Thread: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Originally Posted by Lyle

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.

Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford

Originally Posted by Lyle

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.

Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford

Originally Posted by Lyle

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.

Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.

What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford

Originally Posted by Lyle

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.

Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.

What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off

Cottos done well, he may not have massive names on his resume, but hes still going strong, and doesn't look like retiring anytime soon, the point is of mayweathers legacy; hes only 29, not showing signs of age getting to him, u think herns, duran, lenard, hagler would talk about calling it a day in thier prime when there were alot of young bucks ocming through, some very good fights out there?

In years to come when people look back at this eara, and the fighters around, then there will be big questions on why mayweather didn't fight these guys and even bigger questions if they go on to do great things, and spark out people in better fashion than mayweather ever did. Great fighters are remeberd and will be remeberd for ending it without having any lose ends. Look at hopkins, he took the Taylor fight, he had his 20 defences, he cuda moved up after easterman, won and retired a 2 weight champion - but he took on the young buck, the next big thing at middle, sure he lost it. But he jsut about lost it, everyone knows hopkisn was way past his prime - and these are the things that people look back on and remeber about true greats, legends!

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford

Originally Posted by Lyle

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.

Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.

What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off

Cottos done well, he may not have massive names on his resume, but hes still going strong, and doesn't look like retiring anytime soon, the point is of mayweathers legacy; hes only 29, not showing signs of age getting to him, u think herns, duran, lenard, hagler would talk about calling it a day in thier prime when there were alot of young bucks ocming through, some very good fights out there?

In years to come when people look back at this eara, and the fighters around, then there will be big questions on why mayweather didn't fight these guys and even bigger questions if they go on to do great things, and spark out people in better fashion than mayweather ever did. Great fighters are remeberd and will be remeberd for ending it without having any lose ends. Look at hopkins, he took the Taylor fight, he had his 20 defences, he cuda moved up after easterman, won and retired a 2 weight champion - but he took on the young buck, the next big thing at middle, sure he lost it. But he jsut about lost it, everyone knows hopkisn was way past his prime - and these are the things that people look back on and remeber about true greats, legends!

You do make a very good point my friend. Floyd needs to beat these guys so there is never any question marks in the future. Them 2 and ODLH would make him a true GREAT, providing he beats them obviously.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Thank you, cc back

It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought

Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker

Okay so the ones that are highlighted, are the ones who are either at the wrong weight division now, or were retired or are no better than the rest of his previously opposed foes.

I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford

Originally Posted by Lyle

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.

Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.

What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off

Cottos done well, he may not have massive names on his resume, but hes still going strong, and doesn't look like retiring anytime soon, the point is of mayweathers legacy; hes only 29, not showing signs of age getting to him, u think herns, duran, lenard, hagler would talk about calling it a day in thier prime when there were alot of young bucks ocming through, some very good fights out there?

In years to come when people look back at this eara, and the fighters around, then there will be big questions on why mayweather didn't fight these guys and even bigger questions if they go on to do great things, and spark out people in better fashion than mayweather ever did. Great fighters are remeberd and will be remeberd for ending it without having any lose ends. Look at hopkins, he took the Taylor fight, he had his 20 defences, he cuda moved up after easterman, won and retired a 2 weight champion - but he took on the young buck, the next big thing at middle, sure he lost it. But he jsut about lost it, everyone knows hopkisn was way past his prime - and these are the things that people look back on and remeber about true greats, legends!

I'm with you on some of this...Lets break it down

Floyd-29

Margarito-28

Hatton-28

Cotto is- 26

They are all young right now so its not like its do or die anytime soon not LIKE THEY ALL HAVE TO FIGHT TOMORROW BEFORE THEY GET OLD...But dont forget the 3 guys have fights in the next month or so..Lets see how they fair before we play matchmaker cause we know stuff can change fast so Hatton, Margarito, Cotto have to worry about getting thru there next opponent before worrying about Floyd....Then we shall see

Originally Posted by cockey cockney

Hey Lyle who you pick if Leonard and Mayweather Jr faught at welter?

Sugar Ray because he could stand and trade our outbox Floyd.....Floyd can only try to outbox him.

I'd take Hearns over him, Duran at 130, JC Chavez at 140, and other greats over him too.

PBF is VERY good, but I don't think he's great yet. If he was to At least fight a De la Hoya, Mosley, or Wright I'd reconsider.

Wright can make 154 still so I don't think it's THAT big of a difference, Oscar and Shane moved up from where Floyd started!

As for matches with Cotto, Hatton, and Margarito

Those guys are at the top of their game right now and IF Floyd was able to fight them and win in good fashion unlike he did vs Baldomir then that shows people how great he is.

My problem with Floyd is not that he's arrogant or he decides to BOX instead of brawl....by all means box but there is a way to do it and look like a superstar a la Roy Jones Jr and there is a way to do it and not impress people.....you can't have people booing you if you're a great and in your prime!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Preme

after watching that fight i was shocked that he is considerd the number 1 pound for pound in the world, honestly. It was the first time is seen him fight a full fight, and; maybe it wasn't his best night, (yes he hurt his hand in round 6) but up untill then, he just looked like a Roy Jones Jr wanna be...

Yep. I pretty much hate Emmanuel Stewart,but he practially came right out and said that Floyd ain't no Roy Jones and never will be. Sayin Floyd can fire 2 punch combos and such, but Roy could fire TEN punch combos. Jones was THE MAN. PBF is the flavor of the month, and apparently according to Floyd, the months almost over.

I think if we just sit back patiently Mayweather will surprise us. Sooner or later he will grow up, see through his own foggy perception of greatness and realise that the measure is in the test.

Originally Posted by Lyle

As for matches with Cotto, Hatton, and Margarito

Those guys are at the top of their game right now and IF Floyd was able to fight them and win in good fashion unlike he did vs Baldomir then that shows people how great he is.

My problem with Floyd is not that he's arrogant or he decides to BOX instead of brawl....by all means box but there is a way to do it and look like a superstar a la Roy Jones Jr and there is a way to do it and not impress people.....you can't have people booing you if you're a great and in your prime!!!!!!

Lyle I'm not picking here but out of the 3 fighters you just mentioned the only one that has been stepping it up is Cotto the question I have is How good is Cotto's Chin at 147..I think out of 3 Cotto is the one that would give Floyd the most trouble if he can thrive at 147, after the quintana fight we will see how Miguel can deal with a bigger slick boxer...

By the time Margaburitto steps in the ring he will had been inactive for 10 months..Because The Boogie man to busy hiding behing the bushes scaring people and Bitchin how no ones to fight him..

I am not convinced that Margarito is gonna roll over Clottey, I think Clottey's gonna give him all he can handle..

Hatton moved back down in weight in an attempt to collect an alphabet title from a guy with 18 pro fights that no one really has heard of..Plus Ricky is fighting in the US were he cant wrestle, so if this kid is slick and can box Hattons in for a tough nite..

Things might very well change in the next month that will have us all scratching out heads....

Especially if Margarito loses, Floyd comes out of this looking very good

First of all, let me just say this, Margarito better watch out because if he's still huffing and puffing about this Mayweather fight and not taking this Clottey fight seriously, he WILL have a very rough night. Clottey is basically undefeated (he was up big when they DQ'ed him late against Baldy). Albeit, he doesn't have a bunch of names on his record, I've seen him fight and he's a tough customer.

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

I see what you are trying to say but come on. Look at Floyd's record and look at Aaron Pryor's record. How many fighters has Floyd fought over his 37 fight career with more than 5 losses on their record? 10. How many fighters did Aaron Pryor fight over his 40 fight career with more than 5 losses on their record? 24. I mean after Pryor beat Cervantes for the light welterweight title, he followed his win with a fight against a guy who had 20 losses on his record. If Floyd did that today, what would you all say? Granted, they fought a lot more often back then, but there should be no reason for an elite fighter to fight a guy with twenty losses on his record. If Pryor did that today people would call him a phony. I mean it's not like Mayweather just beating bums, he's DOMINATING legit world champions and he's moving one or two weight classes out of his natural boxing weight to do it. I don't understand your logic. It's not fair to Floyd to say he's not as good as Pryor.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Thank you, cc back

It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought

Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles

Oscar De la Hoya (Trying to make that fight happen)
Shane Mosley (Mosley was last at 135 in 1999 then jumped to 147 permanently, Mayweather began his campaign at 135 in 2002. BTW, HBO and Floyd wanted Mosley for this November fight but Shane wanted to "vacation" instead of take a big fight, why don't you say anything about Shane?)
Kostya Tszyu (Mayweather was looking to make that fight after Tszyu beat Hatton but we all saw what happened)
Ricky Hatton (Lord, Hatton has been running scared from Mayweather ever since he watched Floyd demolish Gatti in person, give me a break)
Miguel Cotto (Everyone knows that Arum ain't gonna let Cotto fight Floyd, Arum wants to build Cotto up to HUGE proportions, there's no way he's risking that by maybe testing Cotto to early)
Antonio Margarito (If Floyd wins, people will just say who has Tony beaten? Which is exactly a lot of people have already asked.)
Joel Casamayor (A hard hitting southpaw at 135, Floyd might have gotten out early before he HAD to fight Joel)
Acelino Frietas (So you are saying that Floyd demolishing Corrales doesn't mean shit but Corrales KTFO of Freitas, yeah, you're making TOTAL sense now.)
Jorge Barrios (So beating Genaro Hernandez and Angel Manfredy at 130, didn't mean shit, but this fight did?)
Vernon Forrest (What Mayweather was nowhere near 147 when Forrest was on top. And now that Forrest is back, he sucks.)
Ricardo Mayorga (Yeah, Floyd will get about as much credit as Oscar did, which after the bright lights had faded, was none.)
Winky Wright (The one fight on here that makes sense, but Floyd tried to make a fight with Winky and once again Winky started talking crazy with the money talk, he wanted 50-50, and Floyd wanted 55-45. Floyd's #1 P4P and stepping up to 154, I don't see how Winky should get 50-50)
Jesse James Leija (??)
Pernell Whittaker (He retired in 1999 and was already at 147)

Your list makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!!!

Originally Posted by albsur2006

First of all, let me just say this, Margarito better watch out because if he's still huffing and puffing about this Mayweather fight and not taking this Clottey fight seriously, he WILL have a very rough night. Clottey is basically undefeated (he was up big when they DQ'ed him late against Baldy). Albeit, he doesn't have a bunch of names on his record, I've seen him fight and he's a tough customer.

So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?

Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.

"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,

Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.

I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.


Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed

I see what you are trying to say but come on. Look at Floyd's record and look at Aaron Pryor's record. How many fighters has Floyd fought over his 37 fight career with more than 5 losses on their record? 10. How many fighters did Aaron Pryor fight over his 40 fight career with more than 5 losses on their record? 24. I mean after Pryor beat Cervantes for the light welterweight title, he followed his win with a fight against a guy who had 20 losses on his record. If Floyd did that today, what would you all say? Granted, they fought a lot more often back then, but there should be no reason for an elite fighter to fight a guy with twenty losses on his record. If Pryor did that today people would call him a phony. I mean it's not like Mayweather just beating bums, he's DOMINATING legit world champions and he's moving one or two weight classes out of his natural boxing weight to do it. I don't understand your logic. It's not fair to Floyd to say he's not as good as Pryor.

Oh he's as good. Just a different style of fighter. Pryor was a badass though. His constant pressure would give Floyd a lot of trouble. I could see him winning that fight as well at least winnin one or two in a trilogy of Mayweather-Pryor fights...