Thread: Oscar trying to sabotage Floyd's plans with Hatton???

Originally Posted by Poom

oh god.. another fight involving Oscar no one asked for

have to CC u for that lil,fair play i liek oscar but that was fuckign funny!

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Yeah,they are my 2 favourite fighters which is why Tony HAS to beat PW imo. It would be an amazing fight though! I think it'll be one of the few times we'll have disagreed and one of the few times you've been wrong lol.

Hmmm..... sounds like a budding rivalry to me.
Either way, I'm toast. If Tony beats Cotto, I'll be depressed for a month. If Cotto wins, I'll celebrate myself into a coma.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Yeah,they are my 2 favourite fighters which is why Tony HAS to beat PW imo. It would be an amazing fight though! I think it'll be one of the few times we'll have disagreed and one of the few times you've been wrong lol.

Hmmm..... sounds like a budding rivalry to me.
Either way, I'm toast. If Tony beats Cotto, I'll be depressed for a month. If Cotto wins, I'll celebrate myself into a coma.

LMFAO!!!! Dude,if Margarito loses to Williams,I'm a dead man!!! I'll get murdered by everyone here! LOL,I know it's looking a bit further foward but I think we should have a SIg bet for Tony Cotto for sure! That fight is a win win situation for me though because I've backed those 2 from the beginning!

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Yeah,they are my 2 favourite fighters which is why Tony HAS to beat PW imo. It would be an amazing fight though! I think it'll be one of the few times we'll have disagreed and one of the few times you've been wrong lol.

Hmmm..... sounds like a budding rivalry to me.
Either way, I'm toast. If Tony beats Cotto, I'll be depressed for a month. If Cotto wins, I'll celebrate myself into a coma.

LMFAO!!!! Dude,if Margarito loses to Williams,I'm a dead man!!! I'll get murdered by everyone here! LOL,I know it's looking a bit further foward but I think we should have a SIg bet for Tony Cotto for sure! That fight is a win win situation for me though because I've backed those 2 from the beginning!

You're on!!!

(Pssst.... what's a sig bet?)

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Why the f is everyone so gung-ho about fighting Hatton (ie: Oscar and Floyd)........ but no one even looks Margarito's or Cotto's way? Could it be that both DLH and PBF perceive Hatton as easy pickings? The biggest glory with the least risk? As El Gamo very well put it? I don't get it.

No, it would be the fact that Hatton draws the crowds, the money, Cotto and Margarito really are unknown compared to Hatton, even Floyd is less known than Hatton

hatton is where the money is at, the proof in the pudding is the fact that Oscar is interested

I think Oscar beats Hatton rather easily. Not as easily as Floyd would beat Hatton, but still easy.

Oscar ain't coming below 154. He hasn't been below that weight in 6 years. He was in great shape for the Floyd fight and he still weighed exactly 154. He's not making 147.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Why the f is everyone so gung-ho about fighting Hatton (ie: Oscar and Floyd)........ but no one even looks Margarito's or Cotto's way? Could it be that both DLH and PBF perceive Hatton as easy pickings? The biggest glory with the least risk? As El Gamo very well put it? I don't get it.

No, it would be the fact that Hatton draws the crowds, the money, Cotto and Margarito really are unknown compared to Hatton, even Floyd is less known than Hatton

hatton is where the money is at, the proof in the pudding is the fact that Oscar is interested

"Known" where?!?!?
For chrisssakes.... at least make an attempt to post a halfway impartial thought. In England? You damn well better believe it. Hatton is a household name and Cotto could very well be the new 9th planet. In Puerto Rico? It's the other way around. And in case the news hadn't hit you yet, there's a world of boxing outside the UK.

Thats an interesting point with regards to Floyd Hatton,I wonder what kind of numbers it would do. Is Floyd a mega star now stateside? Has Hatton won over the American fans?>?

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Why the f is everyone so gung-ho about fighting Hatton (ie: Oscar and Floyd)........ but no one even looks Margarito's or Cotto's way? Could it be that both DLH and PBF perceive Hatton as easy pickings? The biggest glory with the least risk? As El Gamo very well put it? I don't get it.

No, it would be the fact that Hatton draws the crowds, the money, Cotto and Margarito really are unknown compared to Hatton, even Floyd is less known than Hatton

hatton is where the money is at, the proof in the pudding is the fact that Oscar is interested

"Known" where?!?!?
For chrisssakes.... at least make an attempt to post a halfway impartial thought. In England? You damn well better believe it. Hatton is a household name and Cotto could very well be the new 9th planet. In Puerto Rico? It's the other way around. And in case the news hadn't hit you yet, there's a world of boxing outside the UK.

Hattons fans made up 4 5ths of the crowd for the 16000 that attended the Castillo fight, Hatton is well known and you better believe that where ever he fights his rabid fans will out number and drown out Floyds pathetic attendences, take a look at Floyds ppv numbers before he fought Gatti

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Thats an interesting point with regards to Floyd Hatton,I wonder what kind of numbers it would do. Is Floyd a mega star now stateside? Has Hatton won over the American fans?>?

There's only one boxer who is a "mega-star" in the US and that's Oscar. So any fight with him is going to blow any other fight away in terms of PPV numbers.

Floyd is not a huge drawing card, but he is a bigger PPV draw in the US than Mosley, Cotto, or any other fighter at 140 or 147. So if Hatton wants to fight someone other than Oscar, than Floyd would bring the biggest PPV figures and therefore the most money.

Cotto is a big draw in New York, because there's an enormous Puerto Rican population there, but he's not a nationwide PPV draw yet, as is evidenced by the mediocre numbers that Cotto-Judah pulled in.
Floyd-Judah and FLoyd-Baldomir both got more PPV buys than Cotto-Judah, and Floyd is more well-known now than he was then.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Thats an interesting point with regards to Floyd Hatton,I wonder what kind of numbers it would do. Is Floyd a mega star now stateside? Has Hatton won over the American fans?>?

There's only one boxer who is a "mega-star" in the US and that's Oscar. So any fight with him is going to blow any other fight away in terms of PPV numbers.

Floyd is not a huge drawing card, but he is a bigger PPV draw in the US than Mosley, Cotto, or any other fighter at 140 or 147. So if Hatton wants to fight someone other than Oscar, than Floyd would bring the biggest PPV figures and therefore the most money.

Cotto is a big draw in New York, because there's an enormous Puerto Rican population there, but he's not a nationwide PPV draw yet, as is evidenced by the mediocre numbers that Cotto-Judah pulled in.
Floyd-Judah and FLoyd-Baldomir both got more PPV buys than Cotto-Judah, and Floyd is more well-known now than he was then.

Thanks for the info although I disagree on one point,I think Cotto-Judah did very well. Why? Cotto's age. He's still young,that his was his first fight against someone more "mainstream". If he keeps winning,I think he'll be huge! I think(not totally sure) that he is doing better numbers than Floyd did at that age.

Does Floyd really get more viewers than Shane? Thats a surprise. Do you think Floyd Hatton would do well,numbers wise?

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Does Floyd really get more viewers than Shane? Thats a surprise. Do you think Floyd Hatton would do well,numbers wise?

Shane has never been a big draw. In his prime when he was undefeated, he was fighting in front of a couple thousand people. His last fight was almost empty. He's just never been a draw.

I think Floyd-Hatton would do well numbers-wise. No where even remotely close to an Oscar fight, but it'll do well.

In the US, if a PPV draws 400,000 viewers, that's pretty decent.
If marketed correctly (big if) I could see Floyd-Hatton possibly doing 700K.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Why the f is everyone so gung-ho about fighting Hatton (ie: Oscar and Floyd)........ but no one even looks Margarito's or Cotto's way? Could it be that both DLH and PBF perceive Hatton as easy pickings? The biggest glory with the least risk? As El Gamo very well put it? I don't get it.

No, it would be the fact that Hatton draws the crowds, the money, Cotto and Margarito really are unknown compared to Hatton, even Floyd is less known than Hatton

hatton is where the money is at, the proof in the pudding is the fact that Oscar is interested

"Known" where?!?!?
For chrisssakes.... at least make an attempt to post a halfway impartial thought. In England? You damn well better believe it. Hatton is a household name and Cotto could very well be the new 9th planet. In Puerto Rico? It's the other way around. And in case the news hadn't hit you yet, there's a world of boxing outside the UK.

Hattons fans made up 4 5ths of the crowd for the 16000 that attended the Castillo fight, Hatton is well known and you better believe that where ever he fights his rabid fans will out number and drown out Floyds pathetic attendences, take a look at Floyds ppv numbers before he fought Gatti

You know why Hatton fans made up 4/5ths of the Castillo fight crowd? Because UK fight fans are good, loyal fans. And I'm not gonna be caught dead defending Floyd's fan base. But the point remains, Hatton is a household name in the UK, with his loyal fan base. Cotto is a household name in Puerto Rico and in many parts of the U.S. with a particularly high Hispanic fan base. It depends on which side of the fence you happen to be sitting on.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Does Floyd really get more viewers than Shane? Thats a surprise. Do you think Floyd Hatton would do well,numbers wise?

Shane has never been a big draw. In his prime when he was undefeated, he was fighting in front of a couple thousand people. His last fight was almost empty. He's just never been a draw.

I think Floyd-Hatton would do well numbers-wise. No where even remotely close to an Oscar fight, but it'll do well.

In the US, if a PPV draws 400,000 viewers, that's pretty decent.
If marketed correctly (big if) I could see Floyd-Hatton possibly doing 700K.

Wow,700k would be awesome! I'm surprised Shane has never been much of a draw! Yeah,I gathered no one would ever compare to Oscar numbers wise!

If they did Floyd Hatton in Wembley in England you would have to think that the second biggest live gate would be created. The first being the 120,557 that attended the first Dempsey v Tunney heavy weight title fight

Hatton has fans in droves, Floyd does not, the live gates are where the money is still to be made, especially when you can gather a crowd like Hatton does

The only other way of making a bigger fight would be to regenerate Tyson, not only would there be a huge gate the whole world would want to see on tv

Floyd just doesnt generate any excitment to get viewers paying ppv