Thread: Some mythical fights

I'm pretty bored so just some mythical fights. Who wins, why? Whenever you think these guys were at their best, for example, McGirt of the Simon Brown or Pernell fights, whenever. If you don't care about the lighter weights just don't answer them.

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess.

A couple more

Erik Morales-Wilfredo Gomez at 122
Nigel Benn-Mikkel Kessler at 168

Originally Posted by OumaFan

A couple more

Erik Morales-Wilfredo Gomez at 122
Nigel Benn-Mikkel Kessler at 168

Now that's an interesting one

Hagler v Ketchel
Hearns v Julian Jackson
Benn v Mugabi
Leonard v Robinson
Foreman v Liston
Tyson v Frazier
Jimmy Wilde v Ricardo Lopez
F Mayweather v SWEETPEA
Monzon v Roy Jones
All classics for me these are but a few of my dream matchups

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Hagler v Ketchel
Hearns v Julian Jackson
Benn v Mugabi
Leonard v Robinson
Foreman v Liston
Tyson v Frazier
Jimmy Wildev Ricardo Lopez
F Mayweather v SWEETPEA
Monzon v Roy Jones
All classics for me these are but a few of my dream matchups

some interesting fights. I find it almost impossible to speculate on fights with guys like Wilde versus modern day guys. Just such a big difference in fighting styles, size (not in that case), even rules.

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm pretty bored so just some mythical fights. Who wins, why? Whenever you think these guys were at their best, for example, McGirt of the Simon Brown or Pernell fights, whenever. If you don't care about the lighter weights just don't answer them.

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess.

Some of these I think are mismatches like the first one, the second(I think McGirt would get beaten badly), Pernell by the time he got to welterweight would have been destroyed by Hearns just because he was too old. If a younger Whitaker had gone up there I would probably have it closer.

Other fights
Whitaker vs Meldrick Taylor 135-140
Roy Jones Jr. vs Hagler, rematch Hopkins, Nunn, Leonard, Robinson 160
Roy Jones Jr. vs rematch Toney or fighting Calzaghe, Eubanks, McClellan in his prime 168
Roy Jones Jr. vs Ezzard Charles, Billy Conn, Michael Spinks 175
Ali-Lewis HW
Tyson vs Frazier HW
Holyfield vs Frazier HW
Pep vs Hank Armstrong 125
Robinson vs Leonard 147
Mayweather vs Whitaker 135
Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor 135-140
Holmes vs Prime Ali HW
Shavers vsTyson HW
Ibeabuchi or Tua vs Foreman
Duran vs JCC 140
Duran vs Pryor 140
JLC vs. JCC 135
Monzon vs Hagler 160

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm pretty bored so just some mythical fights. Who wins, why? Whenever you think these guys were at their best, for example, McGirt of the Simon Brown or Pernell fights, whenever. If you don't care about the lighter weights just don't answer them.

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess.

Some of these I think are mismatches like the first one, the second(I think McGirt would get beaten badly), Pernell by the time he got to welterweight would have been destroyed by Hearns just because he was too old. If a younger Whitaker had gone up there I would probably have it closer.

Who do you favor in the first one?

I don't think McGirt-Cotto is a mismatch. McGirt was a solid guy, its not like he even embarrassed himself against Pernell. Meldrick was just awesome that night and a more difficult matchup than Cotto.

Pernell was only like 29 or 30 when he moved up and fought McGirt at welter. That was like 6 or 7 years before he fought Tito. He wasn't past it then, he beat McGirt twice, Chavez-a draw I know but come on-went up to 154 and beat Julio Ceasar Vazquez-had already beaten Winky I think, I know it wasn't the best Winky but still- so I think if he had fought Hearns at 147 at say 29 to his early 30's he wouldn't have been past it at all. I think its just a question of would he have been able to do enough offensively against Hearns.

Mosley-Meldrick Taylor at 135-140 is an interesting one.

Your right my bad, but I still think he would have problems being a southpaw against Hearns because Hearns was so good at landing that right hand, and Hearns had faster hands than WHitaker. I am not sure if Hearns could knock him out, but if anyone could it would be him. I think if Whitaker was a bigger puncher or a better inside fighter this fight would be different, but its virtually impossible for a guy with his good, but not exceptional speed to make up the height and reach difference against Thomas Hearns. The only I ever thought would have a chance of countering Hearns on the outside is Roy JOnes Jr., but he is bigger, faster, and taller than Whitaker.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm pretty bored so just some mythical fights. Who wins, why? Whenever you think these guys were at their best, for example, McGirt of the Simon Brown or Pernell fights, whenever. If you don't care about the lighter weights just don't answer them.

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess.

Some of these I think are mismatches like the first one, the second(I think McGirt would get beaten badly), Pernell by the time he got to welterweight would have been destroyed by Hearns just because he was too old. If a younger Whitaker had gone up there I would probably have it closer.

Other fights
Whitaker vs Meldrick Taylor 135-140
Roy Jones Jr. vs Hagler, rematch Hopkins, Nunn, Leonard, Robinson 160
Roy Jones Jr. vs rematch Toney or fighting Calzaghe, Eubanks, McClellan in his prime 168
Roy Jones Jr. vs Ezzard Charles, Billy Conn, Michael Spinks 175
Ali-Lewis HW
Tyson vs Frazier HW
Holyfield vs Frazier HW
Pep vs Hank Armstrong 125
Robinson vs Leonard 147
Mayweather vs Whitaker 135
Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor 135-140
Holmes vs Prime Ali HW
Shavers vsTyson HW
Ibeabuchi or Tua vs Foreman
Duran vs JCC 140
Duran vs Pryor 140
JLC vs. JCC 135
Monzon vs Hagler 160

ezzard cahrles vs. roy jones be real good

God v Allah, with the winner getting a shot at Buddha ?

roy jones vs sugar ray robinson at 160,

sugar ray's vs floyd

tyson- joe louis

hopkins-hagler

Monzon V Hagler
Duran V Napoles
Pryor V Leonard
Olivares V Jofre
Liston V Frazier
Tszyu v De La Hoya
Whitaker v Mayweather
Ali V Lewis
Mosley V Hearns
RJJ V Foster
Duran V Pryor
Sanchez V Arguello
Foreman V Holmes
Hagler V RJJ
Leonard V Mayweather
Olivares V Sanchez
Tszyu V Mosley
Tyson V Marciano
Hearns V De La Hoya
Mancini V Gatti
Hatton V Duran

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154 Norris had the size and style to beat Shane but mentally I am not sure...I'll go with Norris UD
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147 100% Miguel Cotto cleans Buddy's clock! He got stomped by Meldrick Taylor and he'd get battered by Cotto
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147 Hearns on points it's too tough to look better than Tommy Hearns on defense and win.
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105 too light for me to care
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112 same as above
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess Nelson by UD he's too damn good

Monzon V Hagler Hagler on points
Duran V Napoles Duran points
Pryor V Leonard Leonard by TKO...Pryor was good but I don't think he lasts 15 with Ray
Olivares V Jofre Olivares points
Liston V Frazier Frazier by KO....like Tyson, Liston was good unless the guy he was fighting wouldn't accept his bullying
Tszyu v De La Hoya De la Hoya points, KT couldn't keep the offense up the whole time without getting hit
Whitaker v Mayweather Interesting, I think Sweet Pea would get robbed of a decision....tough when that's the hypothetical view of a fight huh?
Ali V Lewis Both guys had trouble with guys who could jab but I think Ali's speed gives him the edge but if he got tied up or caught a right cross it would be Lennox by stoppage
Mosley V Hearns Tommy Hearns by KO at 154 or 147
RJJ V Foster I want to say RJJ by TKO but I am going Bob Foster by UD
Duran V Pryor A good one but I think Duran would have at Pryor....you saw what he did to Leonard when he stood infront of him.....Pryor would be massacred
Sanchez V Arguello A tough fight to call because of the size difference but I say Sanchez would stop him late
Foreman V Holmes Foreman by KO as George was no Renaldo Snipes and Larry was no Ali
Hagler V RJJ Hate to say it but Roy by one sided UD
Leonard V Mayweather Ray Leonard by decision
Olivares V Sanchez Sanchez by TKO
Tszyu V Mosley Shane by late stoppage his speed and power around 140 was sooo great and KT wouldn't catch him
Tyson V Marciano I plea the fifth, let's say I'm not siding with Tyson as his heart wouldn't hold up to the test I don't give a shit how fast his hands were
Hearns V De La Hoya Tommy Hearns would win much like Trinidad
Mancini V Gatti BOOM BOOM by brutal KO
Hatton V Duran Wise choice, no offense to the Brits but Duran was just badass and Ricky's style plays to his advantages

Originally Posted by Lyle

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154 Norris had the size and style to beat Shane but mentally I am not sure...I'll go with Norris UD
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147 100% Miguel Cotto cleans Buddy's clock! He got stomped by Meldrick Taylor and he'd get battered by Cotto
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147 Hearns on points it's too tough to look better than Tommy Hearns on defense and win.
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105 too light for me to care
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112 same as above
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess Nelson by UD he's too damn good

Monzon V Hagler Hagler on points
Duran V Napoles Duran points
Pryor V Leonard Leonard by TKO...Pryor was good but I don't think he lasts 15 with Ray
Olivares V Jofre Olivares points
Liston V Frazier Frazier by KO....like Tyson, Liston was good unless the guy he was fighting wouldn't accept his bullying
Tszyu v De La Hoya De la Hoya points, KT couldn't keep the offense up the whole time without getting hit
Whitaker v Mayweather Interesting, I think Sweet Pea would get robbed of a decision....tough when that's the hypothetical view of a fight huh?
Ali V Lewis Both guys had trouble with guys who could jab but I think Ali's speed gives him the edge but if he got tied up or caught a right cross it would be Lennox by stoppage
Mosley V Hearns Tommy Hearns by KO at 154 or 147
RJJ V Foster I want to say RJJ by TKO but I am going Bob Foster by UD
Duran V Pryor A good one but I think Duran would have at Pryor....you saw what he did to Leonard when he stood infront of him.....Pryor would be massacred
Sanchez V Arguello A tough fight to call because of the size difference but I say Sanchez would stop him late
Foreman V Holmes Foreman by KO as George was no Renaldo Snipes and Larry was no Ali
Hagler V RJJ Hate to say it but Roy by one sided UD
Leonard V Mayweather Ray Leonard by decision
Olivares V Sanchez Sanchez by TKO
Tszyu V Mosley Shane by late stoppage his speed and power around 140 was sooo great and KT wouldn't catch him
Tyson V Marciano I plea the fifth, let's say I'm not siding with Tyson as his heart wouldn't hold up to the test I don't give a S*** how fast his hands were
Hearns V De La Hoya Tommy Hearns would win much like Trinidad
Mancini V Gatti BOOM BOOM by brutal KO
Hatton V Duran Wise choice, no offense to the Brits but Duran was just badass and Ricky's style plays to his advantages

Thanks for the analysis, they all would have been great fights.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm pretty bored so just some mythical fights. Who wins, why? Whenever you think these guys were at their best, for example, McGirt of the Simon Brown or Pernell fights, whenever. If you don't care about the lighter weights just don't answer them.

Terry Norris-Shane Mosley at 154
Miguel Cotto-Buddy McGirt at 147
Hearns-Pernell Whitaker at 147
Ivan Calderon-Rosendo Alvarez at 105
Mark Johnson-Jorge Arce at 112
Azumah Nelson-Juan Manuel Marquez at 126. Or 130, either way I guess.

Some of these I think are mismatches like the first one, the second(I think McGirt would get beaten badly), Pernell by the time he got to welterweight would have been destroyed by Hearns just because he was too old. If a younger Whitaker had gone up there I would probably have it closer.

Other fights
Whitaker vs Meldrick Taylor 135-140
Roy Jones Jr. vs Hagler, rematch Hopkins, Nunn, Leonard, Robinson 160
Roy Jones Jr. vs rematch Toney or fighting Calzaghe, Eubanks, McClellan in his prime 168
Roy Jones Jr. vs Ezzard Charles, Billy Conn, Michael Spinks 175
Ali-Lewis HW
Tyson vs Frazier HW
Holyfield vs Frazier HW
Pep vs Hank Armstrong 125
Robinson vs Leonard 147
Mayweather vs Whitaker 135
Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor 135-140
Holmes vs Prime Ali HW
Shavers vsTyson HW
Ibeabuchi or Tua vs Foreman
Duran vs JCC 140
Duran vs Pryor 140
JLC vs. JCC 135
Monzon vs Hagler 160

Good list but did you know JLC was JCC's Sparring partner.