And where will he be P4P wise??

It depends... I thought he shouldn't have been given that much credit for the third fights against Morrales and before it I said he would destroy MOrrales. Now I think Barrera isn't as physically worn out as Morrales at this stage of his career, but I also feel that he can't handle a fast paced opponent. It really depends on how Barrera looks for me. If he looks slow and off then I won't give Manny much credit, but if Barrera is sharp and Pacquaio still over comes him fashionably then I will give him all the credit in the world and say he deserves to be the second best fighter on the planet.

Originally Posted by Taeth

It depends... I thought he shouldn't have been given that much credit for the third fights against Morrales and before it I said he would destroy MOrrales. Now I think Barrera isn't as physically worn out as Morrales at this stage of his career, but I also feel that he can't handle a fast paced opponent. It really depends on how Barrera looks for me. If he looks slow and off then I won't give Manny much credit, but if Barrera is sharp and Pacquaio still over comes him fashionably then I will give him all the credit in the world and say he deserves to be the second best fighter on the planet.

I think I agree,and I also don't think it takes Manny to P4P number 1 no matter how he wins. I don't give Floyd much credit for fighting all guys coming off losses,I'm not going to be hypocritical and give Manny tonnes of credit either. I would much rather have seen Pacman fight JMM,Soto,Guzman.

the only way ill give him credit is if it goes like 9 or more rounds, and barrera looks sharp and hungry as hell.

If barrera boxes superb, gets stuck out takes some htis and throws them like he used to and pac wins ill givr him credit - otherwise 1stKO or 12 round UD it will mean almost nothign to me. I honestly believe marco has no hunger, no fire inside him anymore... after all the pre talk before the JMM fight he seemed he did, the first 6 rounds sucked and he did very little... i love barrera, my all time fav fighter, wishhe would retire tho coz he dont want it anymore, seems to me hes being sacrificed to make manny a GB fighter, nothing more.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

And where will he be P4P wise??

No higher than he is now (#3 in my book).

If Winky wins in a couple weeks, then a Pac win in October doesn't change anything.

Floyd, Winky, then Pac.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by El Gamo

And where will he be P4P wise??

No higher than he is now (#3 in my book).

If Winky wins in a couple weeks, then a Pac win in October doesn't change anything.

Floyd, Winky, then Pac.

i think you made a type there mate, you missed out rafa in between floyd and winky...

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by El Gamo

And where will he be P4P wise??

No higher than he is now (#3 in my book).

If Winky wins in a couple weeks, then a Pac win in October doesn't change anything.

Floyd, Winky, then Pac.

i think you made a type there mate, you missed out rafa in between floyd and winky...

I have Rafael at #4.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

barrera is shot.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

He's done too much to be overrated or overhyped.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

He's done too much to be overrated or overhyped.

sent u a pm bout that thing u wnated btw mate

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

He's done too much to be overrated or overhyped.

I agree, but most pac-haters won't see it that way.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

He's done too much to be overrated or overhyped.

I agree, but most pac-haters won't see it that way.

i dont really seemany people on here hate on pack...

sayingmorales was shot in hislast 2 fights is not hting on pac... wanting pac to fight guys at his weight who are up and comers sint hating on pac.. he gets alot of credit here IMO

i'll give him his props
i think mab will peform more better than last time

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

If Pac wins by UD/SD (or draw), critics will say = "rusty Pacman"

If Pac wins by late round KO = "what the fwock took him so long?"

If Pac wins by mid-round KO = "he defeated a shot MAB"

If Pac wins by early round KO = "he defeated a wayyyyyyy shot MAB"

If Pac losses in anyway = "Pac is overrated and overhyped after all!"

You see, this is why I hate Pac-MAB rematch. I would rather see Pac against Marquez, Soto, Guzman, Valero or even anybody @ lightweight.

He's done too much to be overrated or overhyped.

I agree, but most pac-haters won't see it that way.

i dont really seemany people on here hate on pack...

sayingmorales was shot in hislast 2 fights is not hting on pac... wanting pac to fight guys at his weight who are up and comers sint hating on pac.. he gets alot of credit here IMO

Most posters here are more mature and not narrow minded compare to other forums.

I guess haters are just being haters.. no matter what Pac accomplishes, they'll find ways to discredit him. And ofcourse there's nothing I can do about it coz they're always entitled to their own opinions.

Cheers...