Thread: Chavez would have killed Mayweather

Originally Posted by GOLDENBOY213

Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by boxman

I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch

Yeh pretty much exactly what i thought..Lol..Chanez beats a fair few names out there nowadays in my opinion..But not the great boxers and especially not floyd...

Sounds to me like you are underestimating chavez

Sounds to me like you've never seen Mayweather fight. J/K, but seriously you should know this match up spells trouble for JCC.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by boxman

I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch

Bang on the money there Ice Cold

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by boxman

I was watching some old Chavez footage and I gotta tell yall I had almost forgotten how tough that son of a bitch was. That guy had a rock for a head and his chin was out of this world. I am positive that his relentless style would have pounded Maywaether into defeat. I saw what Castillo did to Floyd. If JLC was able to do that to him just imagine what JCC would have done.

i disagree meldrick taylor was boxing chavez head off until he got stupid and brawled and whitaker gave chavez boxing lesson so how would chavez kill mayweather if he couldnt really land clean punch

Bang on the money there Ice Cold

thanks mate cc back

Man i ahte when people use words like 'killed' when talking about a possible fight:/

Originally Posted by Preme

Man i ahte when people use words like 'killed' when talking about a possible fight:/

The original poster does suck a little.

Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though.

While Mayweather's style would cause EVERYONE to have trouble with him there are some people that would give HIM trouble!

Chavez
Duran
Mosely
De la Hoya
Camacho
Pep
Sanchez
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Trinidad
Wright
Benitez

Originally Posted by pacfan

Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though.

well chavez was 28 when he was getting schooled vs meldrick taylor for first 11 rounds

Originally Posted by Lyle

While Mayweather's style would cause EVERYONE to have trouble with him there are some people that would give HIM trouble!

Chavez
Duran
Mosely
De la Hoya
Camacho
Pep
Sanchez
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Trinidad
Wright
Benitez

Well, most of these are all-time greats, and would give anyone trouble. Whitaker is a pretty big omission from your list. Especially considering that he may the closest comparison to Floyd other than Willie Pep.

Of those you listed, I actually think Hearns is the prototype for the type of fighter who could give Floyd trouble. Tall, long fighter with one punch KO power. Guys who need high volume to KO guys (Chavez for example) can't beat a fighter like Floyd because you can't hit him time after time.
Hearns could use his size to constantly keep Floyd within range, and potentially catch him with a straight right.
Trinidad also had one punch KO power, but his left hook wouldn't get to the target nearly as fast as Hearns' right hand.

Whittaker and Henry Armstrong as well would have given Floyd a VERY tough time.

Very true Sweet Pea....but I do believe the guys who had such high work rates could get to Floyd, especially those who can take a punch OR have the defense to avoid a lot of punches would upset PBF's style.

Remember Mayweather-Castillo....a brawler with a high workrate and a good chin really pressed Floyd and compared to Chavez, Castillo is a BUM

Originally Posted by glennf

Seeing as Mayweather virtually skipped the 140lb division it's hard to judge that one.
If Mayweather had of fought Tszyu we might have a better guide, I think Mayweather by decision in a close one. The Whitaker fight sways me considerably in favour of Mayweather.

how would PBF fighting Kostya be a better guide to if PBF could beat chavez

Originally Posted by Lyle

Remember Mayweather-Castillo....a brawler with a high workrate and a good chin really pressed Floyd and compared to Chavez, Castillo is a BUM

Yes Castillo gave him a tough fight. But one thing bothers me about bringing up Castillo. People here ALWAYS bring up Castillo when trying to build a case that some fighter can beat the 2007 version of Floyd, but that ignores the fact that Floyd is a very different fighter in 2007 than he was in 2002. His offensive game is much more well-rounded now than it was then, and his defense has continued to get better.
The Castillo fight loses more and more relevance with each passing year.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Whittaker and Henry Armstrong as well would have given Floyd a VERY tough time.

Very true Sweet Pea....but I do believe the guys who had such high work rates could get to Floyd, especially those who can take a punch OR have the defense to avoid a lot of punches would upset PBF's style.

Remember Mayweather-Castillo....a brawler with a high workrate and a good chin really pressed Floyd and compared to Chavez, Castillo is a BUM

yea he gave mayweather trouble in first fight but mayweather comfortably won rematch so there is no point bringing up castillo arguement

The point in bringing up Floyd's offense is that he lacks pop at 147....not to mention vs De la Hoya at 154!!!


Yes the REMATCH...Floyd was on his way to being Zab Judah in the first fight, he let the intangibles get to him and it seriously affected him. Remember this old dandy....

"...am I bleeding? Am I bleeding"

That right there shows you how affected Floyd can be when he doesn't have the chance to dance around and pot shot his opponent. When was the last time the aforementioned greats asked if they were bleeding or much less let it bother them

Castillo is brought up because he gave Floyd the toughest fight of his career and in the grand scheme of things Jose Luis Castillo is just a GOOD fighter.....he's not great....he's not spectacular.....he's not flashy.....he doesn't have the best speed, power, or chin......he just fought hard and it did very well vs Floyd and those greats fought EVERY fight like that!

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by pacfan

Chavez was unbeatable during his prime. All his losses came when he was past his prime, that is, after 30 years of age. If Mayweather got hard time with Castillo, what would have happened with prime Chavez? Common sense, folks, common sense - your guess is good as mine. But of course I'm not talking about the fanatics (btw, I'm one too ), cuz they're beyond reason, and nothing particularly unusual about that, though.

well chavez was 28 when he was getting schooled vs meldrick taylor for first 11 rounds

You might have a point there, son. Boxing ol' timers like me have to depend on his memory and they do fail sometimes... I'm not much concerned about Mayweathers skill, but I'm much concerned with his shaky chin. How would he fare against big punchers like Chavez... CC for you, kid...

All right, fellas, I'll give any of you CC's even if you disagree with me - AS LONG AS YOU TALK SENSE.