in 1990 was a brutal war but Chris was put on the floor once not twice as you claim and that was more of a slip from a punch to the back of the head. Richard Steele said that was the most brutal fight he had seen and he was a world class referee.

    The second fight was not a war as you stated. Benn had adapted his defence and moved his head to the extent that Eubank could not handle it. Benn grew as a better fighter and into the super middleweight limit.

    Nigel Benn was the more exciting fighter who improved after each loss and took on the most dangerous challenges going to US and Italy to rip the titles away from the champions. He was the only one willing to take on the dangerous G Man and the only one who would have been bold enough to face Jones and Toney if the offer was right.


    Well you sure missed the intent of the article. It was intended to "remind" rather than "compare."
    The article is reminding people the wrong things from what I remember.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. The Kings Of Welterweights!!
    By the-anton-bomb in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 04-18-2008, 06:18 PM
  2. Kings Of Leon
    By smashup in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 04-22-2007, 07:25 AM
  3. Gypsy kings
    By KickboxAmob in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 06-30-2006, 11:54 PM
  4. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME DON KINGS E-MAIL ADDRESS
    By SalTheButcher in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-10-2006, 12:04 PM
  5. When We were Kings
    By BIG H in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-29-2006, 01:28 PM

Bookmarks

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  




Boxing | Boxing Photos | Boxing News | Boxing Forum | Boxing Rankings

Copyright © 2000 - 2024 Saddo Boxing - Boxing