Thread: Joe Calzaghe: Stop living off of Lacy

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by jangeorg

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by jangeorg

It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.



Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round

Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.

Lacy was overexposed. He was never an elite fighter, he was just whored to us because the networks and Everlast thought he was going to be the "Next Tyson". JC beat a nobody, and now everyone's on his nuts

I've never said this to anyone in a serious manner...said some pretty off the cuff things in humor...but in all seriousness: YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON.

Seriously...if this is all you can contribute to the forum...hate for Lacy...& mental images of Kessler's sack resting comfortably on your chin...I just don't see a use in your constant stupidity.

As a moderator...I apologize to my superiors & fellow members for that comment...but as a forum poster & member here...I stick to my guns.

You my friend are nothing more than a hater that is guided by blind stupidity. Lacy was a hell of a boxer...still can be...I want to hear you cry yourself to sleep everynight after Kess loses a fight...because he will.

No man is unbeatable...& not matter what you think: KESSLER ARE NOT KING OF 168LBS.

Thanks,retarded MORON

Originally Posted by wacko3205

It just disgusts me that Lacy was so promissing & that he was on the hot streak & that he was a hopeful & now he's dirt & Calzaghe's still nothing...it's just gotdam ridiculous.

When will it ever be enough for Joe Calzaghe?

He's gotta beat Jones, Hopkins, or who?

It's just bullshit. Unfair.

The same way that people get kudos for beating a fighter and soon after the fighter that was beaten is considered nobody. Happens.

i think its mostly Calzaghe fans trying to build up Calzaghe when it only makes him look worse

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

It just disgusts me that Lacy was so promissing & that he was on the hot streak & that he was a hopeful & now he's dirt & Calzaghe's still nothing...it's just gotdam ridiculous.

When will it ever be enough for Joe Calzaghe?

He's gotta beat Jones, Hopkins, or who?

It's just bullshit. Unfair.

The same way that people get kudos for beating a fighter and soon after the fighter that was beaten is considered nobody. Happens.

i think its mostly Calzaghe fans trying to build up Calzaghe when it only makes him look worse

The thing is...& I wish I could dig up me old DRBR on the fight (but I'm too involved in our many other spats to hunt it down ) because as I said then...it would boil down to Joe taking the power & that was that...that I saw them a both being able to win...but I leaned toward Lacy...then to Joe...then to Lacy...& blah blah blah.

Big fan of both...but honestly...I was glad that Joe won.

Originally Posted by jangeorg

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by jangeorg

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by jangeorg

It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.



Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round

Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.

Lacy was overexposed. He was never an elite fighter, he was just whored to us because the networks and Everlast thought he was going to be the "Next Tyson". JC beat a nobody, and now everyone's on his nuts

I've never said this to anyone in a serious manner...said some pretty off the cuff things in humor...but in all seriousness: YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON.

Seriously...if this is all you can contribute to the forum...hate for Lacy...& mental images of Kessler's sack resting comfortably on your chin...I just don't see a use in your constant stupidity.

As a moderator...I apologize to my superiors & fellow members for that comment...but as a forum poster & member here...I stick to my guns.

You my friend are nothing more than a hater that is guided by blind stupidity. Lacy was a hell of a boxer...still can be...I want to hear you cry yourself to sleep everynight after Kess loses a fight...because he will.

No man is unbeatable...& not matter what you think: KESSLER ARE NOT KING OF 168LBS.

Thanks,retarded MORON

Trust me babe...the feeling has been mutual from the floor up since the day you arrived.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

It just disgusts me that Lacy was so promissing & that he was on the hot streak & that he was a hopeful & now he's dirt & Calzaghe's still nothing...it's just gotdam ridiculous.

When will it ever be enough for Joe Calzaghe?

He's gotta beat Jones, Hopkins, or who?

It's just bullshit. Unfair.

The same way that people get kudos for beating a fighter and soon after the fighter that was beaten is considered nobody. Happens.

i think its mostly Calzaghe fans trying to build up Calzaghe when it only makes him look worse

The thing is...& I wish I could dig up me old DRBR on the fight (but I'm too involved in our many other spats to hunt it down ) because as I said then...it would boil down to Joe taking the power & that was that...that I saw them a both being able to win...but I leaned toward Lacy...then to Joe...then to Lacy...& blah blah blah.

Big fan of both...but honestly...I was glad that Joe won.

I thought Lacy would lose since the ringwalk. Honestly I expected Lacy to actually follow the gameplan of Birmingham but watching him do absolutely nothing as if he was expecting his power to bring him through he looked so predictable that night.

Anyway I gave Joe credit but I don't want to overrate the guy, we all remember how Guinn looked destroying Grant and defeating Dokiwari we've seen Joe look spectacular once, but before that we all had a reason he could lose against someone like Lacy, lets not forget why because those weaknesess didn't go away, Lacy just couldn't exploit them. Agree or half Agree or disagree?

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

It just disgusts me that Lacy was so promissing & that he was on the hot streak & that he was a hopeful & now he's dirt & Calzaghe's still nothing...it's just gotdam ridiculous.

When will it ever be enough for Joe Calzaghe?

He's gotta beat Jones, Hopkins, or who?

It's just bullshit. Unfair.

The same way that people get kudos for beating a fighter and soon after the fighter that was beaten is considered nobody. Happens.

i think its mostly Calzaghe fans trying to build up Calzaghe when it only makes him look worse

The thing is...& I wish I could dig up me old DRBR on the fight (but I'm too involved in our many other spats to hunt it down ) because as I said then...it would boil down to Joe taking the power & that was that...that I saw them a both being able to win...but I leaned toward Lacy...then to Joe...then to Lacy...& blah blah blah.

Big fan of both...but honestly...I was glad that Joe won.

I thought Lacy would lose since the ringwalk. Honestly I expected Lacy to actually follow the gameplan of Birmingham but watching him do absolutely nothing as if he was expecting his power to bring him through he looked so predictable that night.

Anyway I gave Joe credit but I don't want to overrate the guy, we all remember how Guinn looked destroying Grant and defeating Dokiwari we've seen Joe look spectacular once, but before that we all had a reason he could lose against someone like Lacy, lets not forget why because those weaknesess didn't go away, Lacy just couldn't exploit them. Agree or half Agree or disagree?

I think that everyone (U.S. stateside) has always underratted Joe based on the fact that they knew too little about him & his competition...what they were & how they performed before Joe got hold of them.

I think that Joe is everything that he appears to be. Always have always will. I don't base my respect off of Joe on the Lacy win...but it was the cherry on the sundae to destroy Lacy so easily...I mean...Lacy was not just some overratted chump...he was undefeated & he was a KO artist & that counts for much.

The fact that Joe took Jeff totally out of his game speaks leaps & bounds.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

It just disgusts me that Lacy was so promissing & that he was on the hot streak & that he was a hopeful & now he's dirt & Calzaghe's still nothing...it's just gotdam ridiculous.

When will it ever be enough for Joe Calzaghe?

He's gotta beat Jones, Hopkins, or who?

It's just bullshit. Unfair.

The same way that people get kudos for beating a fighter and soon after the fighter that was beaten is considered nobody. Happens.

i think its mostly Calzaghe fans trying to build up Calzaghe when it only makes him look worse

The thing is...& I wish I could dig up me old DRBR on the fight (but I'm too involved in our many other spats to hunt it down ) because as I said then...it would boil down to Joe taking the power & that was that...that I saw them a both being able to win...but I leaned toward Lacy...then to Joe...then to Lacy...& blah blah blah.

Big fan of both...but honestly...I was glad that Joe won.

I thought Lacy would lose since the ringwalk. Honestly I expected Lacy to actually follow the gameplan of Birmingham but watching him do absolutely nothing as if he was expecting his power to bring him through he looked so predictable that night.

Anyway I gave Joe credit but I don't want to overrate the guy, we all remember how Guinn looked destroying Grant and defeating Dokiwari we've seen Joe look spectacular once, but before that we all had a reason he could lose against someone like Lacy, lets not forget why because those weaknesess didn't go away, Lacy just couldn't exploit them. Agree or half Agree or disagree?

I think that everyone (U.S. stateside) has always underratted Joe based on the fact that they knew too little about him & his competition...what they were & how they performed before Joe got hold of them.

I think that Joe is everything that he appears to be. Always have always will. I don't base my respect off of Joe on the Lacy win...but it was the cherry on the sundae to destroy Lacy so easily...I mean...Lacy was not just some overratted chump...he was undefeated & he was a KO artist & that counts for much.

The fact that Joe took Jeff totally out of his game speaks leaps & bounds.

Do you agree that due to style that the gameplan of Joe could do that with the gameplan of Lacy given their styles?

Originally Posted by Majesty

Do you agree that due to style that the gameplan of Joe could do that with the gameplan of Lacy given their styles?

Sorry babe...I been boozin a bit.

Elaborate on the above statement...make it a bit easier for Wacko to interpret.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Majesty

Do you agree that due to style that the gameplan of Joe could do that with the gameplan of Lacy given their styles?

Sorry babe...I been boozin a bit.

Elaborate on the above statement...make it a bit easier for Wacko to interpret.

I meant that given the styles of Calzaghe and Lacy, is it possible that Calzaghe's style was one that took advantage of every one of Lacy's weaknesses and that the gameplan of Lacy(looking for one shot) was one that allowed Joe to do so?

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Majesty

Do you agree that due to style that the gameplan of Joe could do that with the gameplan of Lacy given their styles?

Sorry babe...I been boozin a bit.

Elaborate on the above statement...make it a bit easier for Wacko to interpret.

I meant that given the styles of Calzaghe and Lacy, is it possible that Calzaghe's style was one that took advantage of every one of Lacy's weaknesses and that the gameplan of Lacy(looking for one shot) was one that allowed Joe to do so?

Absolutely.

The thing is...it's Lacy's lack of defense & Joe's speed + volume.

Joe likes a "come to fighter"...& that's what Jeff is, was, & always shall be.

Robin Reid in is heyday arguably beat Joe Calzaghe on points.

Forget the Reid that many of you US guys saw against Lacy, a money-focused, under-trained shadow...

Reid kept landing that overhand left all night long i seem to recall and it was absolutely 50/50 at the death.

Once Reid lost, he was shutout completely for a rematch and then he had to go travelling to Italy and Germany etc to even get a paid fight.

Reid battered Sven Ottke and the CORRUPT judges in Germany gave it to Sven... after that Reid lost interest completely and thought 'i will get paid and get out'.

The point is, any threat to Joe Calzaghe is shunned by Frank Warren as all he want s to do is feed cadiva's to Joe so he looks good on TV. That is how Frank Warren operates, he strings his fighters along, feeding them bums and in turn he makes them rich.

Thats where Hatton and Calzaghe differ - Ricky wanted to genuinely fight the best and thus broke away from a seaminly 'water-tight' contract to pursue his dreams.

Immeadiately after, Joe Calzaghe came out publicly calling Hatton and his decision to quit Frank Warren's sports network - saying Warren gets the best opponents and he was the true legend in the UK !! Basically Joe was saving face about his own career.

Thats when the public started to turn against Joe - fighting light middle weights like Ashira - when genuine threats like Carl Froch and Kessler both said they would fight joe. Combined with the criticism of the fan-favourite Ricky Hatton - his stock sank low.

He was forced into a corner when Lacy called him out, said he was a fraud and that if he was scared to travel he would come to the UK to fight him - Joe Calzaghe shat himself and thought 'I have to fight this guy now'.

Then we had the usual calzaghe fight-postponement (hand). This enabled Warren to table a substantial offer to get Lacy over into the UK (to calm Joe's nerves a little more).

The truth is, Calzaghe is not only a gifted boxer, but is also a coward who doesn't chase down opponents - this is probably a result of the FW brainwashing system over the years (easy fights, look good & earn money).

Yes Joe beat Lacy - Joe rose to the occaision and Lacy was very poor.....

.... But the fact still remains that JOE AINT FOUGHT ANYONE and should stop feasting on his 'Lacy' meal ticket.



(Whether he'd beat the top guys ...is a different thread)

Originally Posted by jangeorg

It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.



Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round

Who still talks about it? Has Royal stolen you account? More Kessler fan boys talk about Jeff Lacy getting beaten than Calzaghe fans do... seriously, get over him...

Calzaghe 'are' probably going to be fighting Taylor/Wright/Jones or some one next year...

" I don't think he's making excuses when he says that he fought 20%...just compare his speed and everything that night to his previous 3 fights."

LOL!!! dasamm.

Lacy looked drained and slow because Calzaghe mayde him look slow! Calzaghe overhealmed him with puche's from all angels and made Lacy look slow and bad.
There is a big difference between a shot reid, williams and a half dead pemberton.

im a fan of calzaghe and i was shocked to see him destroy lacy but jangeorg is kinda right. calzaghe is living of lacy. why dont he prove he's one of the best by fighting some better fighters and stop talking about how he destroyed lacy. he should fight taylor or tarver and prove himself some more

Kessler, Andrade or someone his own size.