Here it is. I didn’t turn the light on because President Trump said that light kills the virus
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why are animals made of meat ?
Us is the vast majority of scientists, philosophers and great thinkers since Sir Francis Bacon first outlined it as a rational logical way to solve problems and define reality back in the 16th century. (in fact you can go back to Egypt and Ancient Greece and China to find something very similar).
Critical thinking is the key component though, because without it you cannot use logic to come to conclusions.
This is where you fall down.
You find it impossible to excercise critical thinking. You do not have any respect for objectivity. Without verifiability, any test to prove whether an hypothesis is true or false is meaningless.
Your idea that one person doing a test is the only person who knows something and everyone else who trust the scientific method is merely beleiving and trusting the word of others, shows exactly how dense and naive you really are.
It is in the repeated testing and collection of masses of data from testing again and again the hypothesis, that true knowledge lies.
You are talking about your own subjective emotions when you insist that people answer your question. It has nothing to do with knowledge or knowing anything.
You have admitted yourself that you are not interested in knowledge only belief. That is why you are even trying to prescribe what people should answer in order to avoid changing your BELIEF.
Putting it simply -
The scientific method allows scientific data to be replicated and confirmed in many instances, under different circumstances, and by a variety of researchers. Through replication of experiments, experts can reduce errors and broaden the applicability of theories. It also allows theories to be tested and validated instead of simply being conjectures that could never be verified or falsified. All of this allows experts to gain a stronger understanding of how the virus works.
That is how we know Covid can live outside of the body.
Not because of the word of others but because the hypothesis that suggested such a thing was true has been tested and verified thousands of times by experts in controlled conditions with neutral bystanders and checks and balances all across the world.
That is knowledge or knowing something, whereas what you are asking us all to do is pretend that none of those experiments have been done or that every person doing so is telling lies. You are askng us all to make a leap of faith and believe something for which you can not present even one shred of evidence. You can not even present the kind of stupid anecdotal evidence you are asking us all to pull out of our arses.
Now is the time to show your hand.
Unless of course you were bluffing all along?
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i should have been a little more clear. you can call a person's illness whatever you like. you see an illness & call it cancer, i just see an illness & call it illness or disease. so yes illness & disease is real. calling it a particular name does not solve the cause. as for global warming i know the weather changes, the temperature increases & the temperature decreases. the causes of the changes could be numerous. certain areas right now are claimed to be warmer, certain areas have claimed to have experienced colder than usual. there is a lot more to this one, as i have actually followed the temperatures the weather forecasts have been providing & caught them adjusting temperatures to make it look hotter overall for a months average than it actually was, many times the temperature is one or two if not more about what i am actually recording
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
us isn't you larry. you made claims about my reality & have been asked to prove those claims to be true & you haven't been able to. you spelt exercise & believing wrong as well spastic. you have been asked to provided your testing that proves your hypothesis is correct & haven't been able to. you haven't done anything, only put your faith, trust in others & chosen to believe. if you know something is true, then you have verified it yourself & that is knowing. you haven't, as you have admitted, so you only hold a belief. show me the scientific method you used & the experiments you have completed to prove your belief in what you were told. who is we larry? i am asking you how you know convid is real & what you have done to prove that claim. tell me how you tested that hypothesis. you don't have knowledge you only have beliefs. i'm asking you to provide details on the experiments you have completed to verify the claims. i am not saying every person is lying, i am asking them to prove their claims are true & not just a belief. i have said over & over that anyone can believe what they want. i am not interested in beliefs. keep believing because you obviously can't prove your belief is true
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Stick to COVID... because when you venture out into other medical topics, you're automatically on thin ice.
"Calling a disease a particular name" may not "solve the cause", as you curiously state. But it does serve to identify it and differentiate it from other diseases... thus allowing for treatment options and cures. What is the problem with calling cancer by its given name? Would you prefer another name? Whatever your preference, the fact is cancer is an illness as old as humanity itself, and has been studied probably more than any other disease in the history of the world. So I would limit my utterances to COVID, if I were you. Venturing out into other diseases does nothing to help your argument. It does, however... bolster all the counterarguments you've been getting over dozens of pages.
Let's be real, shall we? You yourself have many beliefs in life that do not come from personal experiments you've performed. You've been taught many facts in the fields of science, math, history, and other topics. Presumably. You weren't there for any of the history events you accept as fact. Following your logic, anyone could challenge you on any knowledge you have if you weren't personally there, or performed the experiment yourself.
I've removed myself from the COVID argument because it's pointless. An argument cannot be had unless both parts are acting in good faith and go into the argument with an open mind. You might be able to do that in other topics... but it's been abundantly clear from the get-go that COVID isn't one of those topics. It's emotional for you... and the more arguments you hear... the more you dig in your heels.
So you will go on believing what you wish, and that's quite alright.
You know what, though? There is no burden of proof here. This isn't a trial. It's not a debate of any meaning or consequence. We don't know each other. What you believe doesn't make an iota of difference in the big picture. There are enough of "us" that vaccines are being administered... research is still being conducted... remedial medicines are still being developed. Your existence and your thought process doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the overall. So what does it matter what any of us thinks? Your insistence that we somehow have to "prove" anything to you is not only disrespectful to a whole bunch of people here... but it's also comical when you consider just about everyone here has said they're not interested in convincing you of anything. I've said as much dozens of times... yet you continue to write as though convincing you was my life's goal. In reality, I couldn't give less of a shit what you think.
I will say this, however. Your method of argument consists of repeating the same phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
This, in my opinion, does little for your credibility.
An essential part of knowing is knowing who to trust. Often those insisting they are independent thinkers are those most open to be misled because they have not grasped this.
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why are animals made of meat ?
Yeah, it definitely hasn't enjoyed being isolated. It's behaviour has changed markedly, it seems to be scratching its fur a lot and is noticeably unhappy.
I would triumphantly conclude that, having provably isolated the virus now, I need to show how you can catch it from a surface or through the air.
I tried shoving the virus up my nose but it wouldn't quite fit in my nostril. I think TIC might have been onto something all along now as I can't see how you could physically catch the virus from inhaling it - which means that all those anti-maskers might be right after all.
Of course, having the virus stuck in your nose might technically count as 'catching it' and thus actually being infected? That is clearly why infected people are immune (obviously having a virus blocking each nostril means that nothing else can get in, so you are immune)
In a startling new development ..... I have also established the cause of so-called 'long covid' too.
As part of my experiment to see if one could catch my newly isolated virus from a surface, I also licked it up and swallowed it yesterday. This morning, I have discovered that the virus is now lodged and is blocking my anus so I can't have a poo.
Logically, I will not now be able to expel that virus from my body for some time now ............ so I have long Covid.
I will keep you all informed of my continuing ground breaking research in due course!
If God wanted us to be vegetarians, why are animals made of meat ?
i don't care what a disease is called but it is an illness or disease. i am interested in the cause. i was asked a question by primo carnera about cancer. that is why i responded about diseases & illnesses. i understand the difference between believing & knowing. if i haven't verified something myself to be true then i only have faith & a belief in what i have been told. i don't know that to be true. i am acting in good faith in this discussion with you & i have an open mind. i have asked you to start the discussion from the beginning claim & how you know that to be true. you & primo carnera are the only two that admit you only trust & believe that to be true. you are free to believe what you want. you & family members being ill & having symptoms & believing a faulty test is not you proving the claim that convid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. as i have said before, correlation does not prove causation. you can keep your belief all you want but that investigation is not good enough for me regarding the claims of covid. i don't believe the claims about covid & am asking those that claim to know it's real to provide proof of how they know this to be true. there is a burden of proof when someone is claiming to know something is real & that burden falls on those making that claim. it doesn't matter to me what you think or believe, i am only interested in what you can prove. i don't think it's disrespectful at all to ask someone to prove their claim is true. no one would need to convince me if they could prove their claim is real. you have admitted you have a belief. it is your right to hold that belief. that's where our discussion ends because you can't prove your belief to be true
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
you haven't outlined your processes describing the isolation of the covid nineteen aka sars cov two virus in human beings, directly from a sample taken from a patient, where the patient sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material. note the word isolate indicates a thing is separated from all other material surrounding it. you are an example for titofan of one party not acting in good faith
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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