Thread: Hagler v Sugar Ray

I went through most of my life believing that Marvin Hagler was robbed against Sugar Ray Leonard, however after watching the fight again in a lot more detail I actually surprised myself in scoring SRL as the winner of the fight, Hagler threw away a lot of rounds especially the first few boxing as a southpaw. I actually scored the fight 117-113 to SRL

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I thought Ray won by a round or two.

Was going to do a poll about this.

AGAIN!

I think Ray also threw alot of rounds away by running and fighting like an amateur I had for Hagler 8 rounds to 4

Every time I score it I have it 6 rounds a piece, Hagler gave some vital rounds away early.

Originally Posted by jmbtandy

I went through most of my life believing that Marvin Hagler was robbed against Sugar Ray Leonard, however after watching the fight again in a lot more detail I actually surprised myself in scoring SRL as the winner of the fight, Hagler threw away a lot of rounds especially the first few boxing as a southpaw. I actually scored the fight 117-113 to SRL

If anyone is interested in reading how I scored it

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117-113 is way too wide IMO it was a very close fight and no more than 2 rounds in it either way. Hagler was stupid and over confident in the first 4 rounds he tried to box Leonard instead of attacking, and if i remember right he was even fighting orthodox instead of Southpaw for a lot of the first 4 rounds, i personally had the fight a draw, Leonard won the first 4 rounds clearly IMO, and Hagler come on strong in the middle rounds, Hagler was 1 point up going into the 12th, but Leonard out punched Hagler in the 12th to get a draw. But if the fight had been 15 rounds like it should of been until Leonard changed that, Leonard would of been stopped round about the 14th round.

I had it 115-113 Leonard

Here is how I had it


Leonard 10 ROUND1 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND2 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND3 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND4 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND5 Leonard 9
Leonard 10 ROUND6 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND7 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND8 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND9 Leonard 9
EVEN 10 ROUND10 EVEN 10
Leonard 10 ROUND11 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND12 Leonard 9



Leonard 115- 114 Hagler

at the time i bet on Ray , and i also thought he won , but looking back it was a harsh was to loses a title after such along time , maybe a draw would have been fairer as it was hard to score.The crowd played a pretty big part also.

Never thought it was anywhere near a robbery. Just a lot of people that either disliked Ray personally or his fighting style as it compared to Hagler's.

I had SRL winning by a round although I wanted Hagler to hurt him bad at the time. After watching that fight a few times over the years SRL was a great boxer who knew how to nick a fight, showy flurries and great footwork made Hagler look slow at times. One thing I still dont understand is Haglers corner the Pettroneli brothers total lack of passion, you could see SRL was nicking rounds and they never told him he had too really put the pressure on and Knock out SRL to win the fight. It also should of been a fifteen round fight.

I believe Hagler thought he would beat him and even stop him, he smiled at him in one round when he landed a big punch and saw Leonard hurt but Leonard bravely fought on and nicked rounds because they were amazed at what he was doing.

My stance has always been this:

I thought Hagler narrowly won the fight.. I believe I scored it 115-114.

That being said, I think Halger has only himself to blame for the fight being so close and therefore left up to the judges. He fought tentative early on, when he should have been pressuring Leonard right from the opening bell.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

My stance has always been this:

I thought Hagler narrowly won the fight.. I believe I scored it 115-114.

That being said, I think Halger has only himself to blame for the fight being so close and therefore left up to the judges. He fought tentative early on, when he should have been pressuring Leonard right from the opening bell.

That was Hagler's aggorance he hated Leonard so he wanted to try and embarrass Leonard by showing him that he could out box him as well as out brawl him etc. But that cost him big time he should of used that hate in a different way by going all out and swarm all over him from the opening bell.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by SweetPea

My stance has always been this:

I thought Hagler narrowly won the fight.. I believe I scored it 115-114.

That being said, I think Halger has only himself to blame for the fight being so close and therefore left up to the judges. He fought tentative early on, when he should have been pressuring Leonard right from the opening bell.

That was Hagler's aggorance he hated Leonard so he wanted to try and embarrass Leonard by showing him that he could out box him as well as out brawl him etc. But that cost him big time he should of used that hate in a different way by going all out and swarm all over him from the opening bell.

ICE you are not far from the truth , i always felt Marvin's comments about KNOCKING Ray out whenever he chose to ,hence as you say he gave away the first few rounds boxing orthadox trying to out box Ray ,this really made a difference to the scoring as of course Ray went the distance , which in turn round by round the crowed shouted more for Ray , which always makes the judges think about whos winning close rounds.

I didn't know till last night that Leonard was coming off a fucking 5 year layoff! I thought it was only like 1 or 2 tops, but 5 years!!!

Regardless of the BS decision or what you wanna call it, he fought impressievely for comin off such inactivity.