Thread: Top 50 Super Middleweight

The more I look at the list the more things I disagree with....

I rank Inkin higher then both Froch & Bute.... yet on this list Bute is #5, Froch #7 and Inkin #8 below them.....

Elephant Beer ask HR to list the fighters that both Froch & Bute fought that are more reputable then these 2 that Inkin has fought; Julio C. Vasquez & Mario Veit.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Fenster

How can Bute rank ahead of Froch?

By having fought the better opposition, even with less fights and years as a pro? Or maybe just because ppl use their eyes and think he's a better fighter. Take your pick, really... I don't see why he shouldn't be ahead of Froch though.

See above..... for my

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Fenster

How can Bute rank ahead of Froch?

By having fought the better opposition, even with less fights and years as a pro? Or maybe just because ppl use their eyes and think he's a better fighter. Take your pick, really... I don't see why he shouldn't be ahead of Froch though.

Who's he fought thats better than Brian Magee?

Froch just took out a fighter in 2 rounds that took Bute the distance.

Very early stoppage

Originally Posted by Elephant Beer

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Fenster

How can Bute rank ahead of Froch?

By having fought the better opposition, even with less fights and years as a pro? Or maybe just because ppl use their eyes and think he's a better fighter. Take your pick, really... I don't see why he shouldn't be ahead of Froch though.

Who's he fought thats better than Brian Magee?

Froch just took out a fighter in 2 rounds that took Bute the distance.

Very early stoppage

Yes cause Tatevosyan really kicked up a fuss as the ref SAVED him

"fuck this for a game of soldiers" was written all over Tatevosyan's face.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Elephant Beer

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Fenster

How can Bute rank ahead of Froch?

By having fought the better opposition, even with less fights and years as a pro? Or maybe just because ppl use their eyes and think he's a better fighter. Take your pick, really... I don't see why he shouldn't be ahead of Froch though.

Who's he fought thats better than Brian Magee?

Froch just took out a fighter in 2 rounds that took Bute the distance.

Very early stoppage

Yes cause Tatevosyan really kicked up a fuss as the ref SAVED him

"F*** this for a game of soldiers" was written all over Tatevosyan's face.

Tatevosyan or however it's spelled, took the Froch fight after losing to Bute just 2 months ago... So he took him the distance, he didn't win a single round though, and he also took Howard Eastman the distance a few years back. I haven't seen Froch KO him though, so I will hold judgement there.. As far as who he's fought that's better than Magee.. Well, Bute stopped Karambey Salem, who took Calzaghe the distance and even dropped him, and Joe couldn't return the favour. Salem also went the distance with Mario Veit(a SD loss), Antwun Echols, and Eric Harding...Salem has fought on a completely different plane than Magee. I don't think you could argue that he's the tougher opponent. Bute only turned pro in 2004 keep in mind.. And he's already built up a very solid resume for his experience. I suppose on paper theres nothing to seperate Froch and Bute. I can easily say I think Bute is a better fighter with a brighter future though. Guess will just see what happens for both men. Certainly nothing wrong with Bute being 2 spots ahead of him..

p4pking & Fens..... Say as you will but theres no way Froch & Bute should be listed above Inkin....

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

The more I look at the list the more things I disagree with....

I rank Inkin higher then both Froch & Bute.... yet on this list Bute is #5, Froch #7 and Inkin #8 below them.....

Elephant Beer ask HR to list the fighters that both Froch & Bute fought that are more reputable then these 2 that Inkin has fought; Julio C. Vasquez & Mario Veit.

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

p4pking & Fens..... Say as you will but theres no way Froch & Bute should be listed above Inkin....

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

The more I look at the list the more things I disagree with....

I rank Inkin higher then both Froch & Bute.... yet on this list Bute is #5, Froch #7 and Inkin #8 below them.....

Elephant Beer ask HR to list the fighters that both Froch & Bute fought that are more reputable then these 2 that Inkin has fought; Julio C. Vasquez & Mario Veit.

Why not? THe only name Inkin has on his resume is Mario Veit.. Not to say that isn't a great win for a prospect... But Inkin, like Froch is already almost 30 and has been pro since 2001... Why hasn't he fought tougher opponents sooner? He certainly isn't clearly ahead of Froch or Bute on paper.. I haven't seen that much of him though so I can't argue if you think he's a better talent. Certainly it isn't clear cut that he should be ranked ahead of those 2 though.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Why not? THe only name Inkin has on his resume is Mario Veit.. Not to say that isn't a great win for a prospect...

So former World Champ. Julio C. Vasquez and conqueror of Winky means nothing?
OK, thats fine if you won't accept Vasquez as reputable so then on the Veit win alone he should be ranked higher as he has fought the better opposition....
Isn't that the way rankings go?
I'm ranked higher then you cause I fought and beat a better opponent then any that you have beat. Thats the way it works....

Originally Posted by p4pking

But Inkin, like Froch is already almost 30 and has been pro since 2001... Why hasn't he fought tougher opponents sooner?

Well once you get into those things you opne a whole new can of warms... Promoters, Management, Organizations etc. etc. etc.
The fact is Inkin has fought better opposition if you think otherwise then list more reputable names then Vasquez & Veit......

Originally Posted by p4pking

He certainly isn't clearly ahead of Froch or Bute on paper.. I haven't seen that much of him though so I can't argue if you think he's a better talent. Certainly it isn't clear cut that he should be ranked ahead of those 2 though.

To me it is and I read on a site that Froch might be facing Inkin which I think is great....
I really like both guys and I think would make for a really good matchup....

Credit: Hr

Super Middleweight

1. Mikkel Kessler - Undefeated (WBA, WBC titles(champ or superchamp or whatever)
2. Joe Calzaghe - Undefeated (WBO title)
3. Anthony Mundine - beat by Kessler
4. Librado Andrade - beat by Kessler
5. Lucien Bute - Undefeated
6. Alejandro Berrio - (IBF title)
7. Carl Froch - Undefeated
8. Denis Inkin - Undefeated
9. Robert Stieglitz - beat by Berrio
10. Sakio Bika - beat by Calzaghe
11. Jean Paul Mendy - Undefeated
12. Anthony Hanshaw - Undefeated
13. Allan Green - Beat by Miranda
14. Markus Beyer - Beat by Kessler
15. Mario Veit - Beat by Calzaghe
16. Jeff Lacy - Beat by Calzaghe
17. Vitali Tsypko - Beat by Lacy
18. Jürgen Brähmer - Beat by Veit
19. David Gogiya - Beat by Tatevosyan
20. Victor Oganov - Undefeated


Who is HR?

Winky lost at Welterweight to 5'8 Vasquez... in 1994 before he created 'Fortress Winky'

(searched boxrec for that :P )

And also when he fought Inkin, Vasquez had lost 3 of 4 previous fights and was 10 years later.

I will agree though Mick - Inkin is a badass boxer and does rank ahead of Froch & Bute.

For starters he has the WBC inter belt i believe and he also blew out Mger Mkertian in like 2 rounds aswell!

Originally Posted by G0MEZ

Winky lost at Welterweight to 5'8 Vasquez... in 1994 before he created 'Fortress Winky'

(searched boxrec for that :P )

And also when he fought Inkin, Vasquez had lost 3 of 4 previous fights and was 10 years later.

Oh! yeah! no doubt on that but his name is credible and he continues to fight and he continues to win...

Originally Posted by G0MEZ

I will agree though Mick - Inkin is a badass boxer and does rank ahead of Froch & Bute.

For starters he has the WBC inter belt i believe and he also blew out Mger Mkertian in like 2 rounds aswell!

G0MEZ,
Please tell me the chances of Inkin vs. Froch look good.

Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber

Say what you will about Manfredol, but in all honesty, I'm pretty sure he'd put a good azz whipping on anyone not named Kessler or Calzaghe, and yes, that includes Mundine et al.

And a healthy Lacy is still legit top-5.

yeah lol lacy would fucking walk through buyer and veit inside 3 rounds imo! i would have lacy at number 3 tbh

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Elephant Beer

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Fenster

How can Bute rank ahead of Froch?

By having fought the better opposition, even with less fights and years as a pro? Or maybe just because ppl use their eyes and think he's a better fighter. Take your pick, really... I don't see why he shouldn't be ahead of Froch though.

Who's he fought thats better than Brian Magee?

Froch just took out a fighter in 2 rounds that took Bute the distance.

Very early stoppage

Yes cause Tatevosyan really kicked up a fuss as the ref SAVED him

"F*** this for a game of soldiers" was written all over Tatevosyan's face.

Tatevosyan or however it's spelled, took the Froch fight after losing to Bute just 2 months ago... So he took him the distance, he didn't win a single round though, and he also took Howard Eastman the distance a few years back. I haven't seen Froch KO him though, so I will hold judgement there.. As far as who he's fought that's better than Magee.. Well, Bute stopped Karambey Salem, who took Calzaghe the distance and even dropped him, and Joe couldn't return the favour. Salem also went the distance with Mario Veit(a SD loss), Antwun Echols, and Eric Harding...Salem has fought on a completely different plane than Magee. I don't think you could argue that he's the tougher opponent. Bute only turned pro in 2004 keep in mind.. And he's already built up a very solid resume for his experience. I suppose on paper theres nothing to seperate Froch and Bute. I can easily say I think Bute is a better fighter with a brighter future though. Guess will just see what happens for both men. Certainly nothing wrong with Bute being 2 spots ahead of him..

So the fact that Tatevosyan had never been stopped even though he's mixed with world class fighters like Eastman, Froch beating him inside 6 minutes is bloody good form.

There's not much to seperate Froch and Bute on paper but Froch dispatched with their one common opponent in a far more impressive fashion, which must bode well for him to be ranked above Bute, no?

Calzaghe dropped Salem in the 12th (it was nothing)

Barring Calzaghe I'd put Salem's form losing to Veit and Echols on a par with Magee losing to Reid and Tsypko, so not really much in it...I'll concede though that fighting and dropping Calzaghe puts him slightly ahead

G0MEZ,
Please tell me the chances of Inkin vs. Froch look good.


very very very good.

u have inkin footage?

I would put Mads Larsen on the list somewhere around 25. He is back in business now under German manager Wilfried Sauerland ( I think that is the name),

Mads got pissed at his Danish promoter Palle after he was endured because the promotor got Kessler approved to fight Manny Siaca instead of Mads Larsen, for the WBA title in November 2004.

Mads Larsen is back to get even so he is highly motivated to kick some a**. But there is no way Kessler is gonna fight him due to the very poor relation Larsen have with promotor Palle

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=5415

Originally Posted by G0MEZ

G0MEZ,
Please tell me the chances of Inkin vs. Froch look good.


very very very good.

u have inkin footage?

Yeessssss!
Nooooooo!
I've only seen his fights on the net I'm not home at the moment so I don't know of the top of my head the name of the site I saw the footage but I'm pretty sure I wrote it down somewhere (I hope)
Thanks for the response....