Thread: I got a question.....

Hello ALL.

My name is Robert aka. CutMeMick. I frequent the Boxing Talk, Let's Get It On among other boards the most. I've come here several times to read, I read a lot. I'm a learner I'm here to read and not post on this forum as you guys are the experts here. Except for alex_w...

Abyway....

Well today I odered this puppy:

Heavy Duty Triple Threat Gym


So my question is....
What do I do with it?

Being that I'm sure you guys know your way better through this Forum then me. I was hoping you'd guys could direct me to some threads on here that I could use for when my gym arrives.

I've also got a treadmill, excersice bike, jump rope and some weights.

I pretty much know the different types of excersices I can do with the equipment I've got. But I don't know where to start.

What I want to do is set up a routine that I can do. I should mention this ONLY for me to stay fit I am NOT doing this because I want to box. I know swimming is one of the best ways to stay fit but unfortunately I couldn't afford building a swimming pool in my house so I had to settle for the gym.

So I hope someone can help me out here in designing a routine that best suits me.

Thanks in advanced,
Mick

uhhh...u pay for that thing already?

Originally Posted by Youngblood

uhhh...u pay for that thing already?

Yes, why?

My question is where is your online training log you had.

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

My question is where is your online training log you had.

I couldn't keep up with it...

I'm downloading, listening to music, watching tv and chatting all at once.

Remember to put my picks in, topics I want to respond to, topics I want to start...

Okay, well I would probably suggest you look at separating the items in most situations, for several reasons. I suspect it may be handy and practical for space saving.

Part of why I would recommend the separation is the bag itself for starts. At 70lb you may find yourself knocking it around quite easily, and fast. I do not know your physical size, but a 100+ bag is usually a good place to start.

I do notice that it is a dbl end bag, so this may counter act it's weight some.

Is space an issue? Would you consider separating, or is it too late?

Originally Posted by Youngblood

Okay, well I would probably suggest you look at separating the items in most situations, for several reasons. I suspect it may be handy and practical for space saving.

Part of why I would recommend the separation is the bag itself for starts. At 70lb you may find yourself knocking it around quite easily, and fast. I do not know your physical size, but a 100+ bag is usually a good place to start.

I do notice that it is a dbl end bag, so this may counter act it's weight some.

Is space an issue? Would you consider separating, or is it too late?

Space is not an issue I've got a big work out room I've set up in my backyard.

Okay, well I have banged one of those around, and if I have a choice I am definately separating them. I really think you might want to consider a heavier free floating bag that has proper action.

This goes for the other items too. You want the ability to move around them. An item like that, nice as it looks coming in one piece, and I am guessing practical for a lot of people, is not IMO ideal to someone where space is not an issue.

As you stated tho, you are doing this mainly for the exercise and also I suppose that needs to be factored in.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Hello ALL.

What I want to do is set up a routine that I can do. I should mention this ONLY for me to stay fit I am NOT doing this because I want to box. I know swimming is one of the best ways to stay fit but unfortunately I couldn't afford building a swimming pool in my house so I had to settle for the gym.

So I hope someone can help me out here in designing a routine that best suits me.

Hi Robert, or should I say Mick.

I don't think that you're missing a thing (with the exception of some spandex, leg warmers and a copy of Derrek's Dance Grooves). All you need now is time and a routine to put it all together.

Now even though you're just looking to stay in shape, if you have a home boxing gym you should spend the extra effort learning how to punch properly. Trust me your shoulders and elbows will thank you later.

Once you got punching down you can start to work on the bags. Start off with a warmup of dynamic stretches for your neck, arms, shoulders and legs, top it off with a round or two of jumpring rope. Now that you're all fired up and ready to go you can start with a couple of rounds on the heavybag, a couple of rounds on the speed bag.

How does that sound for starters?

I know that besides looking at the clock, that it can be a pain in the ass to keep track of how much time goes into a round. So, I recommend downloading an the rounds in mp3. You can get download it from this link that you can thank me for not deleting from my favorites: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N2BNCJUQ -Just go to the folder named "minute drills" and add it to your itunes and you'll be all set. You can work in 3 minute rounds or two minute rounds, whatever you're willing to do.

You don't have to do this routine everyday, you can do this 3 days a week with a day in between each, or alternate doing weights on those days you're not punching.

Let me know what you think of it and how you can manage, and we can always go back and fill in the gaps later, such how to punch properly, how to set up a weight lifting program that won't kill you, etc.

P.S. Instead of a swimming pool I would have opted for a jacuzzi. You can always break even by giving your friends snorkling lessons. It's also cool to have a small fridge right in arms reach no matter what the occasion.

Originally Posted by Chris Nagel

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Hello ALL.

What I want to do is set up a routine that I can do. I should mention this ONLY for me to stay fit I am NOT doing this because I want to box. I know swimming is one of the best ways to stay fit but unfortunately I couldn't afford building a swimming pool in my house so I had to settle for the gym.

So I hope someone can help me out here in designing a routine that best suits me.

Hi Robert, or should I say Mick.

I don't think that you're missing a thing (with the exception of some spandex, leg warmers and a copy of Derrek's Dance Grooves). All you need now is time and a routine to put it all together.

Now even though you're just looking to stay in shape, if you have a home boxing gym you should spend the extra effort learning how to punch properly. Trust me your shoulders and elbows will thank you later.

Once you got punching down you can start to work on the bags. Start off with a warmup of dynamic stretches for your neck, arms, shoulders and legs, top it off with a round or two of jumpring rope. Now that you're all fired up and ready to go you can start with a couple of rounds on the heavybag, a couple of rounds on the speed bag.

How does that sound for starters?

I know that besides looking at the clock, that it can be a pain in the ass to keep track of how much time goes into a round. So, I recommend downloading an the rounds in mp3. You can get download it from this link that you can thank me for not deleting from my favorites: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N2BNCJUQ -Just go to the folder named "minute drills" and add it to your itunes and you'll be all set. You can work in 3 minute rounds or two minute rounds, whatever you're willing to do.

You don't have to do this routine everyday, you can do this 3 days a week with a day in between each, or alternate doing weights on those days you're not punching.

Let me know what you think of it and how you can manage, and we can always go back and fill in the gaps later, such how to punch properly, how to set up a weight lifting program that won't kill you, etc.

P.S. Instead of a swimming pool I would have opted for a jacuzzi. You can always break even by giving your friends snorkling lessons. It's also cool to have a small fridge right in arms reach no matter what the occasion.

Thanks a lot for your input Chris I really appreciate it. I'm downloading now the 3 min drill you put up. Thanks a lot for that also.

I've already got a jacuzzi I bought 2 years ago unfotunately tho the little fridge is not in arms reach it's actually a few feet away.

Again thanks for your help and look forward to chatting with you on some other things.

Being fit can mean so many different things really. What would make you feel fit and what kind of results would you be happy with?

I mean while I'd never really be into it some guys just want to be as HUGE as possible. Some just want to be lean and ripped. Some want to participate in more outdoor activities etc which will be easier with a good base level of cardiovascular fitness.

You might want to do enough resistance work to maintain good long term bone density and enough cardio to go out and play a game of social soccer or basketball or whatever.

You don't have to have really competitive goals but it helps to have goals to keep in mind when you plan your training. I think you might find it easier to decide what training to do and be more motivated to do it if you know specifically what results you're aiming for. You'll see the point of each individual exercise.

Also how much time do you want to spend training?

Have you used one of these before Chris? I'm still going to try to convince you to split it up CutMeMick, Robert.

Why I am doing this is that I have tried them, and I did find it awkward. I did find myself tripping over the bottom stand, and that the feel of it wasn't what I had hoped. It may have been because I was already accustomed to a free swinging heavy bag andit'sweight, and dbl bag. and likely the space for movement around them. Not sure.

In any case, hope to hear about your progression in training.

Originally Posted by Sharla

Being fit can mean so many different things really. What would make you feel fit and what kind of results would you be happy with?

I mean while I'd never really be into it some guys just want to be as HUGE as possible. Some just want to be lean and ripped. Some want to participate in more outdoor activities etc which will be easier with a good base level of cardiovascular fitness.

Lean and fit.
I just want to look good and feel good about my body. I used to be able to take off my shirt and look good now I hesitate to do it. I still look OK but I'm not as lean as before and I want that back.
I weigh 173 lbs. and I want to loose the little tires that have begun to form around my waist.
I would be happy droping down to at least 150 and looking fit.

Originally Posted by Sharla

You might want to do enough resistance work to maintain good long term bone density and enough cardio to go out and play a game of social soccer or basketball or whatever.

You don't have to have really competitive goals but it helps to have goals to keep in mind when you plan your training. I think you might find it easier to decide what training to do and be more motivated to do it if you know specifically what results you're aiming for. You'll see the point of each individual exercise.

Also how much time do you want to spend training?

I def. have some goals set I also know that maitaning my body fit and looking good is the harder part of it. I play soccer every Sunday and usually when I come hope I'll lift some weights and or do some push ups or sit ups.

One thing I know and I know for sure is I've got good stamina. I know that much...

How can you circle or use any kind of footwork on a system like this? This set up will cause you to be a very stationary, 2-D, straight line fighter as its disallows your ability to move around the bag.

I notice a lot of guys just standing in front of the bag and throwing punches which strikes me as strange since in boxing you are never fighting against an opponent that just stands still for you.

Well as someone who has good stamina you could potentially use that to your advantage and have one long cardio session a week - working up to 2 or 2.5 hours. You'd want to perhaps alternate between the bike and the treadmill in say 20 min lots. That could help burn some fat and teach your body to metabilise fat a little more efficiently.

There's no point in thinking about that if you don't want to spend that much time in one session and get bored easily though. You'd also need to keep up your weights to prevent you just getting smaller rather than leaner which can happen.

Sounds like you enjoy resistancw work which you could keep up but just work out a structure which would suit you time wise. General principles which you already know would be not to work the same muscle group 2 days in a row so you could either do your whole body in a weights session and skip a day or two or break your body up into muscle groups to do a shorter session more often.

Cardio wise I think it'd be good to get into the habit of doing some say at least 3 probably 4 times a week but that could include your soccer game and unless you decide you enjoy it enough to go down the endurance path wouldn't need to take more than 30 mins.

If you want to do sprints - say to improve your explosive ability for soccer you'd want say at least a 15 minute easy warm up before doing intense intervals. Depending on the max speed of your treadmill you might be able to do some short sprints on that and I guess your exercise bike too if the resistance isn't set too high.

I wouldn't recommend mroe than 2 sprint sessions a week and since you probably sprint a lot playing soccer one is maybe more realistic - just make it a good one.

You'd already know Scrap's threads are good for stretches.

You can work the bags in a similar way. You might have short, hard rounds on your bag to really get your heart rate up with timed rests.

You will find that with pushups and boxing etc you use and strenthen your chest muscles a lot. To counterbalance that you will need to put some emphasis on your back when you do weights. It will also help to keep you from developing a hunched posture which will make your stomach look fattier than it really is.

Chin ups are great for your back plus some light dumbell exercises - on hands and knees, dumbell in one hand and raise laterally and return in a controlled fashion to feel the muscles right in the middle of your back. Light weight is best otherwise you use the wrong muscles which won't really help your posture.

You might want to check out the bodyweight exercises thread that Hitmanddony put up - there are heaps of good exercises in there.

I'd also do a search on plyometrics because they'd be great for your soccer to I imagine. You just need to make sure you have a safe surface for plyometrics and skipping. Doing those exercises on normal floors WILL damage you. You'll get shin splints and potentially back problems - i knew a guy who had to stop boxing for a while because he fractured his back this way! It sucked for him because he'd just won a national junior title and was doing really well!

If you don't have sprung floorboards you might be able to pick up some rubber matting made for this purpose somewhere.