Thread: Ibragimov-Chagaev unification!

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by bzkfn

Originally Posted by Bilbo

The thing is both Chagaev and Ibragimov ARE Ray Austin level fighters that got lucky in world title fights. Was Shannon Briggs even in the top 20 when won his title over Lyakhovich? Was Masakev? Ibragimov fought to a draw with Austin last year.

Austin, Ibragimov, Briggs etc all pretty much on a par with each other so it's not a risk in the slightest to fight another 'champion' when that 'champion' is an absolute bum.

Why would you need to fight an Austin like fighter when the other world champs are no better?

Wlad has to fight guys like Austin because none of the other 'champs' want to meet HIM.

They are all bums, only Wlad is not. The real players in the division are Wladimir, his brother Vitali if he comes back, Sam Peter and Evander Holyfield.

All of the other 'champs' are just a sideshow

Harsh on Chagaev, he is a good solid fighter who can be a player in the HW division. I'd include Oliver McCall in your list as well. For me, it's Peter & Wlad though who are the elite.

Yeah I did mention McCall in my first post, I'm likeing how he has continued to put a nice run together. His win over Simil Sam has definitely shown that he's serious about another title shot.

Chagaev isn't bad, he did do a good job against Valuev. Not seen much of him apart from that though. I tried to watch his fight with Ruiz but honestly it was hard going, especially being in German as well so I had to just flick through it.

Ibragimov is a bum who actually looked almost Floydesque against Briggs which really sums up just how immobile Briggs is.

I'd like to see Skelton have a crack at either of these.

If Oliver had not fallen to drugs a few years back (Around the time of the 2nd Lewis fight)......He would have been a Major player in the HW division all these years and more then likely retired by now with a proud career to look back on.....Oliver has decent boxing skills....Good power and can take a hell of a shot....

Right now McCall is fighting for money...

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by bzkfn

Originally Posted by Bilbo

The thing is both Chagaev and Ibragimov ARE Ray Austin level fighters that got lucky in world title fights. Was Shannon Briggs even in the top 20 when won his title over Lyakhovich? Was Masakev? Ibragimov fought to a draw with Austin last year.

Austin, Ibragimov, Briggs etc all pretty much on a par with each other so it's not a risk in the slightest to fight another 'champion' when that 'champion' is an absolute bum.

Why would you need to fight an Austin like fighter when the other world champs are no better?

Wlad has to fight guys like Austin because none of the other 'champs' want to meet HIM.

They are all bums, only Wlad is not. The real players in the division are Wladimir, his brother Vitali if he comes back, Sam Peter and Evander Holyfield.

All of the other 'champs' are just a sideshow

Harsh on Chagaev, he is a good solid fighter who can be a player in the HW division. I'd include Oliver McCall in your list as well. For me, it's Peter & Wlad though who are the elite.

Yeah I did mention McCall in my first post, I'm likeing how he has continued to put a nice run together. His win over Simil Sam has definitely shown that he's serious about another title shot.

Chagaev isn't bad, he did do a good job against Valuev. Not seen much of him apart from that though. I tried to watch his fight with Ruiz but honestly it was hard going, especially being in German as well so I had to just flick through it.

Ibragimov is a bum who actually looked almost Floydesque against Briggs which really sums up just how immobile Briggs is.

I'd like to see Skelton have a crack at either of these.

If Oliver had not fallen to drugs a few years back (Around the time of the 2nd Lewis fight)......He would have been a Major player in the HW division all these years and more then likely retired by now with a proud career to look back on.....Oliver has decent boxing skills....Good power and can take a hell of a shot....

Right now McCall is fighting for money...

He's got a real chance at a title though I think. He has the three basic qualities that most of the others lack, he can give a punch, he can certainly take a punch, and even at his age he can go 12 rounds.

That alone puts him in the top 5 in the division near enough. :P

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by bzkfn

Originally Posted by Bilbo

The thing is both Chagaev and Ibragimov ARE Ray Austin level fighters that got lucky in world title fights. Was Shannon Briggs even in the top 20 when won his title over Lyakhovich? Was Masakev? Ibragimov fought to a draw with Austin last year.

Austin, Ibragimov, Briggs etc all pretty much on a par with each other so it's not a risk in the slightest to fight another 'champion' when that 'champion' is an absolute bum.

Why would you need to fight an Austin like fighter when the other world champs are no better?

Wlad has to fight guys like Austin because none of the other 'champs' want to meet HIM.

They are all bums, only Wlad is not. The real players in the division are Wladimir, his brother Vitali if he comes back, Sam Peter and Evander Holyfield.

All of the other 'champs' are just a sideshow

Harsh on Chagaev, he is a good solid fighter who can be a player in the HW division. I'd include Oliver McCall in your list as well. For me, it's Peter & Wlad though who are the elite.

Yeah I did mention McCall in my first post, I'm likeing how he has continued to put a nice run together. His win over Simil Sam has definitely shown that he's serious about another title shot.

Chagaev isn't bad, he did do a good job against Valuev. Not seen much of him apart from that though. I tried to watch his fight with Ruiz but honestly it was hard going, especially being in German as well so I had to just flick through it.

Ibragimov is a bum who actually looked almost Floydesque against Briggs which really sums up just how immobile Briggs is.

I'd like to see Skelton have a crack at either of these.

If Oliver had not fallen to drugs a few years back (Around the time of the 2nd Lewis fight)......He would have been a Major player in the HW division all these years and more then likely retired by now with a proud career to look back on.....Oliver has decent boxing skills....Good power and can take a hell of a shot....

Right now McCall is fighting for money...

He's got a real chance at a title though I think. He has the three basic qualities that most of the others lack, he can give a punch, he can certainly take a punch, and even at his age he can go 12 rounds.

That alone puts him in the top 5 in the division near enough. :P

100% Agreed