Haney vs Garcia

[TitoFan]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure.

But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first.

Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.

A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.

Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.

But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.

He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.

[Ivan Zhelezo]

I apologize to Ryan Garcia. I was wrong

[Master]

That ended up being an entertaining contest but too scrappy and too much holding to be rated a classic.

Garcia left hook had immediate affect in the first round when it landed on Haney, whose eye’s went into orbit from the impact.

The power in Garcia left hook was the main difference as he knocked down poor Haney 3 times.
Devin was outboxing Ryan when he was not getting rocked and was ahead in the first half of the bout. Haney was slower and was less resistant against Garcia. Ryan fought in erratic bursts which confused Haney so much that he forgot about the dangerous left hook.

Those knockdowns will have an impact on Haney, and I hope he comes back but both fighters were huge at the weight which is normal for boxers nowadays.

I do not like Garcia, he missed the weight, acted like a brat and I hate his shoulder roll. It is poor and I blame Floyd for influencing boxers thinking they can use it. Garcia poor but highly rated trainer can not control Ryan, he is a law to himself and will implode.

[Master]

Judge Robin Taylor on the right seemed a bit too pro Ryan Garcia.

[Memphis]

A gross miscalculation by Haneys mob. No one has ever won a fight wearing Ugg boots.

Do Ryan and Danny have the same Daddy? Or did they get them both from the same we're 50 but think we're 20 Guido factory?

[Kirkland Laing]

Judge Robin Taylor on the right seemed a bit too pro Ryan Garcia.

Haney was the house fighter, the left side of the poster. If Garcia hadn't knocked him down three times they would have given it to Haney. The ref didn't count at least one legitimate knockdown and took a point away from Garcia when he should have just warned him. He gave Haney extra time to recover from knockdowns, didn't take a point for the endless holding and various other little moves that all helped Haney.

In the end they had to give it to Garcia though. There would have been a riot if they'd given it to Haney.

[Kirkland Laing]

The moment his soul left his body.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Makes up for this robbery

https://youtube.com/shorts/4OxefcsIG...jy06mORj2N4_jq

[Kirkland Laing]

That ended up being an entertaining contest but too scrappy and too much holding to be rated a classic. Garcia left hook had immediate affect in the first round when it landed on Haney, whose eye’s went into orbit from the impact. The power in Garcia left hook was the main difference as he knocked down poor Haney 3 times. Devin was outboxing Ryan when he was not getting rocked and was ahead in the first half of the bout. Haney was slower and was less resistant against Garcia. Ryan fought in erratic bursts which confused Haney so much that he forgot about the dangerous left hook. Those knockdowns will have an impact on Haney, and I hope he comes back but both fighters were huge at the weight which is normal for boxers nowadays. I do not like Garcia, he missed the weight, acted like a brat and I hate his shoulder roll. It is poor and I blame Floyd for influencing boxers thinking they can use it. Garcia poor but highly rated trainer can not control Ryan, he is a law to himself and will implode.

His shoulder roll is shocking. He has no idea what he's doing or why he should be doing it. I forgot to mention that.

[Kirkland Laing]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure.

But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first.

Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.

A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.

Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.

But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.

He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.

What leapfrogging? You can't complain that most top fighters would rather avoid each other, which is true, and then complain when one of them actually takes big fights. He's a top talent and very promotable. Promoters are going to be queuing to promote him and willing to put up the dollars required to get big fights. And he takes the fights. He fought Davis who a lot of top fighters are avoiding. And he's the best name on Davis's record, that fucker is still fighting second tier opposition thirty fights into his career. It's a shame Davis isn't doing a bit of leapfrogging isn't it. Then he fought Haney who is an unbeaten pound for pound guy. So he isn't being protected and he's taking the big fights when they can be made. We would all love it if all the top boxers did this.

If there's any fighter out there who could go the social media freak show route and pick up huge purses fighting guys he has no chance of losing against it's Garcia but he's taking the big fights so deserves some credit for that.

[TitoFan]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure.

But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first.

Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.

A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.

Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.

But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.

He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.

What leapfrogging? You can't complain that most top fighters would rather avoid each other, which is true, and then complain when one of them actually takes big fights. He's a top talent and very promotable. Promoters are going to be queuing to promote him and willing to put up the dollars required to get big fights. And he takes the fights. He fought Davis who a lot of top fighters are avoiding. And he's the best name on Davis's record, that fucker is still fighting second tier opposition thirty fights into his career. It's a shame Davis isn't doing a bit of leapfrogging isn't it. Then he fought Haney who is an unbeaten pound for pound guy. So he isn't being protected and he's taking the big fights when they can be made. We would all love it if all the top boxers did this.

If there's any fighter out there who could go the social media freak show route and pick up huge purses fighting guys he has no chance of losing against it's Garcia but he's taking the big fights so deserves some credit for that.

"Most top fighters would rather avoid each other" is a generalization I wouldn't be too comfortable making. Let's start with "top fighters." You mean quality fighters at or near the top of their divisions? Or you mean the box office draws that only casual fans know about? Because that distinction is important. If you're talking top draws, then yeah... maybe there's some high-profile names out there that "would rather avoid" other fighters. I can think of a certain redhead that excels at just that. If you're talking the former, then I think that generalization is a bit unfair. There are top fighters laboring at or near the top of their divisions, who have ALREADY taken on the best fighters out there.

"He takes the big fights." He got noticed with Luke Campbell... got knocked out by Davis... picked on an undersized Duarte who was making a jump from lightweight... and beat a Devin Haney who, let's face it... was likely a bit overrated. Do you consider this a lengthy resume? One constructed with good fight after good fight? Hey I get it... it's the 2020's. Instant gratification is where it's at. Have good looks and a massive social media account... will follow.

You won't see me defending Davis, who has all the talent in the world, but little to show for it.

But back to Ryan. He was wanting an exhibition against Pacquiao back when Pac shouldn't even have given him the time of day. He calls himself "The Face of Boxing." He wears a silly crown and calls himself King. King of what, exactly? I can probably mention a few things he's king of... but don't want to sound insensitive.

Let's be clear... I've never said he has no talent. My main point is he's bad for boxing.

[Denilson3.0]

I don't mean to brag but erm well.......



Also Devin ?



Think Devin might have to plead the 5th after Saturday on that one

I want to say that's it's good and a welcome change to see two young elite fighters IN THEIR PRIMES fighting. Ray Leonard was 25 and Hearns was 22 when they fought. Ray Leonard was 23 and Duran was 28 when they fought. Ali was 28 and Frazier 26 when they first fought. They were classics for a reason. They're in their primes !!! Stop ageing these fighters out till they are close to 40 and then getting it on and we have to watch Brook Vs Khan or Mayweather Vs Manny trash

Anyway gotta say Devin's response to the defeat has been class



And Bill Haney's response

“We turn losses into lessons and then turn them into blessings”​

Fair play to Bill here. They're chalking that shyt up and getting back in the lab and I gotta say Haney ain't got no quit in him. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy that'll be mentally broken by this loss. Haney is just cursed with inferior genetics. Mid chin, he has “keep you honest” power, but though he backed Garcia multiple times he can't crack and his defence failed him when he got caught by the main punch that’s outstanding in Garcia’s arsenal. Now everybody with good size will think they can just walk him down to get to his chin.

Devin is STILL a blue chip fighter, he's mix of Paulie Malignaggi and Amir khan but he's not great on the front foot. He needs to improve his counterpunching when it gets hectic and he has no idea how to defend himself on the inside other than by clinching. That worked for him when he was much heavier than his opponents, although even then it was barely enough against Loma.

But against a guy like Ryan who was at least his size if not bigger, it was disastrous. Haney was massive at 135 so when he was fighting smaller older guys with shorter arms. He was able to control range, jab, counter shots to the body. Grabbing and hold is much more effective when you're the stronger/longer dude. But the moment he fought a taller bigger man with just as much reach as him ? He was lost.

Far too often Haney tried to clinch against Ryan but couldn't do so quickly enough, and was wide open for Garcia's hook, uppercut and chopping right. And when he could clinch, Garcia made him pay for it by outwrestling him and making him carry his weight (on his neck), which is probably a big part of why he slowed down as the fight went on.

I also thought as soon as Ryan hurt Haney in the first round he needed to open and I truly believe he could have got Devin out of there in Rnd1 because Haney wasn't going anywhere. Haney for whatever reason was trying to catch and shoot. Unlike Tank, who wasn't bothered with that machismo, stand your ground stuff. Tank thought "You open up on me Ryan and I'm getting outta there and then I'll catch you on the way in" I didn't get why Ryan was giving Devin so much time and space.

But love him or hate him, Haney challenges himself in a way very few fighters do

And it has to be talked about

But when Ryan came in 3 lbs overweight I knew this was gonna be an issue. I think it was planned for him to not give a fk about making weight and come in as heavy and as strong as possible. Where as Devin actually made weight. We should be saluting Team Haney for even going along with the fight. I would say the vast majority of the athletes in combat sports are trying to be weight bullies. The whole idea of cutting weight originates from wrestlers who are trying to get down into a smaller weight class, so that they have a strength advantage. It's morphed over time into what we have today in boxing, wrestling, and MMA.

Boxing is becoming one big weight grift then again some would say Haney has weighed up to 160 in his fights so they don't feel much sympathy for someone who's had considerable size advantage in majority of his fights. So what happened on Saturday is justice to some because the three pounds were meaningless as Haney, typically rehydrates 20 plus pounds on fight night. Which means he probably weighed more than Garcia. What I've learned from this is that nobody really cares about anything other than the result at the end of the day. History only cares about who won and lost

But you only need to look at Ryan who fought Tank and the Ryan who Devin to see the difference.



Right pic looks like he was just liberated by the Allied Army. Emaciated looking.

Ryan is crazy and he can fight. They are not mutually exclusive things. He's not Ricardo Mayorga crazy but he is a bit crazy. Ryan has been putting in work in the boxing since a kid, kicking ass since the amateurs. Ppl be letting the social media fool them. Garcia is savage with them hands. He has one-hit KO power in his left and a stun gun in his right. Pair those with his good offensive reaction time and if he corrected his sloppy footwork, he'd be very tough to beat. Only way you can really stop him is if you yourself have lethal power and top notch defence (Tank).

He threw 11 jabs in the whole fight and I was told "the jab is most important punch" Imagine if Ryan dedicated his life to boxing like Haney ? He literally doesn’t even jab.......like at all, and still beat the former undisputed champ. Insane. Ryan is like the Deontay Wilder of the lightweights, except it’s his punch speed that catches everyone

[Kirkland Laing]

My main point is he's bad for boxing.

Boxing is being left behind by UFC and even now fucking youtubers and ancient old fighters. What's left is being atomised by the alphabet bodies and their multiple belts. Other than a massive Hispanic following in America it's dying a death, the non Hispanic fans are all middle aged or older. Anybody that brings any attention to the sport part of boxing is fantastic for boxing. Anything that attracts young fans, the social media generation and gets in the tabloids is great for boxing. You may not like this world and how it is now but this is how it is now. This is the world we live in. Even if he ends up fighting some of the freak show people, and he will because the money will be huge and there'll be zero risk, none of this is bad for boxing.

[TitoFan]

My main point is he's bad for boxing.

Boxing is being left behind by UFC and even now fucking youtubers and ancient old fighters. What's left is being atomised by the alphabet bodies and their multiple belts. Other than a massive Hispanic following in America it's dying a death, the non Hispanic fans are all middle aged or older. Anybody that brings any attention to the sport part of boxing is fantastic for boxing. Anything that attracts young fans, the social media generation and gets in the tabloids is great for boxing. You may not like this world and how it is now but this is how it is now. This is the world we live in. Even if he ends up fighting some of the freak show people, and he will because the money will be huge and there'll be zero risk, none of this is bad for boxing.

It's bad for those older fans you mention. Boxing's been around a hell of a lot longer than you or I. And it has survived all sorts of issues and problems that would've sunken any other sport. But all through the years, before the Ryans of the world, boxers came up the traditional way... earning their way to the top. They fought tooth and nail to get noticed. There was no adoring throngs of social media teenyboppers to fuel these artificial rises. You couldn't cash in one good fight into instant stardom, just cause you had a pretty face, called yourself king, and claimed you were something you were not. Actions had to preclude fame... not the other way around.

Now if you want to argue that it's good for the morphed shitbox they still call boxing... that's another story. Real boxing had its peak some decades ago. The real champs... the real fighters... the real fans. Now it's the freak show you aptly mentioned.

Of course boxing is being left behind by UFC. Who needs the rules of boxing? When you can pounce on your unconscious, prone opponent, and continue to beat the shit out of him. As far as the YouTubers and the "ancient old fighters"... it's another sign of the times. Taking shortcuts, instant gratification, taking the easy road, etc, etc.

So, as I define it, yeah... this freak show is bad for boxing.