Andre Ward DESERVED a Canelo fight!

[TIC]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? )

But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.

Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.

I fully agree with Primo on this point.

Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.

But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.

Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.

And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.

Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.

To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.

Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.

So yeah... GGG screwed up.

if only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked about

[Primo Carnera]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? )

But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.

Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.

I fully agree with Primo on this point.

Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.

But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.

Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.

And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.

Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.

To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.

Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.

So yeah... GGG screwed up.

if only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked about

Yeah but I think it was just talk.
As great a fighter as Dre was, he was prone to talking a bit of smack at times. When push comes to shove, there is now way on earth Ward would’ve made 164.
And at 168 it would’ve been a mismatch.

[TIC]

it might have been just talk but at the time a andre v ggg fight would have been more realistic than an andre v canelo fight. ggg fought around middleweight most of his career to that point. canelo was still a jr middleweight around twenty sixteen. an andre v ggg fight would have been better than sullivan barrera, alexander brand, dominic wade or kell brook as opponents

[TitoFan]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? )

But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.

Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.

I fully agree with Primo on this point.

Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.

But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.

Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.

And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.

Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.

To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.

Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.

So yeah... GGG screwed up.

if only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked about

Funny you should make Sergio out to be a ducker, when he was never accused of ducking anyone in his career that I know of. As I understand it, it was injuries that derailed a potential Sergio-GGG fight.

With Cotto, your statement is even more laughable. I've stated in the past that Cotto was never a bonafide MW. I didn't think much of his fight with Sergio himself. Cotto's ceiling was junior middle, while GGG was always middle. Why would they have met?

Besides, none of this has anything to do with GGG making dubious decisions with regard to the Cash Cow.

[TitoFan]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

Any figures to back that up?

You can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million

GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv

Thanks for posting the link. However, I've seen different figures in other articles. Here's one:

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-...kin-net-worth/


Here it says GGG made $8 million for his first Canelo fight, and $12 million for the second one.

Again... I'm not a fan of analyzing fighters' purses. As far as I'm concerned... after the first couple million... it's all enough wealth to live happily ever after.

So again I'll reiterate that GGG could've made a very good living even had he not groveled after Ginger like he did. Would've been better for his legacy, too.

GGG didn't need Ginger. He had already constructed a very good career as one of the best MW's of his generation.

But he got suckered into a series of unwinnable fights with Vegas' favorite son... and paid the price, particularly in the robbery of the first fight.

[Master]

Those figures Titofan are in stark contrast to YK but you can understand why GGG would make far more money in Canelo fights than multiple other opponents.

Money is priority then comes legacy but health trumps them all in a boxing career.

[TIC]

I've always been a huge GGG fan

if only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked about

Funny you should make Sergio out to be a ducker, when he was never accused of ducking anyone in his career that I know of.

With Cotto, your statement is even more laughable. I've stated in the past that Cotto was never a bonafide MW. Cotto's ceiling was junior middle, while GGG was always middle. Why would they have met?

Besides, none of this has anything to do with GGG making dubious decisions with regard to the Cash Cow.

if you were really this huge ggg fan you would be calling out all the middleweights that avoided him all the way back to felix sturm instead of the guy who actual fought him twice at middleweight

sergio clearly ducked ggg, did the fight happen? he wasn't injured enough for serhiy dzinziruk, darren barker, matthew macklin, julio cesar chavez jr or miguel cotto

the only thing laughable about miguel cotto is him quitting in a fight & his catchweights with the middleweight belt on the line. miguel was bonafide enough to fight for the linear middleweight belt, ggg was seen as the number one middleweight at the time, that's why they should have met. were you calling for miguel to fight his number one challenger at the time? doubt it

ggg was getting screwed around long before canelo got to middleweight, sergio & miguel ducking him are just two examples. maybe if they hadn't he would have been in a better position before canelo got there

[TitoFan]

I've always been a huge GGG fan

if only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked about

Funny you should make Sergio out to be a ducker, when he was never accused of ducking anyone in his career that I know of.

With Cotto, your statement is even more laughable. I've stated in the past that Cotto was never a bonafide MW. Cotto's ceiling was junior middle, while GGG was always middle. Why would they have met?

Besides, none of this has anything to do with GGG making dubious decisions with regard to the Cash Cow.

if you were really this huge ggg fan you would be calling out all the middleweights that avoided him all the way back to felix sturm instead of the guy who actual fought him twice at middleweight

sergio clearly ducked ggg, did the fight happen? he wasn't injured enough for serhiy dzinziruk, darren barker, matthew macklin, julio cesar chavez jr or miguel cotto

the only thing laughable about miguel cotto is him quitting in a fight & his catchweights with the middleweight belt on the line. miguel was bonafide enough to fight for the linear middleweight belt, ggg was seen as the number one middleweight at the time, that's why they should have met. were you calling for miguel to fight his number one challenger at the time? doubt it

ggg was getting screwed around long before canelo got to middleweight, sergio & miguel ducking him are just two examples. maybe if they hadn't he would have been in a better position before canelo got there

You're a hoot.

Did you NOT like the jeans with the Canelo kneepads I gave you on another thread?

This thread is about Canelo and Ward, as you like to point out in other threads.

So stick to topic, capiche?

My only point in this thread is that it sounds weird to say Ward deserved a Canelo fight... when in actuality it should be the other way around. Ward was always twice the boxer Canelo could ever dream of being.

[TIC]

master brought ggg into the thread & you were the one going on about how huge a ggg fan you were. i am staying on that topic chico bean. canelo would have knocked andre out. but andre knows he would have been the b side so he would have priced himself out of the fight

[Ron Swanson]

I would have been happy with Andre getting the GGG fight but GGG hid and lied

[TitoFan]

canelo would have knocked andre out.

Spoken like the Canelo fanboy you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Master]

canelo would have knocked andre out.

Spoken like the Canelo fanboy you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Tic must be joking. No one knocks out Ward.

[TitoFan]

canelo would have knocked andre out.

Spoken like the Canelo fanboy you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Tic must be joking. No one knocks out Ward.

Shhhhh.....

Don't burst his bubble.

[Primo Carnera]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

Any figures to back that up?

You can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million

GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv

Thanks for posting the link. However, I've seen different figures in other articles. Here's one:

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-...kin-net-worth/


Here it says GGG made $8 million for his first Canelo fight, and $12 million for the second one.

Again... I'm not a fan of analyzing fighters' purses. As far as I'm concerned... after the first couple million... it's all enough wealth to live happily ever after.

So again I'll reiterate that GGG could've made a very good living even had he not groveled after Ginger like he did. Would've been better for his legacy, too.

GGG didn't need Ginger. He had already constructed a very good career as one of the best MW's of his generation.

But he got suckered into a series of unwinnable fights with Vegas' favorite son... and paid the price, particularly in the robbery of the first fight.

There is no way on this earth that GGG got $22m for the first fight probably not any of the Canelo fights .

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?