Thread: The 7th round "knockdown"

First, off all props to both fighters. Barrera showed he can still dig deep and Marquez indeed rocked Barrera and landed some flush shots in there. I do think the scoring was a disgrace though. An absolute shame. 118-109 is an awful verdict. Doesnt even come close. That was a very close fight that could have gone either way depending on how you viewed it.

The fight for me rested on that tremendous 7th round. Barrera was dominated and seriously in trouble and then from somewhere he produced a punch that put Marquez down. This was a clean punch that landed flush and Marquez went down and both gloves appeared to be touching the canvas. Barrera hovered over Marquez for what seemed like an age and then acted very rashly by delivering an uppercut that finally had Marquez on his back. Nady for some reason was extremely slow in intervening.

Nady immediately deducted a point from Barrera and ruled the knock down as a slip. Now can anyone inform me where this slip was? Marquez was hit flush and went down!! There was no slip! This made it a 10-8 round for Marquez when it shouldnt have been.

Though the decision clearly would have had no effect on the opiated officials scorecards, It sure does influence mine! Barrera would have edged that fight quite clearly if that knock down stood!!

I feel you. Fuck the judges and fuck blind Nady. Sorry for the language, but to see such a great fight tainted by terrible officiating and judging is unacceptable.

I'm guessing that the angle Nady was stood at it must have looked like Marquez throw the shot and went over because barrera dodged it and missed the shot....

but Nady did get ahold of Barrera's arm before he threw the shot but Barrera must have thought F*** it and threw the shot anyways



cant really blame Nady for taking the point off but i do think there should be an outside system in place for when the refs do miss stuff like this

I think the actual scorecards where off and I font' agree with them but I DO THINK thiat JMM won the fight it was a great WAR!!! and certainly fight of the year.......



The knockdown you know I think like Saddo, Nady was positioned in a bad angle and IMO, missed it as for the hitting while JMM weas dowbn I for a spluit second thaought MAB was gonna be disqualified as I saw Nabdy grab MABs arm then I reailesed he was gonna deduct a point only.... IMO I think like Saddo also that certainly Nady was there to try ans stopd MABs shot but MAB said fuck it I'll throw it anahyeas and see If I can get away with it.....

You know I won't let the contreversy spoil the fight for me (I also won't overlook it) but for tonight I'm feeliing really good with the happyu juice and I'll talk aboiut the political aspect of the fight maybe tomotrowoo dependignt on how I wake ip[l....

Should've been called a knockdown... Jay Nady just did'nt see it. And the deduction gave Juan Manuel some additional time to reccuperate. He was hurt by the punch. Good fight though.

I keep telling you guys that Nady should be kept away from big fights.

The moment is always too much for him and he continues to make his mark (not in a good way) on just about every big fight he's in.

That guy is a disgrace.

I think the actual scorecards where off and I font' agree with them but I DO THINK thiat JMM won the fight it was a great WAR!!! and certainly fight of the year....... CUTMEMICK

I feel the same way. Marqeuz won the fight and it was pissing me off that Lederman had so many rounds for Barrera. However, when the scores were read I was not happy that so many rounds were for Marquez.

Still, the correct arm was raised in victory and so I am content.

As far as the knockdown goes, the foul made me feel no sorrow for Barrera. He was desperate by rounds end and it showed.

It's a legit knockdown and if Nady stepped in real quick the punch MAB threw would not have happened. It's his momentum and i thought he was really trying to pull but there's no one stopping him. But my pick was right, JMM did won a close fight. Not that close on the scorecards though. Marquez threw and hit with more authority and can't wait to see him and Pac do it again one more time. A helluva match, but Pac beat a relatively unknown Solis(Undefeated, manny what are you thinking) to make this match more and more exciting. Barrera, IMO must hang up those gloves as he has provided us with some of the best matches we'll ever see and it's time to move on.

The round could realistically have been a 10-7 round for Marquez with Nady's fuck up.

He had been dominating the round big time up to that point which could have made it a 10-8, then with the point deduction and the 'no knockdown' call, that could have made it 10-7.



How a world class referee doesn't see that shot is beyond me, blindsided or not - christ he should have HEARD the punch at least.

That ref was a bozo...Marquez was knocked down. Marquez also should have lost a point for low blow ...he got warned like 3 times.I actually think Barrera won that fight, maybe a split decision either way..but those scorecards were ridiculous.

I think Nady overall is a very good referee. The only real controversy he had before tonight was the Judah-Tszyu incident, and I think in that case he was simply protecting a fighter who was badly hurt. The only reason that call became a big deal was because Judah threw a temper tantrum.

Although, I have to say, this is now the 2nd time that Nady has missed a knockdown. He refereed the second Morales- Barrera fight, and in that fight Morales floored Barrera with a body shot, but Nady ruled that it was a slip.
Although it should be pointed out that in that fight and tonight's fight, the point for a knockdown wouldn't have made a difference in the judges' decision.

The referee was only part of the story. You add Nady's incompetence to the judges INSANE scoring...you have a slap in the face to a great champion like Barrera.

Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I think the actual scorecards where off and I font' agree with them but I DO THINK thiat JMM won the fight it was a great WAR!!! and certainly fight of the year....... CUTMEMICK

I feel the same way. Marqeuz won the fight and it was pissing me off that Lederman had so many rounds for Barrera. However, when the scores were read I was not happy that so many rounds were for Marquez.

Still, the correct arm was raised in victory and so I am content.

As far as the knockdown goes, the foul made me feel no sorrow for Barrera. He was desperate by rounds end and it showed.

CC#278 bOXING gorrilla......
Yeah! man it was afuilll on war here at muy house froends and family were all rooting for both fighters.... mY ucnles who half wrer roootning for MAB and kpet applaudingg and standing up whenevrt they showed Ledermans scorecard I kept telling them just cause Lederman is scoinrg it that way thats no the way theyt fight wa going......
I was sooo spissed tooo I mean surely if Lederman can have the fight scored that way for MAB then why are peiplo making it a big ass issue with the way the judges scored it?
aGAIN BEEN drinki ng and for htonoihhgt I sae JMM win the fight he was cdrtainly busy throwingf combos putting pucnes together and IMO certianly got het best when they trasded shots....
I'll whagttcht the fight ahsaind tomoroiww and I'll score it soberrr.....

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I think the actual scorecards where off and I font' agree with them but I DO THINK thiat JMM won the fight it was a great WAR!!! and certainly fight of the year.......



The knockdown you know I think like Saddo, Nady was positioned in a bad angle and IMO, missed it as for the hitting while JMM weas dowbn I for a spluit second thaought MAB was gonna be disqualified as I saw Nabdy grab MABs arm then I reailesed he was gonna deduct a point only.... IMO I think like Saddo also that certainly Nady was there to try ans stopd MABs shot but MAB said F*** it I'll throw it anahyeas and see If I can get away with it.....

You know I won't let the contreversy spoil the fight for me (I also won't overlook it) but for tonight I'm feeliing really good with the happyu juice and I'll talk aboiut the political aspect of the fight maybe tomotrowoo dependignt on how I wake ip[l....

i am CC'ing for being so fucking leatherd - damn u was hiting the sauce last night! i just had flash backs of being so drunk and trying to type, one eye closed to try and focus better and all that, hitting 7 keys at the same time

Originally Posted by Saddo

I'm guessing that the angle Nady was stood at it must have looked like Marquez throw the shot and went over because barrera dodged it and missed the shot....

but Nady did get ahold of Barrera's arm before he threw the shot but Barrera must have thought F*** it and threw the shot anyways



cant really blame Nady for taking the point off but i do think there should be an outside system in place for when the refs do miss stuff like this

i blame Nady for not calling anything at all.. that made mab want to punch jmm since there was no knockdown called and nady was no where to be found...