Who is next for Canelo?

[Spicoli]

This shit is priceless...

I had previously posted a quote from De La Hoya regarding Canelo.

Here's a recent one from Andre Ward...






Here's the translation:

"The problem with Canelo Alvarez is not only the stain of (avoiding) Benavidez, but bigger things that have happened with him throughout his career.

The problem also arises when he begins to say he's one of the greatest in history, or one of the greatest Mexicans of all time, and that is NOT true.

He's a great of marketing, of creating a base of followers, of selling tickets. When you see his history you become aware that he does not take risks; he picks his rivals, some are already old, he chooses others because it is the opportune moment, he chooses others that are 2 weight divisions below, etc."

MANY former fighters know what Canelo really is: A FRAUD.

It was the Angulo crapola where I first opened my eyes to Canelos's -these are not the droids you're looking for- powers of manipulation.

I'm not ruling out a Plant rematch either . If/when he can uproot Scull. Can just see Canelo wanting that trinket back and then the barking of "multi time undisputed' begins.

[TitoFan]

It was the Angulo crapola where I first opened my eyes to Canelos's -these are not the droids you're looking for- powers of manipulation.

I'm not ruling out a Plant rematch either . If/when he can uproot Scull. Can just see Canelo wanting that trinket back and then the barking of "multi time undisputed' begins.

I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.

The list is long:

Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales

Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.

SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.


Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.

Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.

Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.



But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.

You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.

No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.



Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.

I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.

[TitoFan]

I forgot to add Mike Tyson to the list.

But what's the need?

The point has already been made.

Canelo Alvarez probably has more detractors among former boxers than any other great fighter in history.

I would be surprised (and suspicious) to find out otherwise.

[Spicoli]

It was the Angulo crapola where I first opened my eyes to Canelos's -these are not the droids you're looking for- powers of manipulation.

I'm not ruling out a Plant rematch either . If/when he can uproot Scull. Can just see Canelo wanting that trinket back and then the barking of "multi time undisputed' begins.

I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.

The list is long:

Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales

Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.

SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.


Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.

Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.

Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.



But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.

You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.

No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.



Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.

I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.

You know what really sucks about it. Other than tying up the belts and division natural progression of course. It's that in a big way the lineage was broken by Canelo in this era. As far as top division "king" giving back or even passing it on at 160-168 etc. You can say Golovkin did that for Canelo, once twice at 160. Those are passing of the torch type division/era progress for Canelo but he just shut down shop once he went to 168 where a legit threat and "next" Benavidez was Rings #1 and was right there. David was literally #1 for 5 years as ol Canelo just worked around him like a kid sneaking back into the house after midnight trying not to wake up the parents. Belts smelts. The best guys got tired of waiting on the diva to sac up and sort it out for 168, win or lose or rematch. Tip toe thru the tulips Nelo.

[Primo Carnera]

It was the Angulo crapola where I first opened my eyes to Canelos's -these are not the droids you're looking for- powers of manipulation.

I'm not ruling out a Plant rematch either . If/when he can uproot Scull. Can just see Canelo wanting that trinket back and then the barking of "multi time undisputed' begins.

I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.

The list is long:

Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales

Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.

SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.


Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.

Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.

Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.



But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.

You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.

No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.



Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.

I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.

You know what really sucks about it. Other than tying up the belts and division natural progression of course. It's that in a big way the lineage was broken by Canelo in this era. As far as top division "king" giving back or even passing it on at 160-168 etc. You can say Golovkin did that for Canelo, once twice at 160. Those are passing of the torch type division/era progress for Canelo but he just shut down shop once he went to 168 where a legit threat and "next" Benavidez was Rings #1 and was right there. David was literally #1 for 5 years as ol Canelo just worked around him like a kid sneaking back into the house after midnight trying not to wake up the parents. Belts smelts. The best guys got tired of waiting on the diva to sac up and sort it out for 168, win or lose or rematch. Tip toe thru the tulips Nelo.

I’ve said this before, I am not a Canelo fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, but we need a bit of perspective here.
Canelo is not an ATG, never will be be. He’s an ok World champion who has had a good career, but like most modern day sportsmen has been overhyped to make up for a general lack of quality.
He takes on as many challenges as any other top fighter past or present.
YES, HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ and that will always be a black mark against him. But in his 30’s a lot of other guys in the past have done the same if we’re being honest.
Canelo cannot be held responsible for holding belts to ransom. That is down to the governing body allowing it to happen.

[TitoFan]

Canelo is not an ATG, never will be be. He’s an ok World champion who has had a good career, but like most modern day sportsmen has been overhyped to make up for a general lack of quality.

The most accurate statement in your post.

He takes on as many challenges as any other top fighter past or present.

Totally DISAGREE. Define "challenges." To me, a challenge is taking on a fight where the outcome isn't predetermined by diva clauses, marination, undue advantages, or just plain cherry-picking.
NONE of the past Mexican champions I mentioned above EVER waited until the planets were aligned (or aligned them themselves) before taking on an opponent.
NONE of the past Mexican champions I mentioned above EVER tried to drain a cruiserweight 20 pounds to fight for a bogus cruiserweight "title."
NONE of the past Mexican champions I mentioned above made a habit out of fighting guys two weight divisions down.

Not to mention that the qualifier "any other top fighter past or present" is pretty damn far reaching. Hyperbole, anyone?
It that qualifier was true, then he wouldn't be just "an OK champion who has had a good career"... would he.

YES, HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ and that will always be a black mark against him.

Maybe to you, to me, and to 99% of the boxing world. Yet we have an example in this very forum where this shameful duck is (cough) "explained away" with some very twisted and far reaching (cough) "logic."
Canelo fandom will do the same... and in the annals of history, it will be glossed over as a simple (cough) "lack of opportunity"... or some other crock of shit like that.

Canelo cannot be held responsible for holding belts to ransom. That is down to the governing body allowing it to happen.

Totally disagree once again. It's not like Canelo is being FORCED to keep the belts in hiding while the white elephant in the room is right in his face. Canelo is only too happy to keep the belts, because he has always shown that trinket-collecting is of paramount importance to him. To exonerate Canelo is to coddle him once again (something he's obviously used to).

Are the governing bodies at fault also? Damn straight. But we all know what WBC really stands for, don't we? I mean... I've posted it numerous times.

WBC = We Blow Canelo (and are proud to say it)

[TIC]

HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ

do you also think canelo ducked william scull & david morrell?

[TitoFan]

Yes. Disgrace. Thank you Mike. Boxing fans agree.

[TIC]

Yes. Disgrace. Thank you Mike. Boxing fans agree.

you speaking for others again? el oh el

the fight i want to see canelo take is either against artur or a rematch with dmitry at light heavy

[TitoFan]

Yes. Disgrace. Thank you Mike. Boxing fans agree.

you speaking for others again? el oh el

That's a cut and pasted quote, Sherlock.

[TIC]

calling it a disgrace, thanking mike & speaking for other boxing fans saying they agree is not from yourself?

[TitoFan]

calling it a disgrace, thanking mike & speaking for other boxing fans saying they agree is not from yourself?

1. Mike called it a disgrace.
2. I thanked Mike. Me.
3. I've posted other former boxers who have criticized Canelo for the same thing.

Dismissed.

[Spicoli]

It was the Angulo crapola where I first opened my eyes to Canelos's -these are not the droids you're looking for- powers of manipulation.

I'm not ruling out a Plant rematch either . If/when he can uproot Scull. Can just see Canelo wanting that trinket back and then the barking of "multi time undisputed' begins.

I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.

The list is long:

Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales

Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.

SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.


Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.

Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.

Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.



But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.

You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.

No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.



Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.

I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.

You know what really sucks about it. Other than tying up the belts and division natural progression of course. It's that in a big way the lineage was broken by Canelo in this era. As far as top division "king" giving back or even passing it on at 160-168 etc. You can say Golovkin did that for Canelo, once twice at 160. Those are passing of the torch type division/era progress for Canelo but he just shut down shop once he went to 168 where a legit threat and "next" Benavidez was Rings #1 and was right there. David was literally #1 for 5 years as ol Canelo just worked around him like a kid sneaking back into the house after midnight trying not to wake up the parents. Belts smelts. The best guys got tired of waiting on the diva to sac up and sort it out for 168, win or lose or rematch. Tip toe thru the tulips Nelo.

I’ve said this before, I am not a Canelo fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, but we need a bit of perspective here.
Canelo is not an ATG, never will be be. He’s an ok World champion who has had a good career, but like most modern day sportsmen has been overhyped to make up for a general lack of quality.
He takes on as many challenges as any other top fighter past or present.
YES, HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ and that will always be a black mark against him. But in his 30’s a lot of other guys in the past have done the same if we’re being honest.
Canelo cannot be held responsible for holding belts to ransom. That is down to the governing body allowing it to happen.

Definitely with you on the first part but you wouldn't know it the way many go on about his standing and accomplishments. And something tells me once done he'll make way too many all time lists.

The takes on as many challenges as any others yeh maybe not. Crazy to think that at the exact same stage/age of 34 guys like Barrera were tangling with legit rivals and HOFs Morales, Marquez and Manny and guys like Rocky Juarez not once but twice as well as Ayala. Juan M Marquez is even more impressive...he'd go on to face Manny Pacquiao another 3 times, Barrera, Casamayor, Mayweather, Bradley and a pair with Juan Diaz. As well as 5,6,7 others at/post 34 yrs old. Canelo at 34 has taken fights anyone who is being straight knew he was heavily favored to win and is gently tip toing out the door.

[Primo Carnera]

Canelo is not an ATG, never will be be. He’s an ok World champion who has had a good career, but like most modern day sportsmen has been overhyped to make up for a general lack of quality.

The most accurate statement in your post.

He takes on as many challenges as any other top fighter past or present.

Totally DISAGREE. Define "challenges." To me, a challenge is taking on a fight where the outcome isn't predetermined by diva clauses, marination, undue advantages, or just plain cherry-picking.
NONE of the past Mexican champions I mentioned above EVER waited until the planets were aligned (or aligned them themselves) before taking on an opponent.
NONE of the past Mexican champions I mentioned above EVER tried to drain a cruiserweight 20 pounds to fight for a bogus cruiserweight "title."
NONE of the past Mexican champions I mentioned above made a habit out of fighting guys two weight divisions down.

Not to mention that the qualifier "any other top fighter past or present" is pretty damn far reaching. Hyperbole, anyone?
It that qualifier was true, then he wouldn't be just "an OK champion who has had a good career"... would he.

YES, HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ and that will always be a black mark against him.

Maybe to you, to me, and to 99% of the boxing world. Yet we have an example in this very forum where this shameful duck is (cough) "explained away" with some very twisted and far reaching (cough) "logic."
Canelo fandom will do the same... and in the annals of history, it will be glossed over as a simple (cough) "lack of opportunity"... or some other crock of shit like that.

Canelo cannot be held responsible for holding belts to ransom. That is down to the governing body allowing it to happen.

Totally disagree once again. It's not like Canelo is being FORCED to keep the belts in hiding while the white elephant in the room is right in his face. Canelo is only too happy to keep the belts, because he has always shown that trinket-collecting is of paramount importance to him. To exonerate Canelo is to coddle him once again (something he's obviously used to).

Are the governing bodies at fault also? Damn straight. But we all know what WBC really stands for, don't we? I mean... I've posted it numerous times.

WBC = We Blow Canelo (and are proud to say it)

1. We both agree on.
2. I don’t put Canelo anywhere near Morales or MAB in my ATG Mexican fighters. But if you look through their records, even they have some less than stellar names on there. Same goes for Chavez. It’s not realistic to expect any fighter to fight 50/50 classics against ATG’s every fight.
3. I don’t give a fuck about what other people think , I think he ducked Benavidez, so do you , so we agree, nothing else to be said.
4. “Canelo is only too happy to keep the belts” of course he is, it’s his livelihood, why should he give them up?
Who would say “do you know what, I’m not really doing this belt any justice, give it to someone else” ? Answer , Nobody.
It’s up to the governing bodies (of which there are too many) to take back ownership of the sport and say
“Either you fight Benavidez or give up the belts” and before @TIC says “what about Tom, Dick or Harry” same goes for them as well! Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[Primo Carnera]

HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ

do you also think canelo ducked william scull & david morrell?

Not necessarily. Because “in my opinion” Benavidez was the next best in the division, not Scull, not Morrell. So they shouldn’t be in the shake up for the fight , it should be Benavidez.
If Canelo fought and beat Benavidez, then one of them should be next off the rank.
If Benavidez fought and beat Canelo, Scull or Morrell should be in the shake up to challenge Benavidez for the title.
But we know that wouldn’t be the case, because there would be rematch clauses and other such bollocks.