Thread: punches

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Youve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shot

Yeah, I understand.

As for the body, I've taken to throwing the hook "palm in" as I can change it to an uppercut to get around the elbow, if needs be...That ok?

Oh yeah,thats allmost the way your supposed to be throwing it,but get your rythm down on the shot on the bag,because if you change your mind to late,it also torques bloody hell out of your wrist. You kind of want a body uppercut to be coming at an upword angle,so you have to decide in time to get your hand situated,especially on your weak hand, otherwise,your setting yourself up for long term issues with your wrists.
Thats the kind of thing you practice on the bag

Sounds like I'm getting something right then!

What is interesting is how as someone mentioned before, how boxing is in one way akin to golf. When the moon and stars all align exactly right in body movement and the torquing and twisting of hand, arm, shoulder, feet, etc, happens...it is those shots that when done properly, have the most power to cause our opponents injury. To cause blood to fly and send people to sleep, and yet feel effortless . You don't feel it in your hand, or your wrist, or any part of your body...but just hear the spectacular smack, thud or see the planking of your opponents body and the eyes go gazy and you know you just did it. You just threw a punch as close to perfect as possible, much like that of a perfect golf swing. And it feels great.

Originally Posted by Youngblood

What is interesting is how as someone mentioned before, how boxing is in one way akin to golf. When the moon and stars all align exactly right in body movement and the torquing and twisting of hand, arm, shoulder, feet, etc, happens...it is those shots that when done properly, have the most power to cause our opponents injury. To cause blood to fly and send people to sleep, and yet feel effortless . You don't feel it in your hand, or your wrist, or any part of your body...but just hear the spectacular smack, thud or see the planking of your oppenents body and the eyes go gazy and you know you just did it. You just threw a punch as close to perfect as possible, much like that of a perfect golf swing. And it feels great.

Great point.

I find I hit hardest when I throw a nice easy punch, but it collides with the opponent when at full extension and the bones in my arm are straight when i connect. This transaltes to a nice loose punch causing an opponents head to snap back...weird.

snap is what you want, pushing is ok but even with the straight right ya gotta turn it over and snap it in and away...otherwise you push and that don't hit so hard. i think maybe that is the weakness of a lot of hooks, no snap and over extension... just a thought

Originally Posted by iceman

snap is what you want, pushing is ok but even with the straight right ya gotta turn it over and snap it in and away...otherwise you push and that don't hit so hard. i think maybe that is the weakness of a lot of hooks, no snap and over extension... just a thought

True enough and you can't snap a straight with elbow bent.

no but sometimes there are ways to build power or you sacrifice for a set up...some days ya gotta chop a man down..

Originally Posted by iceman

no but sometimes there are ways to build power or you sacrifice for a set up...some days ya gotta chop a man down..

I believe I understand what you mean.

Sometimes I negelect throwing the straight right perfectly, hoping it will land when halfway extended...this allows me to drap inside with hooks.

Is that waht you were alluding to?

yeah lots of trainers tell me there is no right hook, it is aa sloppy straight right...i say i can throw it anyway i want as long as it is the proper tool for the job...a wrench can hammer but it is better for tightening screws...an overhand is kinda sloppy but it targets a certain target of limited opportunity... a left hook may not always have the power of a straight right, but it has a definite place in your arsenal and all the real good boxers, seemed to have a good jab, good hook good straight etc...there of course are always exceptions, but as the coach says do this then if something comes up....that will be ultimately your style...look at how many try to imitate and can't quite pull it off...gotta in the end find your own path and be open to it.

Originally Posted by iceman

yeah lots of trainers tell me there is no right hook, it is aa sloppy straight right...i say i can throw it anyway i want as long as it is the proper tool for the job...a wrench can hammer but it is better for tightening screws...an overhand is kinda sloppy but it targets a certain target of limited opportunity... a left hook may not always have the power of a straight right, but it has a definite place in your arsenal and all the real good boxers, seemed to have a good jab, good hook good straight etc...there of course are always exceptions, but as the coach says do this then if something comes up....that will be ultimately your style...look at how many try to imitate and can't quite pull it off...gotta in the end find your own path and be open to it.

I had neglected my right hook for a long time. But with my shoulder my straight right is like an overhand anyway.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by iceman

yeah lots of trainers tell me there is no right hook, it is aa sloppy straight right...i say i can throw it anyway i want as long as it is the proper tool for the job...a wrench can hammer but it is better for tightening screws...an overhand is kinda sloppy but it targets a certain target of limited opportunity... a left hook may not always have the power of a straight right, but it has a definite place in your arsenal and all the real good boxers, seemed to have a good jab, good hook good straight etc...there of course are always exceptions, but as the coach says do this then if something comes up....that will be ultimately your style...look at how many try to imitate and can't quite pull it off...gotta in the end find your own path and be open to it.

I had neglected my right hook for a long time. But with my shoulder my straight right is like an overhand anyway.

Really,when I do spar or box anymore thats my fave shot,it hooks in best with hip snap,so its the easiest shot to cause damage with

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by iceman

yeah lots of trainers tell me there is no right hook, it is aa sloppy straight right...i say i can throw it anyway i want as long as it is the proper tool for the job...a wrench can hammer but it is better for tightening screws...an overhand is kinda sloppy but it targets a certain target of limited opportunity... a left hook may not always have the power of a straight right, but it has a definite place in your arsenal and all the real good boxers, seemed to have a good jab, good hook good straight etc...there of course are always exceptions, but as the coach says do this then if something comes up....that will be ultimately your style...look at how many try to imitate and can't quite pull it off...gotta in the end find your own path and be open to it.

I had neglected my right hook for a long time. But with my shoulder my straight right is like an overhand anyway.

Really,when I do spar or box anymore thats my fave shot,it hooks in best with hip snap,so its the easiest shot to cause damage with

From the years of practice I've found my big one is the LH, so I always try set that one up.

Mind you, you need a right h if you're going to try be a body puncher.

Originally trained in Philly style,I live to the body. I try to train my fighters in a more mixed style,but lets face it,when your in there,its survival,you go with what you know.

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally trained in Philly style,I live to the body. I try to train my fighters in a more mixed style,but lets face it,when your in there,its survival,you go with what you know.

Yeah, I was always a body puncher but trained myself out of it to an extent.
I should be getting some high quality sparring in the immediate future so we'll see how I adapt to that.

I make a point of not training my boxers that way,but I know myself,if Im hurt or worried,Im coming in,its just instinct. The little voice in my head says,come in,turn his ribs in to pate,he cant breathe he cant live.
Im not saying its allways great strategy,its just the first thing I think to do when Im in there if I take a good one

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I make a point of not training my boxers that way,but I know myself,if Im hurt or worried,Im coming in,its just instinct. The little voice in my head says,come in,turn his ribs in to pate,he cant breathe he cant live.
Im not saying its allways great strategy,its just the first thing I think to do when Im in there if I take a good one

I can relate.
If I'm in with a taller opponent or an opponent thats a swarmer and doesn't keep his elbows in I always have this sick temptation.
It's like a little devil in my mind
"He'll fall down you know, he'll grunt and moan and be hurt....He won't want to hit you again....just one go on!"

I like to throw a long right, let them block and leave it on their guard, instead of pulling my hand back into guard, I push forward bringing my chin in behind the hand whilst letting go the low left. Only woreks once a fight though.