Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III 17/9/22

[Primo Carnera]

Can you be higher ranked p4p than your opponent, even if your opponent beat you ?

to be clear i am talking all time pound for pound, i have to say yes, i can rank a fighter higher all time pound for pound, than an opponent that beat them

Finally, you finished off your post trying to justify your view by saying some of Canelo’s best wins were at LMW.
So go on then, tell me which defences at LMW are good enough to elevate him above Ward?

he didn't say any of canelo's wins at one fifty four elevated canelo over andre did he, only that some of canelo's best wins were at light middle. you just created an argument to attack that he never made

I'm happy for you to jump into this friendly debate I'm having with @Master, because it's an open public forum for all to join in. But if you are going to do so, you need to take it from the start and put it all into context and not just cherry pick pieces out of context because you think they can prove your point in a distorted manner.
The WHOLE Debate started because @Master believed that Canelo was a better p4p fighter than Ward. (Last Sentence post#344) . So when @Master stated that , AND I QUOTE "Besides, some of Canelo's best wins were at LMW" , it is clearly a statement to back up his opinion that Canelo is above Ward p4p.
@Master has since replied and acknowledged this , so he hardly needs you to to speak on his behalf .
Like I said , join in by all means , but make sure you base your Judgement of the WHOLE CASE IN POINT.

where does he say that any of canelo's defences at light middleweight are good enough to elevate him above andre? he only said that some of canelo's best wins were at light middle. if you disagree that they are some of canelo's bests wins, that is fine but it is dishonest to create an argument that was never made. canelo's wins a light middleweight are mentioned because we are talking about careers & all time pound for pound & those fights are part of canelo's career. i'm not speaking for anyone, i am pointing out your dishonesty

Who is “creating an argument?” The only person trying to create an argument is You!…………….with Yourself.

just highlighting your dishonest tactics that i have also pointed out in the past. you skew your questions into strawman arguments that haven't been implied or made but lets move past that because i wanted to focus on one of your own questions you asked & get your answer to it if possible. do you think a fighter can be higher ranked all time pound for pound than their opponent, even if their opponent beat them?

If both Boxers are either at their prime or at the same points of their careers, then no, I don’t think a Boxer can be ranked higher than their opponent if their opponent beat them.
I’m not trying to be evasive with that answer, I’m just trying to be as clear as possible, because there are exceptions to every rule.

the part i highlighted can be hard to determined sometimes. for example bernard hopkins v jermain taylor. sure bernard was getting on but he continued to have success at the highest levels for almost a decade after he fought jermain. i have bernard ahead of jermain all time. i agree there are exceptions

I also have Hopkins ahead of Taylor.

[Master]

So you agree with me that Hearns was a better p4p champion than Hagler.

[Primo Carnera]

So you agree with me that Hearns was a better p4p champion than Hagler.

Yes , I absolutely do. But at the same time, other people would disagree and have a fair case. But yes I agree.
This is why p4p is bullshit , because it’s fantasy and there’s no factual correct choice.

[Master]

Hopkins is ahead of Taylor and that should not even be debated.