Thread: Can someone evaluate Floyds Record...

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Casamayor,Freitas,Spadafora,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto,Mar garito,these are just some of the guys that Floyd could have fought. Granted,it's not always been his fault but to look at his resume and say the guy is a legend or an ATG,is ridiculous. And for him to mention his own name in same breath as SRR,Ali etc is embaressing.


Carlos Baldomir . Decent fighter but a beltholder not a champion exposed at the top level . 12 Losses

Zab Judah , well and truly exposed at the top level . Another fight in which the supposed best fighter in the world SHOWED OUT . coming off a loss .

Sharmba Mittchell , simply washed up destroyed in 3 rounds by Kostya Tszyu and had 1 fight at Welterweight. Knocked out before and after the Floyd fight .

Arturo Gatti , good fighter but completely exposed at the top level a fighter described by Mayweather himself as a C CLASS FIGHTER .

Henry Bruseles, a fighter who in his previous fight had drawn with Ener Julio the same Ener Julio who lost to Jawiad Khaliq

DeMarcus Corley , typical Mayweather fighting another fighter coming off a loss, Corley rocks Mayweather badly against the ropes . Corley since destroyed by Cotto and outbored by Junior Witter

Philip N'dou, a fighter knocked out by Anthony Cambell in 3 rounds and who had prepared for Mayweather by fighting Alex Moon.

Victoriano Sosa , a fight in which Mayweather avoided punches by getting on his bike and almost legging it out the ring . Sosa was then destroyed by Cotto in 4 . A fighter who had lost to Paul Spadofora and prepared for Mayweather with a fight against somebody with an 19-19 record managed a draw against an ancient Lamar Murphy

Jose Luis Castillio 1and2 , these 2 fights exposed Mayweather for what he is a fighter who shows out complains alot when things dont go his own way !! Mayweather won the fight by skating round the ring whilst JCC pursed . Unfortunately JCC didnt have the speed of foot to keep up .

Jesus Chavez , good fighter but slow taylor made for him no real power slow feet and easy to hit .

Carlos Hernandez , busy tough and strong but not world class . Slow easy to hit

Although I don't agree with some of your wording Gordy,that's a good post. You havent lied,I don't see any great names there apart from the obvious. No doubt about it,PBF is superbly talented but he has NOT fought as many great fighters as he could have and if he retires after beating Oscar,NO WAY is he an all time great.No way.

You say Sosa got beat by Spadafora like its a horrible thing, assuming thats the case, why are you saying Floyd should have fought Spadafora?

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Casamayor,Freitas,Spadafora,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto,Mar garito,these are just some of the guys that Floyd could have fought.

Hatton and Cotto have shown no interest in fighting Mayweather to this point. Margarito has done nothing to prove he was more worthy of an opponent than Baldomir, who was the recognized WW champ.
With Tszyu, there were major contractual issues (HBO-Showtime). Casamayor and Freitas would have been interesting opponents, I'll grant that. Spadafora would've gotten his ass kicked.

Granted,it's not always been his fault but to look at his resume and say the guy is a legend or an ATG,is ridiculous. And for him to mention his own name in same breath as SRR,Ali etc is embaressing.

But what he says, (ridiculous or not) has nothing to do with his status in the sport of boxing!!
This is a big pet peeve of mine.
When people start their anti-Floyd post, they never go more than a sentence or two without complaining about what Floyd "says."
What Floyd talks about or brags about has nothing to do with what he does in the ring. Just because he's not likeable doesn't make him any more or less of a boxer. Just like the fact that Shane Mosley is a nice guy doesn't make him a better boxer.
Evaluate Floyd by what he does in the ring, because that's all that matters. And I'm not attacking you personally, because there are plenty of posters who do this as well.

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Originally Posted by glennf

Floyd's record is fine at 135, he fought the best and won in that division. My beef is Tszyu was around in 02 and 03 and surely a match up could have been made. Tszyu dominated the 140lb division for nearly ten years and Mayweather didn't take up the challenge. Hatton beats Tszyu in 05 and again where is Mayweather? He fights Gatti and Mitchell who in their day were very good but by the time he gets to them they are finished! It's a good resume but not a great one yet! He still has some work to do before his legacy is set in stone. Cotto, Hatton, Mosley, Margarito, Williams the list is strong.

I see it like this...Hatton has looked extra sloppy in his last 2 fights(which he has publicly admitted).So he has definitely lost some steam.
Mosley had one good fight...and now everyone is ready to throw his name in there after just one fight?
Margo is fighting Williams so one will lose a top ranking and a chance at the top level(Floyd).
So what you are saying is that a fight with Cotto and Hatton will cement Floyds legacyI didnt think a 28year old and an out of shape slugger had that much affect on Floyds legacy.

I will clarify the statement, I think he missed a great opportunity to fight and beat a future hall of famer in Tszyu who was the 140lb king for a long time. Secondly he needs to unify the 147lb belt and that means beating Hatton and Cotto, they are both unbeaten currently and Mosley's overall record and recent performances entitle him to a shot at Mayweather. I think you are selling Hatton and Cotto a bit short here.

The thing I don't get, Floyd is 29. Or maybe he just turned 30, I think he did. Anyways, aside from DLH who was fighting Brehdal and Paez in his 11th and 12th fights, how many have better resumes then Floyd? I mean he absolutely wiped up 135 and aside from a few names that really had no chance of happening because of a bunch of different reasons. And the Corrales fight was huge.

And people talk about him avoiding Margarito, Cotto, Hatton and Mosley. Well all those guys with the exception of Margarito are just now calling out Mayweather. And Margarito was bipassed for Baldomir who would still the linear champ in all likelyhood if Floyd didn't pick him. The point is there is still time for all those fights and I think all have a very good chance of happening especially Mosley.

Originally Posted by glennf

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Originally Posted by glennf

Floyd's record is fine at 135, he fought the best and won in that division. My beef is Tszyu was around in 02 and 03 and surely a match up could have been made. Tszyu dominated the 140lb division for nearly ten years and Mayweather didn't take up the challenge. Hatton beats Tszyu in 05 and again where is Mayweather? He fights Gatti and Mitchell who in their day were very good but by the time he gets to them they are finished! It's a good resume but not a great one yet! He still has some work to do before his legacy is set in stone. Cotto, Hatton, Mosley, Margarito, Williams the list is strong.

I see it like this...Hatton has looked extra sloppy in his last 2 fights(which he has publicly admitted).So he has definitely lost some steam.
Mosley had one good fight...and now everyone is ready to throw his name in there after just one fight?
Margo is fighting Williams so one will lose a top ranking and a chance at the top level(Floyd).
So what you are saying is that a fight with Cotto and Hatton will cement Floyds legacyI didnt think a 28year old and an out of shape slugger had that much affect on Floyds legacy.

I will clarify the statement, I think he missed a great opportunity to fight and beat a future hall of famer in Tszyu who was the 140lb king for a long time. Secondly he needs to unify the 147lb belt and that means beating Hatton and Cotto, they are both unbeaten currently and Mosley's overall record and recent performances entitle him to a shot at Mayweather. I think you are selling Hatton and Cotto a bit short here.

A fight with Tszyu didnt pan out so what?Everyone has a fighter that they could have fought. Unify the 147lb class for what??He beat Baldo who was the top ranked Welter.He has hinted that he will fight Hatton after Oscar...but answer this...Who has Hatton beaten?90% of the names on his resume are nobodies.He hasnt looked looked impressive in his last 2 fights....and he is out of
shape...and he deserves a shot
Cotto has come close to getting knocked out twice...He wasnt impressive in the Malignaggi and Urkal fights,and once again what top ranked fighter has he beaten?
Mosley had 3 seperate occasions to fight Floyd and he decided to go another route.He had one good fight back....and now he deserves a shot
REALISTICALLY...is Hatton,Cotto,and MArgo gonna beat Floyd....NO.

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton

These are unequivocally the top FIVE Welterweights at the moment and yet the so called greatest welterweight of all ourtime has fought not a single one of them?

How could a welterweight champion leave the sport claiming to be one of the greatest if not THE greatest ever and have people believe him without even facing ONE of the current top 5 welterweights?

Lightweight great maybe but Floyd Mayweather's career has unfinished business at welterweight. Oscar is a step in the right direction but with one foot out the retirement door a win over Oscar can be deflated.

I hope PBF gets sparked bigtime!! Then I can sit back and enjoy the rest of his career because getting KTFO at 154 by ODLH won't hurt his legacy at all, it may actually push him into creating one at 147.

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton

These are unequivocally the top FIVE Welterweights at the moment and yet the so called greatest welterweight of all ourtime has fought not a single one of them?

How could a welterweight champion leave the sport claiming to be one of the greatest if not THE greatest ever and have people believe him without even facing ONE of the current top 5 welterweights?

Lightweight great maybe but Floyd Mayweather's career has unfinished business at welterweight. Oscar is a step in the right direction but with one foot out the retirement door a win over Oscar can be deflated.

I hope PBF gets sparked bigtime!! Then I can sit back and enjoy the rest of his career because getting KTFO at 154 by ODLH won't hurt his legacy at all, it may actually push him into creating one at 147.

Who has Cotto,Margo,Williams,Hatton beaten that was great??
Did you not see Mosley get destroyed twice by Winky?(dont blame it on the weight)He is ranked at the top of your list based on his last fight?
Baldo,Zab,Gatti,etc...were all top welters at one point in time so its not like Cotto,Margo,Hatton have been up at the top for 5 years.

He talks. But....

1. Mosley was at 154 until a couple months ago, and he himself said he wasn't ready for Floyd or Margarito yet. He actually called on Mayweather to face Margarito.
2. Again, when has he called out Floyd? He's barely moved up from 140 and the two have had conflicting schedules. He'll call out Mayweather after he sparks Judah but not right now.
3. Williams wants Margarito...he has fought absolutely nobody to this point. His biggest fight was Mitchell who Floyd used just to feel out 147. A transitional fight.
4. This is the most valid one. But he got surpassed for THE welterweight champion.
5. He's only fought once at 147 and didn't look good. Said himself he needs 3 fights before Floyd.

I think you're jumping the gun a bit to quick. Floyd isn't retiring it's all BS, money talks for Floyd and despite all the talking he does, he is a guy who is sensitive as to what his legacy will be. He has 5 more years to give and over that time I bet anything he faces off with at least 3 of these guys.

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton

There is always the politics bla bla bla blaa.... but my point is those names are the top 5 welterweights yes?

Think outside the square... could any other champion in any other weight division be considered so great without even facing one of the top 5 at his weight?

Could Baldomir, Judah or Mitchell beat any of the guys on this list? NO.

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton

There is always the politics bla bla bla blaa.... but my point is those names are the top 5 welterweights yes?

Think outside the square... could any other champion in any other weight division be considered so great without even facing one of the top 5 at his weight?

Could Baldomir, Judah or Mitchell beat any of the guys on this list? NO.

But when he faced them, Baldomir and Judah were top 5 welterweights. The rankings changed and he's temporarily chasing the money. 5 months ago, none of these guys other then Margarito and maybe Cotto weren't on that list so what was Mayweather supposed to do?

Originally Posted by amat

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton

There is always the politics bla bla bla blaa.... but my point is those names are the top 5 welterweights yes?

Think outside the square... could any other champion in any other weight division be considered so great without even facing one of the top 5 at his weight?

Could Baldomir, Judah or Mitchell beat any of the guys on this list? NO.

But when he faced them, Baldomir and Judah were top 5 welterweights. The rankings changed and he's temporarily chasing the money. 5 months ago, none of these guys other then Margarito and maybe Cotto weren't on that list so what was Mayweather supposed to do?

Good point and if Judah beat Baldo I wouldn't even be posting right now but this is how i see it at the moment.

Mayweather hasn't retired and these guys do exist.

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

1. Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Ricky Hatton

These are unequivocally the top FIVE Welterweights at the moment and yet the so called greatest welterweight of all ourtime has fought not a single one of them?

How could a welterweight champion leave the sport claiming to be one of the greatest if not THE greatest ever and have people believe him without even facing ONE of the current top 5 welterweights?

Lightweight great maybe but Floyd Mayweather's career has unfinished business at welterweight. Oscar is a step in the right direction but with one foot out the retirement door a win over Oscar can be deflated.

I hope PBF gets sparked bigtime!! Then I can sit back and enjoy the rest of his career because getting KTFO at 154 by ODLH won't hurt his legacy at all, it may actually push him into creating one at 147.

Who has Cotto,Margo,Williams,Hatton beaten that was great??
Did you not see Mosley get destroyed twice by Winky?(dont blame it on the weight)He is ranked at the top of your list based on his last fight?
Baldo,Zab,Gatti,etc...were all top welters at one point in time so its not like Cotto,Margo,Hatton have been up at the top for 5 years.

hey.. mosely got destroyed by winky and forest.. but at least he has the ball to stand there and throw instead of scratching his way to victory...

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Casamayor,Freitas,Spadafora,Hatton,Tszyu,Cotto,Mar garito,these are just some of the guys that Floyd could have fought.

Hatton and Cotto have shown no interest in fighting Mayweather to this point. Margarito has done nothing to prove he was more worthy of an opponent than Baldomir, who was the recognized WW champ.
With Tszyu, there were major contractual issues (HBO-Showtime). Casamayor and Freitas would have been interesting opponents, I'll grant that. Spadafora would've gotten his ass kicked.

Granted,it's not always been his fault but to look at his resume and say the guy is a legend or an ATG,is ridiculous. And for him to mention his own name in same breath as SRR,Ali etc is embaressing.

But what he says, (ridiculous or not) has nothing to do with his status in the sport of boxing!!
This is a big pet peeve of mine.
When people start their anti-Floyd post, they never go more than a sentence or two without complaining about what Floyd "says."
What Floyd talks about or brags about has nothing to do with what he does in the ring. Just because he's not likeable doesn't make him any more or less of a boxer. Just like the fact that Shane Mosley is a nice guy doesn't make him a better boxer.
Evaluate Floyd by what he does in the ring, because that's all that matters. And I'm not attacking you personally, because there are plenty of posters who do this as well.

You completely miss the point with the second part. By comparing himself to SRR etc,is he not going to be more harshly criticised? Is he not going to be under the microscope for more detailed analysis with comments like that> Only a fool would say no.And by making those comments,and having a resume like his,he is nowhere the standards of an all time great. And I know you are not attacking me because nowhere have I insinuated that by being an idiot,it makes him an even lesser of a fighter.

You're jumping to conclusions. I know others have said Floyd is is a fool therefore less of a fighter,I have not. I've said Floyd makes silly remarks,but he has no justifications for those remarks..yet. Maybe if after Oscar,he comes back and cleans out 147,then he can say he's an all time great,it'll probably be true.

And there is no one here who can tell me unequivocally Floyd is the best at 140/147. He didn't fight anywhere near the best at either of those weight classes. And you are way off,Hatton has made it clear he wanted to fight Floyd....for $13mill . So what if Floyd would have beat Spadafora easily in your opinion,he's fought guys like Brusseles and Gatti,why not fight a worthy champion?

There is another thread Titled: What do you think makes a great champion.

My response is unifying the belts in your division. If we are going to talk about legacy than what Floyd needs to do to cement his legacy is unify his division. Yes he was THE CHAMP at 135, but he was certanly never THE champ at 140 or 147 because he never unified those divs. How could you say you are the champ and have some other guy be presented as a champ in you division and not fight him.

The fight against DLH means nothing other than BIG MONEY. Ofcourse he's going to take that fight. There is big rewards and very low risk because most people agree that even if he loses he is WAY over his natural weight and he is fighting arguably the best 154 pounder at this time in DLH. And if he wins then he has a huge name in his record and he beat him under some seriously disadvantegous circumstances.

After that, win or lose, he should come back down to 147 and clean house. Then we can consider him an All Time Great.

But this thread is about his record. Regardless of who he has faught, the fact that he is 37-0 with really only one fight that you could say was even close is in and of itself very impressive. Add to that that he did face the top at his division at the time in JLC and Chico Corrales and you have a fighter that has done more than most fighters of his era. The other names on hes record a just a plus to this and even though they were not in their prime, were defenetely capable and dangerous fighters.

IMO cleaning up at 147 means nothing...because other than Mosley...they arent impressive...period.
Floyd will more than likely fight Hatton an then call it quits.For those who say he is too greedy and that his ego is to big to retire...First of all you dont know him and second he has more than enough money to call it quits...and he has said that he will either commentate or focus on his record label.So until further notice...he plans to fight Hatton and hang em up.I doubt that there will be a DLH rematch(win lose or draw) because he has said that he will never do business with Golden Boy Promotions again.