Thread: If your not a Cotto fan by now, chances are you'll never be.

I'd like to start off by saying.
Congratulations to Miguel on a job well done.


I really don't understand some of you here. Cotto fought a helluva fight, he punished SSM he hit him with left's, right's. Can you believe 5 rounds past bye before Cotto actually threw a meaningful body shot? Can you believe Cotto was beating SSM with his jab?
Can you believe SSM was the body puncher in this fight? Can you believe Cotto was the boxer in this fight?

I mean this is some crazy stuff here it's like they both said you know I'm gonna go out there and beat him at his own game. SSM said I'm gonna go to the body. Cotto said I'm gonna land my jab at will. The crazy part about it is that they both did just that. As I watched the fight I could not believe what I was seeing. People here said:

Cotto was too robotical
He's one dimensional
Hes to slow
His chin won't hold up to SSM's power
(All of the above are normally said pre-Cotto fights)


Well Cotto wasn't robotical, he wasn't one dimensional, he looked pretty damn fast and even faster then SSM at times, his chin held up pretty damn nice. He took some shot's and took 'em well held his own and fought back.
What makes me laugh is the posters here who say "Cottos one dimensional" and yet Cotto was able to brawl with SSM and beat him. Cotto was able to box SSM and beat him. The fight finishes and the same posters who said he was one dimensional came on here and complain about him boxing and moving.... WTF So you say he's one dimensional but when he shows you he can also throw his jab, stick and move you complain that he ran?

How about Cotto the robot? Did anyone see "Robocop" in the ring last night? I didn't I saw Cotto thumping SSM face with that hard left jab and following it up with a straight right hand. Cotto new that SSM wasn't gonna give him the body shot openings he knew it from the go that's why Cotto didn't go there. So Cotto knew from the get go exactly what he needed to do and he did. So Cotto boxes 'Non-Robotical' and again people here say he lost the fight he looked weak, that's not the Cotto that we've seen.
Well people you can't win all your fights by KO, and in a fire work show fashion. If you saw Cottos post fight interview he himself said I knew/realized I wasn't gonna KO him. I noticed he kept coming forward and he wasn't gonna stop so I did what I had to do to finish off my job, I knew I was ahead so I knew I needed to box well in the last rounds and he did.

How about Cottos slow handspeed? Well his handspeed looked really good. Oh! but wait let me guess that's cause SSM past his best and is old and wasn't in the fight? But I bet if SSM would have gotten the decision Cotto wouldn't be shit right about now huh? Exactly. People need to learn to stop back peddleing and learn to stop contradicting themselves.

Last but not least, Cottos Chinny Chin Chin.... Huge right hands by SSM that hit Cotto and he took them well. The uppercuts we're fucken sweet, but again Cotto took them well. I got nervous when I saw Cottos lip re-opened from the Zab fight I said oh! shit I hope they can stop/minimize the bleeding and keep it to a minimum or else SSM's gonna keep throwing that uppercut and is gonna put Cotto down. But Cotto did well by keeping SSM active on other things.

Anyways.... I guess if your not a Cotto fan by now then you probably never will be. Which is fine but keep it real give credit where credit is due. I wasn't a Calzaghe fan but you gotta give credit to him man he boxed well. Cottos earned it and hes earned it the right way look at his record and his quality of opposition it speaks for it'self. The kids the truth and he's shut many people up. He's no longer robotical, one dimensional and or slow, his chin has held up well. Wether he can beat PBF is yet to be seen. I mean stranger things have happened, who knows we might get to see Cotto vs. Margarito 1st and if Margarito comes out the same way we saw him come out last night... Shit!!! Who know's what'll happen.

Well he made a fan out of me. I was saying to one of my mates about the 2nd or 3rd "watch Shane go to the body now.Cotto can't box like shane".....How wrong i was.

I was pretty stunned by Cotto's Handspeed aswell.Shane looked like lightning from the opening bell so when cotto was getting his jab goin im there like WTF?

Ive not seen huge amounts of cotto but i didin't think he had those skills.Looking forward to his next fight.

Watch it again and hear Kellerman all night, he was ridiculous.

I saw it in mute ( on shanes favor) since people shout at anything and commentators such as lampley call ghost punches. 116 - 112 Cotto no doubt. specially round 9

The reason people say all of this about Cotto is because they have not followed Cotto from the begining. They have not seen all of his fights. I have and for the most part I know what Cotto is capeable of doing. I think we can throw the chin thing out the window for now because I just watched the fight again and Shane hit Cotto so hard and yet Cotto just faught back and landed punches of his own. This must have been so very frustrating for Shane who believed what every other idiot was saying about Cotto's chin. All the idiots who said Cotto can only win by cheating due to his low blows, I guess we can throw that one out the window too because Cotto did not even go to the body. Cotto left his mark on both of Shane's cheeks. Did you see poor Shane's face? HA HA HA! Again, those who talk shiet about Miguel with their silly comments either don't know shiet about the sport or have only seen Cotto fight once or twice. I hate both of these kinds of people because both speak from ignorance and we see it but they can't and they continue to act like fanboys with out any knowledge of the game or the fighters in question. I might be a fanboy, but I know what the phuk I am talking about. Did you hear what some idiot said during the weigh-in? He yelled that Cotto was too short to beat Mosley I luaghed so hard at that lamers comments and I am still laughing about that one. Great thread bro. CC

BTW..
I can't believe you moved my thread about Shane's Kids. CuteMeMick, you know what thread I am talking about. Stop moving my posts or I will tell your homie p4p to start pm'ing the noise out of you.

OH shit you guys are up early. I just got out of work 3rd shift

at least at the time of this post is around 4:53AM

Very nicely put Mick, as always. Haven't had a sober look at the fight yet but have some hazy recollections. The things you say all seem to fit with my memory of the fight and even though i haven't followed Cotto as long as DannyG I have noticed a tendency for whoever Cotto fights to have their supporters come out and say the same thing. I reckon you could almost superimpose the comments before the Judah fight over the Mosely fight because people seemed to be saying the same thing. But Cotto did what was needed to beat 2 fighters who were meant to be faster than anyone and hit him harder than he's ever been hit. He still won and both guys didn't want a bar of him after the fights. Credit is due.

where is the Score cards are they out yet?

Can't remember. Have a copy here at home and if someone doesn't get in before me i'll check the end and post it for you.

CC Mick and DG in 24. Totally agree. Alot of posters were made to eat crow by Miguel and some we have not heard from. To the ones that have given Miguel his credit,good on you.Give credit where it's due. It was a huge leap up in competition for Miguel and he showed he belonged.

Originally Posted by Danny_G

The reason people say all of this about Cotto is because they have not followed Cotto from the begining. They have not seen all of his fights. I have and for the most part I know what Cotto is capeable of doing. I think we can throw the chin thing out the window for now because I just watched the fight again and Shane hit Cotto so hard and yet Cotto just faught back and landed punches of his own. This must have been so very frustrating for Shane who believed what every other idiot was saying about Cotto's chin. All the idiots who said Cotto can only win by cheating due to his low blows, I guess we can throw that one out the window too because Cotto did not even go to the body. Cotto left his mark on both of Shane's cheeks. Did you see poor Shane's face? HA HA HA! Again, those who talk shiet about Miguel with their silly comments either don't know shiet about the sport or have only seen Cotto fight once or twice. I hate both of these kinds of people because both speak from ignorance and we see it but they can't and they continue to act like fanboys with out any knowledge of the game or the fighters in question. I might be a fanboy, but I know what the phuk I am talking about. Did you hear what some idiot said during the weigh-in? He yelled that Cotto was too short to beat Mosley I luaghed so hard at that lamers comments and I am still laughing about that one. Great thread bro. CC

BTW..
I can't believe you moved my thread about Shane's Kids. CuteMeMick, you know what thread I am talking about. Stop moving my posts or I will tell your homie p4p to start pm'ing the noise out of you.

The highlighted parts are most accurate indeed. Cotto fights on the backfoot,and he's hurt? I know for a FACT that those people have not seen alot of him. Oh and I read before this fight,Shane has broader shoulders,he's going to win. Oh and the best one are the asswipes,they know how they are,who said Cotto could only win via lowblows. Cotto blasted Shane to the face all night,beat him.

I in no way mean this to be insulting to the true Shane fans,the ones who gave him his credit.This post is aimed at those who do not give Miguel his credit or were belittling his chances for no apparent reason other then atheir dislike for him and love for Floyd.They are NOT true Shane fans.

Originally Posted by Puya

where is the Score cards are they out yet?

OK SORRY that i don't know the judges names. But the scores were 115-113 115-113 116-113 all to Cotto in a UD.

CC man I just want it to see what rounds were given by who

Thanks to all of you who replied.
CC's have been awarded.

I think I speak for the Cotto fans when I say bring on some more areas that you feel Cotto lacks in.
Cause guess what? So that next time around when he shuts people up AGAIN both you and I will be surprised together.

It's one thing to take note of a fighters weaknesses but when a fighter goes out and proves that he can minimize those weaknesses and convert into an all around fighter. What else do you want?

He KO's people, the opponent was overrated.
He outboxe's people, Cotto lost because he ran. That's not the Cotto that we've seen he's scared now.

Make up your mind. It's alright not to be fan. I ain't no PBF but I sure as hell know hes the best boxer of his/this generation.

CC Mick
you are right. i guess thats a big part of the problem.
alot of peole here have not seen Cotto's early fights so they say the first thing that comes into mind when you see a fighter do something different for the first time, that they were hurt or that they ran ect. ect. but like you and some others i've seen Cotto since his beginning, olympic and a couple amature fights so we all know what he has and can bring to the table. i guess thats why we are such hardcore fans!!

Originally Posted by Mike_Tha_Man

CC Mick
you are right. i guess thats a big part of the problem.
alot of peole here have not seen Cotto's early fights so they say the first thing that comes into mind when you see a fighter do something different for the first time, that they were hurt or that they ran ect. ect. but like you and some others i've seen Cotto since his beginning, olympic and a couple amature fights so we all know what he has and can bring to the table. i guess thats why we are such hardcore fans!!

CC#49 mike good to see you on here man.....
2008 is gonna be a great year for Cotto if the SSM fight was considered career defining.... Wow!!

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I'd like to start off by saying.
Congratulations to Miguel on a job well done.


I really don't understand some of you here. Cotto fought a helluva fight, he punished SSM he hit him with left's, right's. Can you believe 5 rounds past bye before Cotto actually threw a meaningful body shot? Can you believe Cotto was beating SSM with his jab?
Can you believe SSM was the body puncher in this fight? Can you believe Cotto was the boxer in this fight?

I mean this is some crazy stuff here it's like they both said you know I'm gonna go out there and beat him at his own game. SSM said I'm gonna go to the body. Cotto said I'm gonna land my jab at will. The crazy part about it is that they both did just that. As I watched the fight I could not believe what I was seeing. People here said:

Cotto was too robotical
He's one dimensional
Hes to slow
His chin won't hold up to SSM's power
(All of the above are normally said pre-Cotto fights)


Well Cotto wasn't robotical, he wasn't one dimensional, he looked pretty damn fast and even faster then SSM at times, his chin held up pretty damn nice. He took some shot's and took 'em well held his own and fought back.
What makes me laugh is the posters here who say "Cottos one dimensional" and yet Cotto was able to brawl with SSM and beat him. Cotto was able to box SSM and beat him. The fight finishes and the same posters who said he was one dimensional came on here and complain about him boxing and moving.... WTF So you say he's one dimensional but when he shows you he can also throw his jab, stick and move you complain that he ran?

How about Cotto the robot? Did anyone see "Robocop" in the ring last night? I didn't I saw Cotto thumping SSM face with that hard left jab and following it up with a straight right hand. Cotto new that SSM wasn't gonna give him the body shot openings he knew it from the go that's why Cotto didn't go there. So Cotto knew from the get go exactly what he needed to do and he did. So Cotto boxes 'Non-Robotical' and again people here say he lost the fight he looked weak, that's not the Cotto that we've seen.
Well people you can't win all your fights by KO, and in a fire work show fashion. If you saw Cottos post fight interview he himself said I knew/realized I wasn't gonna KO him. I noticed he kept coming forward and he wasn't gonna stop so I did what I had to do to finish off my job, I knew I was ahead so I knew I needed to box well in the last rounds and he did.

How about Cottos slow handspeed? Well his handspeed looked really good. Oh! but wait let me guess that's cause SSM past his best and is old and wasn't in the fight? But I bet if SSM would have gotten the decision Cotto wouldn't be S*** right about now huh? Exactly. People need to learn to stop back peddleing and learn to stop contradicting themselves.

Last but not least, Cottos Chinny Chin Chin.... Huge right hands by SSM that hit Cotto and he took them well. The uppercuts we're fucken sweet, but again Cotto took them well. I got nervous when I saw Cottos lip re-opened from the Zab fight I said oh! S*** I hope they can stop/minimize the bleeding and keep it to a minimum or else SSM's gonna keep throwing that uppercut and is gonna put Cotto down. But Cotto did well by keeping SSM active on other things.

Anyways.... I guess if your not a Cotto fan by now then you probably never will be. Which is fine but keep it real give credit where credit is due. I wasn't a Calzaghe fan but you gotta give credit to him man he boxed well. Cottos earned it and hes earned it the right way look at his record and his quality of opposition it speaks for it'self. The kids the truth and he's shut many people up. He's no longer robotical, one dimensional and or slow, his chin has held up well. Wether he can beat PBF is yet to be seen. I mean stranger things have happened, who knows we might get to see Cotto vs. Margarito 1st and if Margarito comes out the same way we saw him come out last night... S***!!! Who know's what'll happen.

I don't see how you can't be a fan ?? he seems like nice respectful guy out of the ring and is P4P one of the most exciting fighters in the ring he never ducks any fighters and has shown a bit of everything like being able to switch southpaw brawl, counter, use jab effective ect.

Since this is like an appreciation thread i would like to name some of my favorite Cotto fights.

Miguel Cotto vs Victoriano Sosa

This was one of the first Cotto fights i saw he showed great patience and just basically whooped Sosa this was impressive considering how Sosa gave Mayweather a good arguement.

Miguel Cotto vs DeMarcus Corley

The first time i saw Cotto rocked i thought he was gone the way he was stubbling around the ring like a drunk man then he showed me good chin and great heart to comeback and beat the hell out of Corley.

Miguel Cotto vs Mohamad Abdulaev

I like this fight because Mohamad Abdulaev backed up Cotto and Cotto was forced to counter which he did in fine fashion he showed great boxing skills in this fight and Mohamad Abdulaev eye at the end damn.

Miguel Cotto vs Ricardo Torres

One of the most exciting fights ever Cotto was badly stunned and i thought no way he will survive this and was even dropped for the first time in his career even though it was a push i still thought Cotto was gone another display of Cotto's chin, heart, and exciting style this fight has it all.

Miguel Cotto vs Paul Malignaggi

I admired both men after this fight i thought Cotto beat a good skilled boxer like Paul Malignaggi well and it was one hell of a fight and also props for Paul Malignaggi because his face was a damn mess and he took some heavy blows.

Miguel Cotto vs Carlos Quintana

I remember alot of people were favoring Carlos Quintana in this fight and yet again Cotto beat a good slick southpaw in style.

Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah

Arguably this was Cotto's toughest challenge at the time and he broke Judah up in fine fashion taking his time sure he was rocked and showed flaws but he performed great and yet again this showed Cotto's good chin and great heart and also a great left jab.

Miguel Cotto vs Shane Mosley

I picked Mosley to win this one i thought Mosley's speed and power would be too much but boy was i wrong Cotto actually stood toe to toe with Mosley and even outboxed him in some rounds by using footwork and countering im glad Cotto proved me wrong and he did in fine fashion.