Thread: Should Richard Steel have stopped the Taylor-Chavez(1990) when he did?VOTE

One of the most controvercial moments in boxing history and a very hard call coz there was only afew second left in the fight but I think Steel did the right thing coz Taylor seemed totaly gone and would have just been a target for JJC in the seconds that were left.

I have seen this pole about 1000 times since the internet has become popular, and we probably will see it another 1000 times in the next 10-15 years, I know some of my boy's like Mick and VD dont agree with me but Taylor won that fight on that night, but Chavez did shot him

Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

I have seen this pole about 1000 times since the internet has become popular, and we probably will see it another 1000 times in the next 10-15 years, I know some of my boy's like Mick and VD dont agree with me but Taylor won that fight on that night, but Chavez did shot him

So was it a good stoppage or a bad one?

Originally Posted by porkypara

Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

I have seen this pole about 1000 times since the internet has become popular, and we probably will see it another 1000 times in the next 10-15 years, I know some of my boy's like Mick and VD dont agree with me but Taylor won that fight on that night, but Chavez did shot him

So was it a good stoppage or a bad one?

It was a horrible stoppage, I have seen boxers allowed to continue in alot worse shape than Taylor was, and that was with minutes left in the fight not just 2 seconds ( Trinidad VS Vargas, Trinidad Vs Reid, PBF VS Hatton after the first KD, Pavlik Vs Miranda, Lacy Vs Calazaghe,etc. I can name hundreds of them.

this is impeccable timing (good word that eh ??)

I watched this last night on youtube. In Steele's defence he didn't know how long was left in the fight and Taylor was hurt (but he didn't look that hurt to me ) - but then again apparently he should have seen the red flashing ten second indicator at ringside.

Another factor that HBO point out is that Lou Duva was distracting Taylor at ringside and Taylor was looking at him rather than the ref to make hinm look more disorientated ?!?!?


It's all here - watch for yourself

[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4fkqBvP244[/yt]

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

this is impeccable timing (good word that eh ??)

I watched this last night on youtube. In Steele's defence he didn't know how long was left in the fight and Taylor was hurt (but he didn't look that hurt to me ) - but then again apparently he should have seen the red flashing ten second indicator at ringside.

Another factor that HBO point out is that Lou Duva was distracting Taylor at ringside and Taylor was looking at him rather than the ref to make hinm look more disorientated ?!?!?


It's all here - watch for yourself

[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4fkqBvP244[/yt]

I have heard this a thousand times, DUVA distracted Taylor but in reality Stelle saw Duva jump on the ring just like Taylor did, he robbed him man and that's the bottom line

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

this is impeccable timing (good word that eh ??)

I watched this last night on youtube. In Steele's defence he didn't know how long was left in the fight and Taylor was hurt (but he didn't look that hurt to me ) - but then again apparently he should have seen the red flashing ten second indicator at ringside.

Another factor that HBO point out is that Lou Duva was distracting Taylor at ringside and Taylor was looking at him rather than the ref to make hinm look more disorientated ?!?!?


It's all here - watch for yourself

[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4fkqBvP244[/yt]

Does it realy mater how much time is left on the clock?

If the fighter is badly hurt amd cant defend himself the fight is over reguardless.

I agree with Porky. It should'nt matter how much time left. Taylor was all but Knocked out. You could say Steel robbed Taylor of a victory. But I ask you this. If Steel had known there were only secconds left and he had let them continue only because he knew Chavez would not have enough time to finish Taylor. Wouls not stopping it mean he robbed Chavez of a knock out?

Let me give you another scenario. Say fighter A is beating the crap out of fighter B. Fighter A has won every single round. Then with 5 secconds left he gets so frustrated he has not KOed fighter B that he talkles him to the flor and stats kicking him in the face. (Ok maybe this is a bit excesive). The ref stops the fight and DQs fighter A with only 1 seccond left. Would you say he robbed fighter A of a victory?

The point is that if you take any sport or any game or compotition and one opponent does something that means victory (in this case making your opponent unable to continue) then he should win regardless if there is 1 seccond left or 10 minutes left.

It was a completely bullshit stoppage imo.

What's so ironic about it though is that some people attempt to justify it on humane grounds and say it's the referee's job to protect a fighter from harm, but it was prescisely this bullshit stoppage that ruined Meldrick Taylor, led to himm fighting on too long and becoming a cruel victim of the sport sufferinf from brain damage in later life.

Chances are if Taylor would have won that fight he would have been satisfied and not continued on as long as he did.

Steele ruined Taylor.

Imagine being one of the poor bastards who put alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on Taylor to win the fight. The see saw, 1st he is clearly winning the fight by a landslide coming into the 12th with 30 some odd seconds left you see your cash seemingly get flushed by the knock down, just to see him get back up with a few seconds left and you get all your hope back in an instant, just to see it snuffed out again by Steele

Thats why I dont gamble on sports that would be my luck

If there was a rule in boxing that said "If a fighter can barely stand but there are a few seconds left, then he should just go for it and try to finish the fight on his feet" then I would agree that the stop was completely unfair but nope, the rules say that if the fighter cannot answer the referee's call, looks unable to continue, etc. Then the fight it is stopped. That's it! Meldrit Taylor simply couldn't answer the referees call, could barely stand, etc. Blaming it on Duva is a bit weak. Sure, lots of Americans hate JC Chavez but I don't see how this stop was completely wrong.

it was prescisely this bullshit stoppage that ruined Meldrick Taylor

Naaaaaaaaah, it was the beating JC Chavez handed him. Look at his face after the fight and you can barely recognize him. Even when Duva is jumping like a maniac in the ring Meldrick's face is like "Uuuuuuuh, where's the cement mixer that just ran over me?"

Chances are if Taylor would have won that fight he would have been satisfied and not continued on as long as he did.

Where did you get this psychological stuff? Didn't Taylor thank Steel later on for the stoppage?

1st he is clearly winning the fight by a landslide coming into the 12th with 30 some odd seconds left you see your cash seemingly get flushed by the knock down, just to see him get back up with a few seconds left and you get all your hope back in an instant, just to see it snuffed out again by Steele
Thats why I dont gamble on sports that would be my luck

Oh man! I can imagine the same thing! I would pull my hair off. But that is what makes the sport of boxing exciting. A single punch can change the outcome. Chavez landed that punch right on the spot and Taylor simply coulnd't continue.

The fact that it is so debated and still talked about perhaps even too much tells me something was not right about what happened. People see it from different sides but that has got to be one of the worst stoppages i've seen. Very shady if you ask me. Technically chavez won within the time given so he definalty deserved to win but the circumstances were really horrible.

Yes, Taylor was ahead on points while Chavez was slowly destroying him.

Steele: ARE YOU OK?!?!
Taylor: Uuuuuuuuuuuh
Steele: ARE YOU OK?!?!
Taylor: ...Uuuuuuuuuuuuh

I didn't find shady the fact that Taylor simply couldn't continue unless the rules of boxing say that a boxer should be let to continue if a few seconds are left. They guy simply didn't answer the referee's call and those are the rules of boxing. Can't answer the referee? Then you are done.

Originally Posted by Chino

Yes, Taylor was ahead on points while Chavez was slowly destroying him.

Steele: ARE YOU OK?!?!
Taylor: Uuuuuuuuuuuh
Steele: ARE YOU OK?!?!
Taylor: ...Uuuuuuuuuuuuh

I didn't find shady the fact that Taylor simply couldn't continue unless the rules of boxing say that a boxer should be let to continue if a few seconds are left. They guy simply didn't answer the referee's call and those are the rules of boxing. Can't answer the referee? Then you are done.

Taylor nodded his head to Steele's question.

Nodding the head is not enough, fighter has to answer and SHOW HE CAN STILL FIGHT or let alone, stand. Anybody who saw the fight knows Taylor simply couldn't continue. People don't argue that, people argue that there were only a few seconds left. Taylor obviously didn't have a drop of gas left in the tank. Face was unrecognizable, could barely stand, couldn't answer the referee's call, etc.