Thread: Where do you have PBF and Oscar in your all time P4P list??

I would probably have PBF top 20 and Oscar top 30

Firmly behind Butterbean, who is truly the greatest P4P boxer of all time.

Originally Posted by BIG H

I would probably have PBF top 20 and Oscar top 30

same as me

I really don't think Oscar belongs anywhere in the top 50. of all time? seriously? he's not even top 5 of his generation. Floyd, Winky, B-Hop, RJJ, and James Toney are all better than Oscar.

I Like Oscar early in his career, he has lost all of his super fights and can no longer be considered to be a top 20 all time fighter. Shit happens as they say and if you keep losing to the big names, admirable that it is that you are fighting them, then you have to win a few of these superfights to be considered an all time great. Oscar has won a lot of titles but has failed to beat the top fighters in their prime!
Floyd still has something to prove and needs to deal with the 147lb division and beat Cotto and Hatton.
Mosley won't prove much if he fights him, he is 35. They might as well bring back Tszyu!
Floyd will end up in the top 20 for sure, just not yet!

I refuse to answer these questions on the grounds that I might incriminate myself.

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I Like Oscar early in his career, he has lost all of his super fights and can no longer be considered to be a top 20 all time fighter. S*** happens as they say and if you keep losing to the big names, admirable that it is that you are fighting them, then you have to win a few of these superfights to be considered an all time great. Oscar has won a lot of titles but has failed to beat the top fighters in their prime!
Floyd still has something to prove and needs to deal with the 147lb division and beat Cotto and Hatton.
Mosley won't prove much if he fights him, he is 35. They might as well bring back Tszyu!
Floyd will end up in the top 20 for sure, just not yet!

I dunno, I thought he did ok in 'Super fights'

Defintately beat Vargas
Definitely beat Tito
Definitely beat Whitaker
Definitely beat Chavez
Definitely beat Mosely (2nd fight)


+ He is the only guy out there who has ducked nobody!!!!

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I Like Oscar early in his career, he has lost all of his super fights and can no longer be considered to be a top 20 all time fighter. S*** happens as they say and if you keep losing to the big names, admirable that it is that you are fighting them, then you have to win a few of these superfights to be considered an all time great. Oscar has won a lot of titles but has failed to beat the top fighters in their prime!
Floyd still has something to prove and needs to deal with the 147lb division and beat Cotto and Hatton.
Mosley won't prove much if he fights him, he is 35. They might as well bring back Tszyu!
Floyd will end up in the top 20 for sure, just not yet!

I dunno, I thought he did ok in 'Super fights'

Defintately beat Vargas
Definitely beat Tito
Definitely beat Whitaker
Definitely beat Chavez
Definitely beat Mosely (2nd fight)


+ He is the only guy out there who has ducked nobody!!!!

which is why I have him in my top 25.....I easily have PBF in my top 10.....2 or 3 more quality wins and he goes up to my top 5...

floyd is top ten top five if he goes back and beats shane, cotto, and margarito

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I Like Oscar early in his career, he has lost all of his super fights and can no longer be considered to be a top 20 all time fighter. S*** happens as they say and if you keep losing to the big names, admirable that it is that you are fighting them, then you have to win a few of these superfights to be considered an all time great. Oscar has won a lot of titles but has failed to beat the top fighters in their prime!
Floyd still has something to prove and needs to deal with the 147lb division and beat Cotto and Hatton.
Mosley won't prove much if he fights him, he is 35. They might as well bring back Tszyu!
Floyd will end up in the top 20 for sure, just not yet!

I dunno, I thought he did ok in 'Super fights'

Defintately beat Vargas
Definitely beat Tito
Definitely beat Whitaker
Definitely beat Chavez
Definitely beat Mosely (2nd fight)


+ He is the only guy out there who has ducked nobody!!!!

which is why I have him in my top 25.....I easily have PBF in my top 10.....2 or 3 more quality wins and he goes up to my top 5...

if de la hoya beat tito and sweet-pea, then he lost to quartey, sturm, mosely twice,

it hard to rate oscar because he's never beaten a prime A+ fighter so...whatever

Honestly..Oscar at least top 20..

Floyd.. Although he doesnt have the greatest of competition in his era.. Depending on how you look at it..

He probably could have beaten most fighters in history..

Top five maybe? ..Top ten definately

Originally Posted by shza

I really don't think Oscar belongs anywhere in the top 50. of all time? seriously? he's not even top 5 of his generation. Floyd, Winky, B-Hop, RJJ, and James Toney are all better than Oscar.

Shiza, once again you are spot on. I'd have PBF in my top 30-35 right now, but ODLY nowhere to be seen. He has mucked up his legacy in his last 5 fights. If PBF beat SSM and one other like opponent, he moves up fast.

Floyd-Top 10 (on my list at exactly 10)
Oscar-Between 20-30

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

floyd is top ten top five if he goes back and beats shane, cotto, and margarito

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I Like Oscar early in his career, he has lost all of his super fights and can no longer be considered to be a top 20 all time fighter. S*** happens as they say and if you keep losing to the big names, admirable that it is that you are fighting them, then you have to win a few of these superfights to be considered an all time great. Oscar has won a lot of titles but has failed to beat the top fighters in their prime!
Floyd still has something to prove and needs to deal with the 147lb division and beat Cotto and Hatton.
Mosley won't prove much if he fights him, he is 35. They might as well bring back Tszyu!
Floyd will end up in the top 20 for sure, just not yet!

I dunno, I thought he did ok in 'Super fights'

Defintately beat Vargas
Definitely beat Tito
Definitely beat Whitaker
Definitely beat Chavez
Definitely beat Mosely (2nd fight)


+ He is the only guy out there who has ducked nobody!!!!

which is why I have him in my top 25.....I easily have PBF in my top 10.....2 or 3 more quality wins and he goes up to my top 5...

if de la hoya beat tito and sweet-pea, then he lost to quartey, sturm, mosely twice,

it hard to rate oscar because he's never beaten a prime A+ fighter so...whatever

It's true he has never ducked anyone and took fights he didn't really have to take, lost a couple of close ones (poor decisions) but at the end of the day has a big L next to those big name fighters on his record.

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

floyd is top ten top five if he goes back and beats shane, cotto, and margarito

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I Like Oscar early in his career, he has lost all of his super fights and can no longer be considered to be a top 20 all time fighter. S*** happens as they say and if you keep losing to the big names, admirable that it is that you are fighting them, then you have to win a few of these superfights to be considered an all time great. Oscar has won a lot of titles but has failed to beat the top fighters in their prime!
Floyd still has something to prove and needs to deal with the 147lb division and beat Cotto and Hatton.
Mosley won't prove much if he fights him, he is 35. They might as well bring back Tszyu!
Floyd will end up in the top 20 for sure, just not yet!

I dunno, I thought he did ok in 'Super fights'

Defintately beat Vargas
Definitely beat Tito
Definitely beat Whitaker
Definitely beat Chavez
Definitely beat Mosely (2nd fight)


+ He is the only guy out there who has ducked nobody!!!!

which is why I have him in my top 25.....I easily have PBF in my top 10.....2 or 3 more quality wins and he goes up to my top 5...

if de la hoya beat tito and sweet-pea, then he lost to quartey, sturm, mosely twice,

it hard to rate oscar because he's never beaten a prime A+ fighter so...whatever

I say he beat Tito - beat Whitaker (by virtue of winning the last round ) Beat Mosely in the 2nd fight (So clearly that even Shane knew it!!) Lost to Quartey, lost to Sturm

I have no allegiance to Oscar, I just have respect to him for being the only fighter of his generation who ducked NOBODY.

Originally Posted by BIG H

I have no allegiance to Oscar, I just have respect to him for being the only fighter of his generation who ducked NOBODY.

Why are you even saying that? We all know he ducked Winky Wright. Just as clearly as we all know Winky would have beaten Oscar if Oscar hadn't ducked him.