Thread: Erik Morales in Manila ...

first of if your any smart, pac signing two contracts with two of the biggest boxing promotion was a genious business deal. notice niether promotion is getting pac in to trouble they are kissing his ass to sign him, it was a genious move by pac, he basically played them like two sideline girlfriends, if you really know about business you'll think so too...see how at first top rank didn't act on wanting him that bad untill pac diplayed that goldenboy is willing to sign him, pac sign with goldenboy with the bonus of 500k, but then pac had top rank cough out 1mill(double) bonus just to keep him, it was a business move, a great one i should add. its you thats embarrassing talking out of your ass again. imagin two of the BIGGEST BOXING PROMOTION IS WANTING TO WORK FOR PAC, it is not pac that works for them, just like oscar dela hoya stated they are working for pac if pac needs them they are there despite what top rank says.

another thing since you are living there in the p.i...then how can you not get the fact that a guy like pac doesn't come around often...so why don't you just allow pac fans to enjoy him while he last, instead of talking out your ass and bashing everyone, notice you do not just say pac fans you say all pnoys, so you are either racist to your own people or have issues being one.

if you want to make a point about some pac fans being too extreme you should make sure your point is strickly directed at those extreme pac fans, that we both know are blind to the fact in over excitement to their hero pacman.

you have come here with no respect to members, you have basically accuse every pnoy blood, we have respectfull pnoy members here... the ones that are extreme blind to the facts pacfans don't stay around here, they are mostly rookies like you talking out of there ass, so basically your are one of them but the opposite oppinion.

last thing, yes my attitude is americanize yes i was brought up here in seattle, but i still in touch with my relatives in the pinas and lately i been back in fourt seattle to manila and back all over again. just cause i was brought up here don't mean i was never expose to life living there, i never said they aren't all smiles there, yea i did say hardship and poverty and that is facts but no they don't cry every night and shyt they are warm people that do get through, they are good people so even if they look like fools being pac biggest fan i let it slide because i can appreciate the fact that they are my people that don't have a hero like pac to cheer about often so i go on with my life and allow it. unlike you, your basically those fools you are calling but opposite oppinion. believe me you know nothing about pinas that i don't know too. but for sure you have no idea seeing both sides.

Don't worry brodda BoxingGod, I'm right beside you. Don't listen to this 'you're no pinoy' crap. I assure you vast, vast majority of Pinoy support you so keep on saying what you want. Keep defending our boy! and you'll be all right.

OK how exactly is signing 2 CONTRACTS at the SAME TIME a genius move? American boy, do you even know what a contract is? Do you have any idea what are the things bound in contracts? It is simply not about the money or the benefits involved. It is about the honoring agreement and being responsible to stay within that agreement. Pinoys are faithful in ways more than you can imagine. Thats why Manny is wrong for doing that. With you trying to rationalize what Manny did simply speaks of how much you are far apart from us true brown local Pinoys. You don't know anything man. Like what I have said you are from the outside looking in. You're too constricted. How can you justify a act that is simply wrong. Pinoys have values and faith and honor is one of the many valued.

Of course I get the fact that Manny is one of a kind, but do we need to flaunt him all to the world of how he is this and that with one tiny bit of activity that he does? Shiit it is no pathetic and downright embarrassing for people to be bragging one thing all the time. It gets old. You go youtube.com, to any dicussion communities that talk boxing there are pinoys who act a fool and embarrass the whole Pinoy nation with the genius. Manny is not the music to all people esp in the international.

Let the Manny talk lay down to rest once in a while and come back talking about him again if his fight is nearing or after but to find ways to make people talk of Manny like this Morales news in Manila is downright laughable to the extreme. Are there any other news coming of the Philippines other than Manny?

I have come respecting the rest but not attention whore pacfans who dont deserve any. What can I do if I get irked with these people talking senseless, trying to argue like they make sense? Hell to you its less humiliating cos you're American-Filipino perhaps. You can shrug it off with you double identity but for a true brown Pinoy, we can't just ignore that fact when people are talking bad of how the whole nation is rabid and all. Heck even HBO commentators stigmatize the local Pinoys. What do you know, you are american.

OK you are American Pinoy but I doubt you know any better. You can visit the PI but what you see are fronts not the reality thats at the back. You have seen things, talked to people, ate the food, but what you seen are fronts, american boy. From a context you are different and is watered down. You are probably Filipino in heritage but in essence you are more american

Originally Posted by MrB

OK how exactly is signing 2 CONTRACTS at the SAME TIME a genius move? American boy, do you even know what a contract is? Do you have any idea what are the things bound in contracts? It is simply not about the money or the benefits involved. It is about the honoring agreement and being responsible to stay within that agreement. Pinoys are faithful in ways more than you can imagine. Thats why Manny is wrong for doing that. With you trying to rationalize what Manny did simply speaks of how much you are far apart from us true brown local Pinoys. You don't know anything man. Like what I have said you are from the outside looking in. You're too constricted. How can you justify a act that is simply wrong. Pinoys have values and faith and honor is one of the many valued.

why are you back tracking first you bash not only pac extremes but you bash the whole pnoy people. but now your talking about pnoys values faith and honor your weird, you have no sense.

about contracts, they are like rules they get broken like rules too. its basically a agreement yes but boxing is as we all know currupt in ways, get the point? money makes the boxing world go round. simple enough?


Of course I get the fact that Manny is one of a kind, but do we need to flaunt him all to the world of how he is this and that with one tiny bit of activity that he does? Shiit it is no pathetic and downright embarrassing for people to be bragging one thing all the time. It gets old. You go youtube.com, to any dicussion communities that talk boxing there are pinoys who act a fool and embarrass the whole Pinoy nation with the genius. Manny is not the music to all people esp in the international.
[/quote] what do you expect? his not only a celebrity his a nationaly treasure of the p.i...ofcourse the news is gonna air him a lot, you wanna know why the news air him? because if people didn't want to hear about him we wouldnt hear a damn thing about him. and no we dont fluant him to the world, what do you know? you said yourself you ain't been nowhere outside pinas?i dont hear him ever on local seattle news, but yes he is flaunted in the boxing world, you wanna know why? because in the boxing world he is a star. get it now?


Let the Manny talk lay down to rest once in a while and come back talking about him again if his fight is nearing or after but to find ways to make people talk of Manny like this Morales news in Manila is downright laughable to the extreme. Are there any other news coming of the Philippines other than Manny?
[/quote] you if it werent for you, i myself wont be talking about pac on this forum or with anyone right now, you brought this whole pac pnoy hating, this is actually a eric morales topic. cant you see your the one not laying this pac talk lay down, this is the only topic talking about pac this whole week, and guess what? if it werent for you talking nosense i wouldn't be on this topic. yes there are news coming out of the pinas other then pac, i got pnoy channels about channels i barely hear about him on there. maybe you should look in to other news learn how to ignore, you will be less of a pain in the do-do whole.


I have come respecting the rest but not attention whore pacfans who dont deserve any. What can I do if I get irked with these people talking senseless, trying to argue like they make sense? Hell to you its less humiliating cos you're American-Filipino perhaps. You can shrug it off with you double identity but for a true brown Pinoy, we can't just ignore that fact when people are talking bad of how the whole nation is rabid and all. Heck even HBO commentators stigmatize the local Pinoys. What do you know, you are american.
[/quote] your a example of the ignorant wrong minded pnoy, you give them reasoning to have confident to speak of us, because your weak enough to worldwide bash your own people to surrender. the country will never get nowhere with the mind of yours. critizing your peeps instead of supporting and helping him improve to your ideas.

OK you are American Pinoy but I doubt you know any better. You can visit the PI but what you see are fronts not the reality thats at the back. You have seen things, talked to people, ate the food, but what you seen are fronts, american boy. From a context you are different and is watered down. You are probably Filipino in heritage but in essence you are more american
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i didn't just visit, it was a stay, i studied and learn, i saw salvages i saw rumbles i saw snatchers i saw starving i saw curruption, i saw smiles, i saw laughter i saw parties drinking i saw fesitivals i saw holidays i saw it all.

to be honest the only thing i didnt see, is a guy like you, who bashes your own people. sad i would of love to see you, if you really have guts to speak out your mind just not over a screen, but real live pride driven pnoy.

In case you didn't get it, I was CRITICISING (note the word criticize-is different from bashing) the fact that Pinoy posters are over confident of Manny. I was talking about the fact that Pinoy who join these kinds of communities embarrass the whole nation with their I-KNow-Im-Mr-Boxing-Genius-type of attitude and NOT the whole Pinoy nation that has NOTHING to do with this Internet mess. You have a way with twisting words, don't you?

So how does these people acting like senseless monkeys in the Internet and to those idiots who claim unbeleivable greatness with/o much thought translate to those in the real pinoy communities who just enjoy Manny in his fights w/o blabbering and acting up ? I was talking about the Internet monkeys who come around and messing up the whole Pinoy name.

Ok so contracts are bound to be broken. They're like rules. Haha you must be kidding me, how old are you? Let me tell you kid. Money is the name of the game but negotiations are made before the contract not AFTER the contract. I am 25. I dont know much but I am aware of my obligations with contracts any involved. It takes COMMON SENSE to understand the bounds of contracts. Manny didn't take that fact into consideration. Am I at a fault for pointing that out? Its a fact Manny acted like a simple minded money greedy monkey with what he did. Its a fact and thats the right way to do things. In your world though you seem to like to bend the wrong to make it seem right w/c is what? Oppotunism doesnt translate to the Pinoy values American boy. We do it the Pinoy way. We Honor contracts

I never surrender my own people, I surrender to the fact of dong wrong and trying to get it right. If I dont criticise and tell him for what it really is then the cycle of stupidity and emabrrassment continues. It has to stop and it takes alot to go about talking like this infront of people cos its never easy to be honest.

I can argue all of your distaste but we can never come into a mid point and agree. You are talking from an american point of view. I do ffrom a pinoy's view of things. Thats our difference thats why you will never understand the extent of embarrassment one can feel when a fellow goes around monkeying at people.

look what ever your point was, you ruined it with your choice of words...you talking about pac not honoring a contract, and then you go on bad mouthing, come on its not just about a contract or pnoy honor admit it you ain't got love for pac, maybe cause your not as succesful.

you talking about pnoy way get outta here, i spoke of the boxing world, believe me it ain't much different from the pnoy world, still money makes both world go round, you talk about honor pnoy honor pac is the one man whos bringing honor to our country and you talk about him like your the better man. get outta here with that b.s...the president gloria ain't doing a damn thing the past president erap gone done a dump thing go bash them, you'd get more support...whos we(are you talking about) do it the pnoy way the way your talking, what pnoy in their right mind would back you up? thiers only one message your sending worldwide....negative.

your right a cycle of stupidity continues....right when your mouth opens again. just cause im from here, don't make me less of a pnoy i speak both english and tagalog. and im fortunate enough to have the ability to be in both sides, look your whole focus is wrong you shouldnt criticise your peeps...pinas ain't lift of from corruption just cause of this kind of attitude, education is harsh and isn't as common there i know, so criticising isn't the solution homie...take your brother under your own arm if you want them to be less of a fool (or like you'd say internet monkeys), if not then just ignore him. criticising a fellow pnoy is the main reason US pnoys been stuck with decades of political bullshit, cause as quick as a politician is voted thats how quick our poor poverty stuck siblings get fooled. so help educate your brodda don't criticise him. we'd have a better country if so.

but heres my other point. them internet mokeys you talking about, they koo with me nothing personal let them be fools, if you want a change go settle him down cause his excited finally he got a hero to worldwide brag about. don't go bad mouthing catagories a foolish fan to all pnoys.

Whatever you pissed about I don't mind nor care. I speak of the truth. Manny messed up big time. I cant sugar coat the truth. Manny signed 2 contract w/c he for sure knew was wrong but he went ahead anyways. If pointing to a mistake is bad mouthing to you then so be it, I won't mind doing it again. Manny just showed ignorant he really is outside of the Boxing ring no matter how much money or lawyers whispering to his ears.

Kid you go around asking people if its alright to sign one contract and sign the next as you as you find out that the new offer is a better deal. An honest, level headed person would tell you the truth that it is bullcrap to sign another contract while still on one. Think of it this way:

You want to come home to the PI. You decided to sell of your things and properties. You were able to sell everything cars, furnitures, etc except for you house. I come around and agreed to buy your house at this price and this deal. Everything has been settled, you expect me to pay you at this date and time. You went ahead bought tickets, made plans etc. Then you suddenly found out I bought your neighbors house instead cos the I got the better deal and a lower price. Would you feel good about that? The sane man's response would be of course "NO".

I am telling you kid. There is a reason why people negotiate before they go ahead and do contracts. And again, just to reiterate negotiations are done BEFORE signing a contract not after-w/c obviously happened in Manny's case with Arum. Fuck that. Its very clear that was a dubious, b8tch move by Manny and it reflects to the Filipino name. Manny brought fame and glory for the country but he also brought the same amount of shame and shown stupidity with him reneging a contract that he agreed and signed.

If you think I invented corruption bcos of the fact that I come forward and tell of the truth then its you. I didn't create corruption and certainly pointing a mistake to make it right doesn't make me corrupt. You for trying to hide a wrong doing is corrupt. Am boy, opportunism (w/c Manny suprisingly learned) applies more to Americans like you than to local Pinoys like me.

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. What does criticism do? It simply does make people aware of certain things that escapes peoples consciousness. My point was simply to tell people "hey its time to stop the monkey business others aren't amused anymore." How can I ignore something thats directly affecting my name and reputation as a Filipino? Like what I have said the repercussion to you is different cos you have a double identity. You are American 1st, Filipino 2nd. While to us locals we take all the insults of being branded as dumb, stupid, ignorant. It probably is true. Others judge through the things they have seen and read.

US pinoys don't come back home for good cos to them money and material wealth is more important than living hard in their home roots. That's a fact, thats all and every reason that there is not because of any political b.s, or whatever silly reasons you may want to give. Alot of pinoys are shallow and materialistic. Its a shame. Alot of people sell themselves, even Manny.

but heres my other point. them internet mokeys you talking about, they koo with me nothing personal let them be fools, if you want a change go settle him down cause his excited finally he got a hero to worldwide brag about. don't go bad mouthing catagories a foolish fan to all pnoys.

Preach ! Fools lose nothing but how about the others who care ? They get dragged in this stupid mess simply because of a group internet monkeys who think with their butt instead of their head. Its a cycle I tell unless somebody like me makes them aware of the damage that they are doing.

being honest, i didn't read all what you just wrote i skim in to it quick...but im gonna make it simple for you, we are both pnoy where ever in the world we are staying, but bro you suck at being one.

you need a less aggressive criticism approach, you don't call your brotha a internet monkey, you don't speak of the truth and reveal the pathetic side of your brotha in front of a world wide forum, you take him and teach him in a positive way, that is if you really want any good change towards your idea.

you came off insulting and the wrong and negative criticisim not the positive way. that is your mistake.

about the pacs contract, you speak of pnoy ways in the pinas, and talk about im from here and i wont understand. no its like this, pac has adopted in to the americanize way, and he settle those contract with americans and he did it the american way to. what ever your point is it doesnt include pac, because pac like me is now american. you get it now? while your stuck there in the pinas, me and pac has adopted to the american way, and here its either you get played or you play another. about whatever your talking about, you can sound all honorable and pnoy way this that in the pinas and im not suppose to understand, but its you who doesnt understand, there is no trueth in what your talking about. your stuck in one world, me and pac sees both world so you have no idea what wrong and right is. it is to survive, its better pac sign two contract and get as much money of the two biggest promotion then get stuck like the other past pnoy boxer with a crooked promoter because he never adopted to the american way, because he was stuck loyal to the pnoy way, which should stay in the pinas. so dont speak of pac doing the wrong think, he did what a wild cat would do in the wild, he did was best for him he got more off of it and no it doesnt make him look like a fool, it is pac that made them two look foolish wanting him. plus there is no damage to pac, they are kissing his ass, its not like pac is getting sued for signing two contract, he basically just attracted more money into his wallet, whicn no other past pnoy has ever done because again they where stuck to what you claim to be the pnoy way in the pinas. so until you bring you ass outside the pinas you have no idea what your talking about with whatever includes outside ot my motherland.

i think we should start private messaging this, before the mod gets tired of this and remove it.

Pacman wasnt born and raised in America. Americanized? Funny thing cos the last time I heard about him on TV hes still talking like a local. Americanized are those who stayed in America for 6 months and come home trying hard to sound like someone with the twang. Pinoys are so off in so many ways... And being shallow and stupid at times are one of those offs

...and some pinoy have habits of putting down other pinoys.
IMO this habit is a real off.