Bivol v Beterbiev next!

[Master]

Innocent until proven guilty. Beterbiev lives the life of a dedicated boxer.

[Memphis]

I didn't really score it, but I thought Beterbiev got on top. Bivol not quite the firepower to keep him honest. The commentary from Woodhall, Dempsey (I think) and Carl Frampton in the studio between rounds, was nothing short of disgusting. Frampton wrote Bivol off before half way. I think it was the 9th Bivol cantered. Woodhall and Dempsey didn't have the grace to give him any credit. All they could muster was how Bivol wasn't hurting Beterbiev.

Talking of hurt. Big Fraze getting his canister rearranged like that was a shocker. I thought the nose really hampered Wardley in the first fight. I also think there was a touch of imposter syndrome going on too. Not sure he truly believed he belonged. I expected him to be better second go around. Not that much better though. That injury looked like it might be enough to make Frazer think about jacking it in. That's going to take some coming back from.

Talking of grace. Conor Benn is completely lacking any isn't he? What a repellent cunt. I suppose me mentioning him means he's done his job. I can't believe I'm saying this. But this will be the first time I hope Eubank batters Benn.

Eubank, Opetaia and Nicolson did what they wanted didn't they.

Ben Whittaker. Busted flush. Shame.

[Denilson3.0]

A hole in the head ? Due to a broken cheekbone and a detached jaw. Man man man..... You don't play boxing. I wish Frazier all the best in his recovery

Wardley & Wilder need to talk

I'd be surprised if we saw Clarke box again due to the severity of that injury. This is the glass era. Only Hrgovic holding the fort.

Clarke's problem is his physicality. A heavyweight boxer’s neck should be wider than their jaw. Proportionally, Clarke’s is very small. And he carries a lot of bodyfat. He’s just not a great athlete clearly, albeit a competent boxer with good fundamentals.

[TIC]

Gutted that I missed the fight, but thankful for the great RBR from you guys. Life sometimes gets in the way of the best laid plans. Sounds like the fight lived up to the hype. Nothing but respect for these two. I'll obviously try and catch it on YouTube or a delayed telecast.

couple of links
https://x.com/i/status/1845320301934149721
http://ok.ru/video/7250165566053

@TIC , Any more links? Both those 2 have been taken down. I watched the first 6 rounds earlier on the X link , but it’s been blocked.

the youtube one still seems to be up for me

this one is working as of this post
http://ok.ru/video/7251242846821

[Primo Carnera]

Gutted that I missed the fight, but thankful for the great RBR from you guys. Life sometimes gets in the way of the best laid plans. Sounds like the fight lived up to the hype. Nothing but respect for these two. I'll obviously try and catch it on YouTube or a delayed telecast.

couple of links
https://x.com/i/status/1845320301934149721
http://ok.ru/video/7250165566053

@TIC , Any more links? Both those 2 have been taken down. I watched the first 6 rounds earlier on the X link , but it’s been blocked.

the youtube one still seems to be up for me

this one is working as of this post
http://ok.ru/video/7251242846821

Cheers @TIC, just watched it. Gotta be honest , I may be biased, but I had Bivol winning it by at least 2 rounds.
The problem was that Bivol was on the back foot most of the fight. It’s hard to look like you’re winning the fight like that.
But pro boxing is scored on rounds won. Unless you knock someone down or completely batter someone in a round, it’s 10-9.
And Bivol won more rounds, landed with more combinations, more punches. Just because they didn’t have an effect because Beterbiev is made of stone doesn’t matter. You don’t win rounds by absorbing punches.
I can see why judges gave Beterbiev rounds, but it doesn’t make it right.

[ykdadamaja]

I had this fight 116-112 for Bivol. The real fight was in the 6-10 rounds, which I gave Bivol most of. Bivol also won the first three rounds in my books. Beterbiev won the last two rounds, but not convincingly as people made it seem to turn the fight around.

I think we place too much emphasis on the last two rounds for aggression. Like, what did you expect Bivol to do? Stand in front of Beterbiev and get knocked out? Like, wtf? Why would he do that?

To ask a man to forget his boxing skills and stand toe to toe against a power puncher in the late rounds when he was already winning the boxing match is barbaric and silly.

[Memphis]

And I want to say something else about AB.

You know I'm a year older than AB. He's 39.

When I was a lot younger and stupid, I tried PEDS (light dosage and light stuffs, like deca, test, oxandrolone, stanozolol and Metandienone) of course not all in 1 cycle. I have like 3-4 cycle in total but I pretty much know most stuffs, and I know how it works. I have to say that I've ALWAYS been suspicious of AB. Nobody can out macho him. He's just a tank. His strength is not normal.

His last two fights were postponed due to "injury"





And then he had his testosrone controversy



I just don't buy that at the 39 years old, you will somehow have "elevated" levels especially for this, and HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is one of the key stuffs for athlete to take. Body naturally can produce a lot of stuffs, but your test is going to be hit when you hit 32-33, and especially at your late 30s. I don't know much about the HGH, as it's dangerous, but the benefits for athletes are huge. This is just ain't a good look. Let's be real he was most likely cycling off,

But it could mean anything. It could very well means Beterbiev is juicing like mad, and he mismanaged his cycle, and that's why he delays fight and they slipped up with the cycle/masking agents etc.

Or it could very well be just an unusual case, and Beterbiev is clean as a whistle.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was roided out of his mind. Any big outlier who fights like a wrecking ball should be suspect.

If a fighter has atypically high levels of endogenous hormones, then you would expect them to continually test at an "abnormal" level. Sudden spikes are only indicative of a mistimed cycle. And somehow magically his next few test, somehow was in the norm

Russia's Olympic teams were doping like nuts when Beterbiev competed for them, so I'd be very, very surprised if he wasn't on the sauce by then. Also unlikely that he went cold turkey as a pro and was unfortunate enough to have an "atypical" result. The only way to have higher than normal Testosterone and HGH levels at 39 years old is by being on Peds. There is no way to have high level of test at 39 years old, and be natural.

Trust me I know.

As Master has said, innocent until proven guilty. But I'm on board with all of this. There is something seriously suspect about him. OK, You can't condemn a man for looking like a stone cold killer who is carved out of granite. But fucking hell.

I said exactly the same things months ago. Getting stronger and fitter as he gets older. Having to postpone multiple fights back to back due to injuries. Both suspect.

The atypical thing. It's still a fucking mystery to me. Questions..

Prior to Beterbiev/Smith. Can anyone recall reading or hearing about a fighter returning an atypical result? As in it becoming worthy of mention publicly?

Since Beterbiev/Smith. Have there been a glut of further A typical results that have been worthy of public consumption?

How the fuck does an atypical finding differ from someone blatantly taking PEDS? Because post Beterbiev/Smith, every Tom Dick and Harry became an expert in atypical results and what they meant. But every expert explanation I read, sounded exactly like someone taking, and then cycling off of a drug.

Again. Innocent until proven guilty. And there's no real accusation of guilt to be fair. But the whole Beterbiev setup strikes me as suspect.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Fight should have been a draw

[TIC]

i had artur by a round but i wouldn't argue with either guy winning by a round. a draw would have been reasonable. close fight for me

[Master]

i had artur by a round but i wouldn't argue with either guy winning by a round. a draw would have been reasonable. close fight for me

Same here, I had Beterbiev 7-5 but it was an excellent elite level contest that was very close.

I think if you supported Bivol/Beterbiev you would have been swayed to call a close round to them because scoring is so subjective.

[Master]

Heavyweight Frazer Clarke has had surgery on his jaw and cheekbone following his first-round stoppage loss to Fabio Wardley in Saudi Arabia on Saturday.

The 33-year-old was taken to hospital after suffering a fracture high on his jaw in their British title fight.

Boxxer promoter Ben Shalom said Clarke underwent "minor" surgery in Riyadh on Sunday. He landed back in the United Kingdom on Monday morning.

"He's feeling more motivated than ever to come back bigger and better in the new year," Shalom told Sky Sports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/a...s/cx24w33xyy4o

[Master]

After the fight, the judges scorecards revealed they were split on just two occasions - the fourth and seventh rounds.

All the judges gave Bivol, 33, the first two rounds, eighth and the ninth round, while they were unanimous on Beterbiev winning the third, fifth, sixth, 10th, 11th and final round.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/a...s/ckg949wz3g4o

[Denilson3.0]

As Master has said, innocent until proven guilty.

I agree and AB supporters will point to the fact he's done 10 fights under VADA with zero failed tests. I don't know for 100% sure if AB is juicing or not but let me say, if you can't get away with juicing as a boxer, you're an imbecile. You know exactly when you're fighting, sometimes 4-5 months out and at least usually 3 months out. Most these big names fight around the same time every year like Canelo in May and September. So it's easy to stack on and off and come up clean.

But I'm on board with all of this. There is something seriously suspect about him.

For sure, and if anyone is giving AB the benefit of the doubt, then maybe if you're comparing him to the average 39 year old man then yes Beterbiev has elevated HGH and testosterone levels - he eats clean, sleeps early, trains like a maniac and doesn't take drugs or drink alcohol. Those are all factors that contribute to raised levels of those hormones purely through lifestyle choices.

If however, you're comparing him to someone who DOES inject HGH and take TRT then his levels were lower. Then you have to take into account his genetics. He has low bodyfat, dense bones and huge hands. Those are signs of people with larger than usual Test and HGH.

Also, he's pure Caucus.

They don't mix with other races at all. Their women don't marry outside of Chechen tribes pretty much EVER so they have very distinct genetic markers.

OK, You can't condemn a man for looking like a stone cold killer who is carved out of granite. But fucking hell.

His team has said he goes to the Russian mountains to train prior to the start of his actual training camps. Possible he could take something during this phase to get a high stamina and strength baseline, but stops before the start of training camp.

But when I used PED's in my 20's I had chest acne but what you don't want see is chest acne in your 30's. I have noticed and posted before the Joe Smith Jr. bout, that in many of his fights, especially for a man in his upper 30's there is a large amount acne that is evident on his back and rear shoulders, which is sometimes a sign of steroid use. Chest acne for Beterbiev, who late 30's is not a good look.

Again this does not 100% prove guilty for AB but all I know is that a reasonable person could deduce that he probably cycles off just before he pops dirty. Remember there's top PED suppliers and doctors out there that openly say they're always one step ahead of the testing agencies and those agencies are always playing catch up.

I said exactly the same things months ago. Getting stronger and fitter as he gets older. Having to postpone multiple fights back to back due to injuries. Both suspect.

Cycle right, and no one pings you. Cycle wrong, and you're a headline. Go and ask Lance Armstrong.

Anyone who's used steroids before themselves (and thus knows what to look for) would know he's probably been one of the most obvious cases in the sport for a long time. I'm talking since the amateurs and certainly all throughout his pro career. I'm not suggesting that's where all his power comes from - if it was, many fighters would hit that hard.

The atypical thing. It's still a fucking mystery to me. Questions..
Prior to Beterbiev/Smith. Can anyone recall reading or hearing about a fighter returning an atypical result? As in it becoming worthy of mention publicly

Drug testing in boxing is next to useless against anyone who isn't half-assing it. I'd say he's on HGH. Look at the size of AB's head. Compare the AB's pecs to Gvodsyk, and the oblique muscles (side chest) and AB traps must be a beast, coz he has a neck even young silverback would be proud of and his nose is starting to grow deformed and I don't think AB is the type the moistrize his skin but you can see reddish acne scars



HGH HEAD

Since Beterbiev/Smith. Have there been a glut of further A typical results that have been worthy of public consumption?
How the fuck does an atypical finding differ from someone blatantly taking PEDS?

Beterbiev has elevated levels of Test and HGH, it's not necessarily because of PED use but it is a reason to suspect possible PED use.

They are two branches of the same tree. Both are reasons for suspicion.

Because post Beterbiev/Smith, every Tom Dick and Harry became an expert in atypical results and what they meant. But every expert explanation I read, sounded exactly like someone taking, and then cycling off of a drug.

I'm FAR from an expert on this. I just write from my own experience of PED use when I was a teen and early 20's. I've always said that if I were a boxer and decided to to cheat (which I wouldnt, my PED use was not to harm someone but to get bigger) the two drugs I'd use would be HGH and TRT (or maybe it would just be testosterone). Using drugs that actually mimic natural hormones are nigh impossible to detect if done correctly.

I have to say, however, that if abuse is going on, they're other signs, which I'm sure ppl know about. For example, I've yet to see someone escape the dreaded body acne, especially bacne, when abusing androgens and AB has just that.

Sometimes there are visible signs that make it obvious, but another reason why I am suss about AB is that he's never in the media. He boxes then dissapears for the rest of the year. For HGH, one of the first things I notice is a change in a man's jawline. His chin will look different, kind of wider. This is why I thought a lot of these boxers start growing beards later on in their career, to hide the change to their jawline.

Again. Innocent until proven guilty. And there's no real accusation of guilt to be fair. But the whole Beterbiev setup strikes me as suspect.

It'd be sad if Beterbiev turned out to be a drug cheat, I actually hope I'm wrong and AB is just built different, It's hard to tell really, but in my opinion ? I reckon Beterbiev is probably on the gear. But without solid proof in the bloods or urine then he can always claim innocent.

[Memphis]

Beterbiev has elevated levels of Test and HGH, it's not necessarily because of PED use but it is a reason to suspect possible PED use.

This is the part I can't get my head around. If this is naturally occurring, how do they distinguish between this and a synthetic spike? A counter argument would be that he's been through VADA testing multiple times with no issue. But to me that raises even more questions or causes even more confusion. If every other testing cycle is concluded without issue, then it further isolates this one as an anomaly no? If he naturally produces elevated levels of testosterone, it would make more sense that he return repeated 'atypical' results. Still suspect, but makes more sense than a single instance. This may be the case. But we only hear about one instance?

I don't want him to be dirty. I'm not even making a case against him. I just don't understand it. Every time I turn this atypical stuff over in my head, I come to the same conclusion. This sounds exactly like someone taking PED's.

[TIC]

turki has uploaded all the fights to his youtube channel if anyone needs them
https://www.youtube.com/@Turki_alalshikh/videos